Tough Bike...

Under the heading, "It could have been worse" I'm now awaiting the adjuster's assessment.

Senior citizen failed to see me stopped in the road with my left turn signal on at an T-intersection waiting for on-coming traffic to clear and rear-ended the F6B. The bike and I got punted a good 10 feet before it landed right side down on the shoulder with me departing the bike on the secondary impact and landing in the road.

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I was really liking the little black Goldwing and have mixed feelings on whether to hope it's repairable or to hope for a total write-off. I've still got two Harley's in the garage so I'm not without -- not that I can ride at the moment with a fractured thumb and a pile of pills to take for a few days -- but the F6B was proving to be the perfect commuter bike.

Sad thing is, it was one of the Honda of Russellville Signature Editions with an all-gloss black paint job. About 1/2 of those custom painted panels are toast. But, it may be a moot point as the rear tire/wheel took the brunt of the impact and that can't be good.

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Hope you're OK ???

Man... ya gotta watch you six all of the time and be prepared to scoot outta the way... if you can. Hope you get your bike fixed and/or replaced with no issue.

They really need to sharpen up driving tests for the elderly. As you get older... your senses start to fail you. :icon_frown:

Hope you are OK and get a brand new 2016 for your troubles. Glad you were not on a lightweight bike.

Glad your OK. Hope the insurance co, doesn't try to screw you.

Tough Rider too by the sounds of it. Good luck with getting the bike sorted out but as you know you are lucky to survive with those injuries. Go easy for the next few days.

Had the same thing happen to me about 7 weeks ago except I wasn't on the bike. Their insurance was great but Mother Honda was not. The dealer would order parts (mostly Tupperware), Honda would indicate that none were in stock and unknown dates for a fill. At the same time, other dealers had the same part at the same price on ebay! I finally raised holy hell and Voila! the parts just came in. The bike was tied up for 7 weeks during great driving weather. Now I'm freezing my nuts off trying to get some miles on it.

Glad you're all right and hope your repair is quick and painless.

Glad that you were not badly injured or worse.
Question. Did you have any optional rear lighting or simply stock?
I always worry about being seen at any stop.

Hope you heal fast and that the insurance adjuster is Santa.

Bill

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Question. Did you have any optional rear lighting or simply stock?

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Just stock; haven't had time to get much beyond sorting out the basic's after buying it back in late August as we picked up new Harley shortly thereafter that's taken a lot of time and resources to sort out.

I've typically switched all of my motorcycle tail lights and turn-signals to running lights with LEDs and really wish I'd done that with this bike... not that it would have done any good with this particular collision. But, in general, I'm a huge fan of MotoLights and LEDs vs. incandescent bulbs.

The very senior motorist who hit me freely admitted -- knowingly or not -- that she shouldn't have been driving and will be giving it up after this accident.

Hopefully, I'll still have an F6B in the garage after all of the dust settles and will upgrade the rear lighting: it's pretty sparse compared to my CVO and Ultra. It was a really, really great machine... perhaps one of the most enjoyable bikes I've had since my 1998 Honda CBR1100XX.


P.S. And to all, thanks for the well-wishes. It could have been much worse so I'm very thankful that I was able to jump up and have a hissy fit.

Dang man, I hate to hear that but I am glad you are okay. Any idea how fast she was going when she hit you?

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Dang man, I hate to hear that but I am glad you are okay. Any idea how fast she was going when she hit you?

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She probably had it down to about 15 mph at the point of impact, with the nose of the car down low enough to impact below the rear deck lid with the left front corner of her bumper vs. straight on.

Glad you're ok! Bike can be fixed/replaced. They are surprisingly tough tho!



Mike

Mark,,

Aw man, sorry to hear that.
As someone a lot wiser (and presumably wiser) than me said, any crash you walk away from is a good one.
Glad you are ok.
Being nailed from behind just seems patently unfair.:icon_frown:

It always grieves me to see a wrecked bike especially our F6B. As has been said thankfully she wasn't charging down the road,glad you are ok through all that.

