If Musk is correct about these numbers, I can't wait to hear what the gripe is about this from this group.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...test-car-world
Jason
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If Musk is correct about these numbers, I can't wait to hear what the gripe is about this from this group.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...test-car-world
Jason
Nice, but as I miss the rumble of a Harley, I would miss the rumble of a high horsepower v8.
So has fuel cell technology just been abandoned? How long does one have to wait to charge the batteries after they are depleted? I like seeing technology improve, but let's face it, 620 mile range doesn't mean 620 I'm sure if taking advantage of the 0-60 times.:icon_wink: Pretty cool though. Having been used to the rather quiet nature and turbine like sound of our GL1800s , going electric is not a stretch, other than the range limitations.
https://i.imgur.com/yu3AOpL.jpg
:lolup: I love it....a Honda charging up a BMW.:icon_lol:
Now if ya got a lot to haul... Tesla just announced a new electric 18 wheeler to be on the market in a few years.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/17/tech...eal/index.html
Tesla unveiled its new semi-truck, which CEO Elon Musk said can go zero-to-60 in five seconds with an empty trailer. That's a figure usually associated with luxury sedans, not big trucks. With a full load, the truck can still reach that speed in 20 seconds, according to Musk, much faster than any diesel-powered truck.
https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content...nikola-one.jpg
I personally think Tesla executives are smoking to much funny stuff....Some of the top brass in the auto industry are suggesting that they will be out of business by 2019 as they are burning through way to much cash, battery technology is the same for the entire auto industry and the competition will get worse for them...They have no dealer network and a lot of negatives at this point..Just because their stock is high priced does not guarantee success...There cars are nice, but the average person cannot afford one in most cases. I guess we wait and see what the future brings, but for now, me and mine will stick with a good old internal combustion engine...My Fusion Sport is fast enough to get me trouble!!....Ride safe
They are far from being out of business.Just east of Reno NV they have built a 4.5 million sq ft facility that is 30% ramped up building batteries for there cars and new tech battery/solar units to tie in and aid residential power consumption.Forbes has said because of there new technology battery manufacturing prices for there batteries will drop and will be very competitive in a global market.In fact they just purchased another 1000 acres in the Tahoe industrial center to build another large factory-Speculation is that some of there new cars or who knows semis will be built there.I would not bet against Musk as he has spent a load of money but can see long range in terms of profit and technology.Plus he has brought thousands of good paying middle class jobs to our area.Were seeing true trickle down economics because of this with new jobs there is a need for new housing ect.Real boom here in Northern Nevada and the Tesla projects started it all.Google,Amazon,Walmart distribution and the worlds largest Cloud called Switch which backs data information world wide are all in the same Industrial center now.Projected jobs to reach 40-50 thousand over the next ten years.
Maybe so, maybe not.....Pure speculation on Musk's part for now and only time will tell....I hope he brings jobs and etc. but some of the best intentions fail....I wish them luck and at my age don't really care as by the time all this electric stuff is available in the market place I doubt I will have much interest...I am for technology and progress for the world as my 16 Grandkids will live in it, but for now I will stick with what I think is best for me....Regards
I'm not sure I'd consider the Tesla's technology to be more sustainable considering the energy to power the vehicles comes from the same place as our current vehicles. Unless we start building nukes they are still powered by petrochemicals.
But should they be forced to do so against their will ? That is the question.
BHO's list of faltering or bankrupt taxpayer funded green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
Yup! More government spending our taxes down the tube. Here in the mid-west, we have many "corn ethanol" plants, for the gas that rots engine components. These plants would mostly all be bankrupt, without government subsities. And to top that off, they use a gallon of fresh water in the manufacturing process, for each gallon of ethanol. What a waste.
I'm not sure, Ths61, but maybe? Don't people often have to be forced to do healthy things against their natural inclinations for the greater good? That's why laws are necessary. It's unfortunate that our natural inclinations don't all lead to the healthiest outcomes, but it seems like that's often the reality of human nature.
Jason
Solar Power sounds good. How ever, producing the batteries, is not so good to the enviornment, or to people. And when these battery operated vehicles crash, and they do, burning and or exploding batteries really sucks to the rescue personel, and the vehicle recovery people. And where are we putting these damaged, leaking "super batteries"?
Like Willtill, I feel what some perceive as healthy, may be unhealthy to me; as it relates to the end game.
These complaints sound pretty antiquated. You could almost substitute the same arguments from the time we went from horse drawn carriages to automobiles. "They're so dangerous. I don't trust the technology. When they crash gas is highly flammable and can explode." It sounds like garden variety resistance to change without much reason.
Jason
In this case it is a scam, as well as others. The taxpayers are being ripped off and the politicians are paying kickbacks to their pals by stealing from the people they are suppose to serve. Same goes for BHONoCare. The already rich insurance companies have doubled their profits "for the good of all". It is a big con game and some people are too gullible to see what they are doing, "for the good of all". If the company can't stand on its own merits, it should fail. You could sell arsenic "for the good of all people" as long as the masses are forced to pay for it until there are no more masses to pay for it.
People are starting to realize that solar is a scam and have stopped renting/leasing/2nd/3rd mortgaging it. Now that they can't sell it, they are starting to try and offer DIY kits and schools to sell the crap.
BHO's Solindra scam was such an obvious kickback to his big donors that he actually changed the bankruptcy payout laws at the same time so his cronies would get paid out first and the shareholders would get screwed.
Elan Musk is playing the same game. He has never met a taxpayer he didn't like. We are paying for his developments and then funding the rich to buy his $100,000 cars that have the same carbon footprint as gasoline vehicles when you consider the entire manufacturing process. The middle class can't afford them because they are being forced to pay the rich to buy them.
