NFL sucks!

[taxfree4]

The difference is I'm not required to have ID on me. If a uniformed officer asks me to identify myself and I give him my name but don't have my ID on me he may or may not have an issue with that. He could very well want to follow me home to get my ID to prove who I am, but I'm not required to carry ID with me while walking my dog. Now if I'm doing any number of other things such as driving or hunting etc...I am required to have ID on me.
I'm not from New York so I guess I'd have issues there if they require you carry ID at all times.

Again your ignorance is blaring, if you are issued a state ID then you are required to have it on you. A cop doesn't have the time to follow you home (hysterical). You'd better learn who you are and what you are. As a resident (res- meaning property ident- identifying) of the Peoples Republic of Washington State it would be wise to identify the property when the LEO asks you for it. Telling him who you are is heresay and you would lose every time in court after they drag your ass in, rightly so. You are property of the state since your birth, you are walking on the state's property and if an agent of the state, a cop, asks you to identify yourself it would be wise to do it. If you do walk your dog and are asked to produce ID please film it as I want to see the cop walk you home to get it or don't you carry your phone on you either.

[3Chief]

Again your ignorance is blaring, if you are issued a state ID then you are required to have it on you. A cop doesn't have the time to follow you home (hysterical). You'd better learn who you are and what you are. As a resident (res- meaning property ident- identifying) of the Peoples Republic of Washington State it would be wise to identify the property when the LEO asks you for it. Telling him who you are is heresay and you would lose every time in court after they drag your ass in, rightly so. You are property of the state since your birth, you are walking on the state's property and if an agent of the state, a cop, asks you to identify yourself it would be wise to do it. If you do walk your dog and are asked to produce ID please film it as I want to see the cop walk you home to get it or don't you carry your phone on you either.

I may very well be ignorant of some nuance of the law, but then again if I'm minding my own business and walking my dog in the vicinity of my home the LEO in question would have no probable cause to stop me. In my state at least, to my knowledge. I've done a great many things without having my ID and I've had interactions with LEO's and it's never been an issue. Like others have said be polite, respectful but mostly be honest. If there truly is an issue the LEO in question may very well detain me until my identity can be verified. It's never happened to me, however we know it's happened to many others. Either way my ignorance of the nuances surrounding laws governing whether or not I must carry ID at all times pales in comparison to your arrogance in assuming that the statutes governing those laws are the same from municipality to municipality. And no, it's 50/50 whether or not I'd have my phone on me however it wouldn't matter as I don't have a camera on my phone.

[taxfree4]

I may very well be ignorant of some nuance of the law, but then again if I'm minding my own business and walking my dog in the vicinity of my home the LEO in question would have no probable cause to stop me. In my state at least, to my knowledge. I've done a great many things without having my ID and I've had interactions with LEO's and it's never been an issue. Like others have said be polite, respectful but mostly be honest. If there truly is an issue the LEO in question may very well detain me until my identity can be verified. It's never happened to me, however we know it's happened to many others. Either way my ignorance of the nuances surrounding laws governing whether or not I must carry ID at all times pales in comparison to your arrogance in assuming that the statutes governing those laws are the same from municipality to municipality. And no, it's 50/50 whether or not I'd have my phone on me however it wouldn't matter as I don't have a camera on my phone.

Ignorance of the law is never a defense nor an excuse. How else is the officer going to know if you are in the vicinity of your home if he can't identify where you live? He's going to take your word for it? You answered your own question.

[dadeo]

Ignorance of the law is never a defense nor an excuse. How else is the officer going to know if you are in the vicinity of your home if he can't identify where you live? He's going to take your word for it? You answered your own question.

The bottom line here is that an LEO must have a reasonable reason for bothering you.

Here is what I know, thanks to my Dad who was an attorney for years in crime ridden Syracuse NY. He always told us that we should carry ID when out, but it is not required by law for most situations - - - like if you are just out walking the dog. There are obvious exceptions: buying or carrying alcohol; operating a vehicle on public waterways, lands or roads; hunting and fishing; carrying a gun; voting (recently); etc.

He told us that you SHOULD ALWAYS treat an LEO with respect and COURTESY. He also said that we had to identify ourselves to an LEO when asked. But that we had the right to see the LEO's own badge/ID before showing or telling them our own name and address. This establishes that the person is indeed an LEO (yes, some wackos like to impersonate LEOs ). Security guards should be treated the same as LEOs, despite that in many states they have no right to do more than call an LEO.