Yes, she's looked better...

Still waiting to hear the initial read from the adjuster on write-off vs. repair.

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Thankfully, I've got a couple spares at home :icon_wink:, but can't ride anything for a few weeks as my left hand is still sporting a brace for a possible scaphoid fracture, never mind a lot of strained muscles.

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THAT just makes me want to cry. :icon_frown:

Good looking steeds in that garage.
Glad to hear you aren’t too busted up.
Getting rear ended has always been my greatest fear.
Hope you heal up fast and the Insurance doesn’t give you the runaround.

Was there any front or side plastic damage other then the rear bags ??? Pictures of the front ??? Got a better picture of that right valve cover ... any oil leaks ???

I too am glad you are not hurt. I've learned at stops to sit and watch my mirrors for rear-enders. It also helps to flash my brake light more then once.

I was hit while waiting to turn right at a red light. I was waiting for a truck to get thru the intersection from my left when a senior citizen turned left in front of the big obvious truck. She also went thru a red turn arrow. I found myself looking at a car spinning towards me. Only one thought went thru my head as the car came: Don't get hit, jump onto the little car. I was unhurt. My old Burgman was totaled. The driver was meds that doped her up and she was 78. She admitted to the paramedic that she didn't want to drive that day because she wasn't feeling well. Found out later she had a stroke several months before but nobody in the family wanted to challenge her driving.

It confirmed to me that I did the right thing 10 years ago when I took my Dad's keys away from him and sold the car when was 83. As hard as that conversation was, it would have been worse if I hadn't.

I find this an incredibly hard issue. I don't think everyone who hits a certain age should lose that license. My father and mother in laws are both well into their 80s, but both of them are great drivers. They actually volunteer to drive handicapped and elderly around. And honestly, I don't know that I trust our state governments to make this decision. On what basis should someone lose their license? My dad would have had no trouble with the vision test and probably could have passed the simple road test North Carolina had. But I could not trust him. He'd backed into several things, would go thru lights and seemed to get lost easily. Only the people that know him well knew it.

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Was there any front or side plastic damage other then the rear bags ??? Pictures of the front ??? Got a better picture of that right valve cover ... any oil leaks ???

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Right side cover was busted in half, the right upper cowl is cracked, right mirror housing is beat up, lower front cowl is beat-up, left radiator cowl got nicked-up left saddle bag/rear cover's faster holes are damaged. Right valve cover looks to be beat up but crash bars did their thing.

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Right side cover was busted in half, the right upper cowl is cracked, right mirror housing is beat up, lower front cowl is beat-up, left radiator cowl got nicked-up left saddle bag/rear cover's faster holes are damaged. Right valve cover looks to be beat up but crash bars did their thing.

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Pictures that show all the damage would help. Any engine noise when running ??? Your b might be a total :icon_frown:

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Pictures that show all the damage would help. Any engine noise when running ??? Your b might be a total :icon_frown:

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Why do you need pictures of all the damage? He has told what was damaged and it sounds like it will be a total loss.

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Pictures that show all the damage would help. Any engine noise when running ??? Your b might be a total :icon_frown:

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The adjuster will do his thing and throw up some numbers. If they total it, fine. If they don't, then I'll send it over to a trusted Honda dealer to dive into. My guess is, they'll come up with a different estimate and then the insurance adjuster and the dealer's service advisor / insurance specialist will have to reconcile the differences and figure out where to go from there.

Me, I'm just a spectator until they make me an offer that I'm willing to accept. And, since I've got other motorcycles to ride once I'm cleared to ride again, I'm not exactly motivated to accept a bad offer.

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Why do you need pictures of all the damage? He has told what was damaged and it sounds like it will be a total loss.

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Hopefully it's either a total loss, and he can wash his hands from it, or all the plastic, is removed for a proper inspection of all the subframes (Honda calls them "stays"), and all damage becomes part of the repair estimate prior to any repairs. If not inspected correctly, other damage is sometimes not discovered until much later.