Well, plenty of actual crash videos on line, and fire dept test crashes, showing the difficulties of putting out these type fires. Firefighters must wear masks and respirators. Some of the chemicals in the electric fires cannot be extinguished with water, must use special foams, then must call in Haz-Mat teams for final cleaning of crash sites, etc. That's not "garden variety" resistance. I'm not against progress, but these are real issues.
Musk released all Tesla patents to the general public so that other car makers can also make lower emissions vehicles. I don't believe he's scamming anybody. I think he's genuinely trying to make a positive impact on the planet. And given how entrenched the oil and gas industry is, and how much less efficient it is by comparison, I think we should be adapting towards electric by whatever mechanisms necessary, especially when it will eventually be net cheaper anyway, and MUCH better for the planet.
Jason
Read the article published today by Barrons..It pretty much tells it like it is and I totally tend to agree...The major players in the automobile industry, Mercedes. BMW, Ford, GM, Toyota, Volkswagen, etc. will crush Tesla's efforts very soon..Tesla is burning way to much cash, has to many challenges in the future, does not have enough production to make a dent in the industry, etc. etc. Musk is a typical "BS" artist and when he loses taxpayer support and other incentives...Goodbye!!...Most other car makers already have electric cars, self driving cars, and battery technology that matches that of Tesla, better dealer networks, and cars that many can afford...The "big-rig" concept for over the road driving is a joke...Ask most truckers about this monster....Not against improving technology and future advances, just a little tired of government/tax payer money going to support this guy!!!....JMHO and ride safe
I'm not saying there aren't new adaptations required for electric, jm21. I'm just saying that's always the case with every new thing. Just imagine yourself as a horse drawn carriage passenger who saw your first automobile fire on a road. You'd probably think it was pretty dramatic, and much more dangerous than a carriage, and that would never happen with a carriage. And you'd be right. But would that have been a good enough reason to stem progress? I don't think so then or now.
Jason
Musk's profit, company and pseudo-philanthropy will end the same day the mandatory taxpayer funding is removed.
Elon Musk's empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in taxpayer subsidies
It is very easy to "make" a few million when you are GIVEN BILLION$$$.
Opus, I'll read the article per your suggestion. And I think some of your observations have merit. The production bottlenecks are a definite problem, and if he has trouble with his lower end model selling, I agree with you that could be a big problem for his business. But if other automakers end up swallowing him up, then it will partially be with the help of his technology through his released patents that they do so. Calling him a BS artist might be one of the biggest underestimations I've seen. He literally built the first ever reusable rocket with his company space x. Interesting dude. You should read his Wiki.
Jason
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Can someone please educate me ....
How is electricity produced? Coal, Oil, CNG, Nuclear, Hydro power... etc etc etc
The fossil fuels are still being used to recharge these vehicles indirectly, are they not?
The need for additional Electric Charging Stations versus existing Gasoline Stations is only shifting the source of energy.
So now the CO2 carbon footprint is concentrated to Electricity producing plants and their neighborhoods?
What am I missing ?
It is a scam. The sales pitch is something for nothing. A perpetual motion machine which doesn't exist. Hide the carbon footprints in 3rd world countries and behind closed doors.
Elon Musk pulled out of Trump's counsel when Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Accord. Musk did so because he knew it would impact his cash cow, forcing taxpayers to pay for the expensive slight of hand called green energy scams.
Green energy scams made Al Gore rich and he doesn't even use solar on his beach side mansion that will soon be underwater according to his melting icecap/rising sea level scare tactics.
https://image.ibb.co/mibSv6/image_123.jpg
It is never very long in any discussion about the health of the planet when Al Gore is brought up. I have never seen the Al Gore documentaries, and I don't care too much about unwinding other people's scams or conspiracy theories. I get my information from peer reviewed research. I've gone into detail about the facts concerning climate at length on another thread here.
I welcome a real conversation about the data and the peer reviewed research. But I just can't bring myself to care too much about Al Gore.
Jason
Failing to recognize Al Gore is analogous to being an ostrich with its head in the sand. Al Gore is the poster child of green energy. It is all about $$$ and hypocracy. Forcing money out of the masses is the way to get rich in green energy. Al Gore and Elon Musk are riding the same fraudulent gravy train. A viable product and technology will stand on its own with willing private investors. When you have to steal from the masses to create an illusion of success, that is fraud. You would think with all of his millions he scammed off of green energy, he could afford solar panels to at least give the illusion he believes in what he is hocking.
Nice deflection, but I never said he was a climate scientist. Neither is Bill Nye. I said he was a green energy/carbon footprint scam artist, huckster using the government to rob the taxpayers. Elon Musk is riding the same gravy train for the same reasons. Politicians use it to fund kickbacks. Globalists use it to control the flow of $$$ resources internationally.
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Exactly. A scam. Just like all those wind farms you see. The requirements to manufacture and install these wind mills requires energy that these wind mills will never even come close to recouping over their life span. It just makes certain people "feel" good.
I find it naive/hypocritical that "greenies" promote wind energy on one hand while screaming about killing endangered species on the other, but never make the connection that wind farms are giant puree machines slaughtering birds by the thousands including endangered species. Most people would be fined and/or imprisoned for killing those endangered birds but wind farms get a pass and the greenies look the other way.
LOL. So you think trying to steer a conversation about about climate science away from a politician and back toward an actual climate scientist is a deflection?
That is flatly backwards, ths61. And who said anything about Bill Nye? Also NOT a climate scientist. Talk about a deflection.
Do you have any debate about an actual climate scientist, peer reviewed and published in the field of climate science? Because to my mind, that would be much more relevant than trying to rely on a straw man like a politician or a children's entertainer.
Jason