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The adjuster will do his thing and throw up some numbers. If they total it, fine. If they don't, then I'll send it over to a trusted Honda dealer to dive into. My guess is, they'll come up with a different estimate and then the insurance adjuster and the dealer's service advisor / insurance specialist will have to reconcile the differences and figure out where to go from there.

Me, I'm just a spectator until they make me an offer that I'm willing to accept. And, since I've got other motorcycles to ride once I'm cleared to ride again, I'm not exactly motivated to accept a bad offer.

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That's pretty much what happens. Often the adjuster wants to write a check on the spot for any damage that is obvious. Everything else is "show me" and we'll settle up then. Because the mirror is damaged, its sub-frame that it mounts to could be damaged too. Sometime's the entire cowl, windshield, visor, and meter cluster has to be removed to see further damage. Obviously the rear subframe between the bags will need replaced. The valve cover should be removed and the cam, gear, chain, and cam cover be inspected for damage. If there is any cam cover damage, the head will need replaced. If the forward exhaust shield is damaged, it should be removed to inspect the header. Sometimes headers pipes get pushed in. Also, verify that the ignition still locks the bars. Sometimes a steering head gets tweeted. It's the unseen stuff that can easily push a repair into the "total" category.

With modern power sports equipment, it doesn't take much to do a lot of expensive damage.

I hit a rock on a trail with one of my Yamaha sleds...hardly even noticed it, not a large impact...but it got the subframe just right and tweaked it.

I first noticed a problem with trouble going into reverse gear. The mechanism (lever that is pulled out and over) would not keep it in gear; it would grind and pop out of gear.

Brought it to the shop and the labor just devastated the estimate - over 40 hours worth of work to get that subframe replaced and there's no telling what other damage had occurred since I was making it incrementally worse by riding it, not knowing the sled was severely damaged from the rock.

My insurance company stepped up and totaled it for me so I could get a replacement machine quickly. I had a $9200 check in my hand by mid-week.

Finally, a preliminary estimate.... Just a few bucks under $11k

They'll let me know Monday if it's deemed "repairable" or "write-off".

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Finally, a preliminary estimate.... Just a few bucks under $11k

They'll let me know Monday if it's deemed "repairable" or "write-off".

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:icon_rolleyes:$11K in damages:yikes:....that's a "write-off" in my book and bet the insurance company will find the same.

What year is the bike?

June of 2016 when mine was totaled, the shop doing the estimate stopped at $10,000. Market value at that time was $11,800. Blue book was $14,500. I would suspect that a year and a half later and seeing people struggling to sell at the low sub $10,000 mark it is going to salvage.

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What year is the bike?

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2013 with 12k miles. It is one of the Honda of Russellville "Signature Series" bikes with an all gloss graphite black paint job (i.e., they repainted the matte panels) in excellent condition. I just acquired it in late August with 11,000 miles on the clock and once I pulled it apart, detailed it and squared it away it looked like a new bike. Best riding motorcycle I've ever owned.

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June of 2016 when mine was totaled, the shop doing the estimate stopped at $10,000. Market value at that time was $11,800. Blue book was $14,500. I would suspect that a year and a half later and seeing people struggling to sell at the low sub $10,000 mark it is going to salvage.

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Current values... based on expected mileage of 23,000. If it was all cosmetic, I'd have wanted to keep the bike. However, with the angle and force of the impact on the rear wheel / shaft assembly, it's not a bike I'd want to own unless all of that was replaced... and perhaps that's why the number is as big as it is. Won't know until I see the details. But, I'm expecting that I'll get a buy-out offer for the bike + ad valorem bump-up (it's a Georgia thing). If it makes me whole, I'm good.

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State Farm goes by what the vehicle is being sold for on the used market in Mn. Not Kelly book value. I hope you can get trade value from your insurance co. or better.
Edit: kbb trade valve for the Minneapolis area is $10,150. If you can verify the extras above what is factory you may gain some $. I was able nickel & dime to the tune of $1,300 for my extras. Every bike I’ve owned I’ve had a 3 ring note book. Told the wife if I have an accident and don’t make it to use the note book. Also told her if she looked in it she’d be up set.ðŸ¤-

It depends on the insurance company, but many will total at 80% of it's estimated value. Basically, for them to fix it means that they are putting all that money out to possibly find out there is unforeseen damage with the frame and when they get it all done, it does not track true and pulls severely to the left ... now what ???

Or, they can hand you a check for its value, sell it as a total for say $5,000, and wash their hands of it. This way they are only out the difference between the value and what they gave you and what they sold the wreck bike for. Often the later is a better option for all.

Weird how insurance works.

Completely unrelated to motorcycles... I had a Nissan truck when stationed ion Germany; got T-boned by another vehicle. My truck's frame was bent and damaged heavily.

The German insurance company gave me the option of fixing it or accepting a total loss payout. I loved that little truck and asked them to repair it; which they did. The repair bill cost more than what the truck was worth. :shock:

$13,800 Plus repayment of Ad Valorem taxes.

Seemed fair to me and made me whole on the bike.

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$13,800 Plus repayment of Ad Valorem taxes.

Seemed fair to me and made me whole on the bike.

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Not bad!!! What you gonna do now?

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Not bad!!! What you gonna do now?

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Not sure. Probably not going to run out and replace it until I sell off what is now an extra Harley touring bike and see what it's like to have just one bike for a while.

It's been 5 years since there were only two bikes in the stable., 10 since there was just one.

Definitely rethinking resuming the daily commute by bike. I've done that for 17 years and have been hit 4 times and lost 2 bikes ss a result. Drivers are worse than ever these days so not sure the juice is still worth the squeeze this close to retirement.

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Not sure. Probably not going to run out and replace it until I sell off what is now an extra Harley touring bike and see what it's like to have just one bike for a while.

It's been 5 years since there were only two bikes in the stable., 10 since there was just one.

Definitely rethinking resuming the daily commute by bike. I've done that for 17 years and have been hit 4 times and lost 2 bikes ss a result. Drivers are worse than ever these days so not sure the juice is still worth the squeeze this close to retirement.

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Can’t say that I blame you. If I had been hit 4 Times, I would probably call it quits before my luck runs out. Have you ever been hit on the bicycle?

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Not sure. Probably not going to run out and replace it until I sell off what is now an extra Harley touring bike and see what it's like to have just one bike for a while.

It's been 5 years since there were only two bikes in the stable., 10 since there was just one.

Definitely rethinking resuming the daily commute by bike. I've done that for 17 years and have been hit 4 times and lost 2 bikes ss a result. Drivers are worse than ever these days so not sure the juice is still worth the squeeze this close to retirement.

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You apparently were a cat in a previous life, and that "9 lives" charm carried over to your present earthly being. :shhh:

You have 5 lives left. Use 'em :icon_cool:

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Can’t say that I blame you. If I had been hit 4 Times, I would probably call it quits before my luck runs out. Have you ever been hit on the bicycle?

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It's the commute thing that's giving me pause; just too many distracted, aggressive and downright poor motorists out there anymore. Yes, back when I rode a bicycle to college and during lunch breaks at work I had a couple encounters. Lots of miles on two wheels in congested, urban areas is definitely more risky than the open road. But, then again, the collisions all seem to occur at slower speeds so there is a trade-off. I look at these brushes of bad luck like Earthquakes: I'd rather have a few little ones than the big one. Knock on wood.

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You apparently were a cat in a previous life, and that "9 lives" charm carried over to your present earthly being. :shhh: You have 5 lives left. Use 'em :icon_cool:

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Yeah, well... I'm not giving up motorcycles or bicycles. But, as I said, the commute thing: probably should have kept the S2000 in the stable!