He taught that (thanks to the 5th Amendment) we have the right (and maybe even the responsibility) to shut the hell up. This is usually where these situations go wrong, when some idiot thinks it's a good idea to tell the LEO where to go/get off/how to do their job (stupid). Dad's advice was to answer factual questions about what we've seen or doing, but that we have to right to decline to answer questions that are personal, not relevant, or accusatory.

Dad was a WW2 Vet who graduated from Harvard University on the GI bill in 1948. He did three years of law school in less than 2 years. It wasn't until I was in my late teens before I realized how remarkable this was. He was the smartest person I think I have ever meet. His strategy for dealing with LEOs was given to me over 40 years ago, and it has served me quite well in many, many interactions with LEOs. He counciled SU students, faculty and small businesses for 40 years....

So anything that you've got to say on this subject that contradicts my Dad's advice means nothing...

Sorry.

[willtill]

The bottom line here is that an LEO must have a reasonable reason for bothering you.

Here is what I know, thanks to my Dad who was an attorney for years in crime ridden Syracuse NY. He always told us that we should carry ID when out, but it is not required by law for most situations - - - like if you are just out walking the dog. There are obvious exceptions: buying or carrying alcohol; operating a vehicle on public waterways, lands or roads; hunting and fishing; carrying a gun; voting (recently); etc.

He told us that you SHOULD ALWAYS treat an LEO with respect and COURTESY. He also said that we had to identify ourselves to an LEO when asked. But that we had the right to see the LEO's own badge/ID before showing or telling them our own name and address. This establishes that the person is indeed an LEO (yes, some wackos like to impersonate LEOs ). Security guards should be treated the same as LEOs, despite that in many states they have no right to do more than call an LEO.

He taught that (thanks to the 5th Amendment) we have the right (and maybe even the responsibility) to shut the hell up. This is usually where these situations go wrong, when some idiot thinks it's a good idea to tell the LEO where to go/get off/how to do their job (stupid). Dad's advice was to answer factual questions about what we've seen or doing, but that we have to right to decline to answer questions that are personal, not relevant, or accusatory.

Dad was a WW2 Vet who graduated from Harvard University on the GI bill in 1948. He did three years of law school in less than 2 years. It wasn't until I was in my late teens before I realized how remarkable this was. He was the smartest person I think I have ever meet. His strategy for dealing with LEOs was given to me over 40 years ago, and it has served me quite well in many, many interactions with LEOs. He counciled SU students, faculty and small businesses for 40 years....

So anything that you've got to say on this subject that contradicts my Dad's advice means nothing...

Sorry.

I have no earthly idea what you have been bitching about all along then. What you just posted above; is what most of us are in agreement with.

Go for a ride. Get your knee's in the wind. You need it.

Seriously.

[dadeo]

I have no earthly idea what you have been bitching about all along then. What you just posted above; is what most of us are in agreement with.

Go for a ride. Get your knee's in the wind. You need it.

Seriously.

Happy to see that you don't agree with the poster that claimed that carrying an ID at all times was required by law.

Back on bike subject...
Going for a ride today in the rain on the way home.....

Did you see that the Rockville Honda dealer is "consolidating" at its Crofton store because it's building was sold.
www.hondaofcrofton.com

Also noticed that both places rate a 3 on Yelp. I am not surprised.

[willtill]

Happy to see that you don't agree with the poster that claimed that carrying an ID at all times was required by law.

Back on bike subject...
Going for a ride today in the rain on the way home.....

Did you see that the Rockville Honda dealer is "consolidating" at its Crofton store because it's building was sold.
www.hondaofcrofton.com

Also noticed that both places rate a 3 on Yelp. I am not surprised.

No, I did not But the rating on Yelp does not surprise me at all.

They are not a favorite dealer of mine... caused damage to a set of Hard Chrome pipes I had them install when I bought my VTX from them back in 2007, and then scratched up one of the wheels pretty good when they changed a tire on the front wheel when I brought it in to them... AND THEN had to bring the wheel back to them to re-balance since they screwed that up as well Ain't been back since for any service work... now it's professionally done by myself...

And they are one of the "better" dealers here

[taxfree4]

The bottom line here is that an LEO must have a reasonable reason for bothering you.

Here is what I know, thanks to my Dad who was an attorney for years in crime ridden Syracuse NY. He always told us that we should carry ID when out, but it is not required by law for most situations - - - like if you are just out walking the dog. There are obvious exceptions: buying or carrying alcohol; operating a vehicle on public waterways, lands or roads; hunting and fishing; carrying a gun; voting (recently); etc.

He told us that you SHOULD ALWAYS treat an LEO with respect and COURTESY. He also said that we had to identify ourselves to an LEO when asked. But that we had the right to see the LEO's own badge/ID before showing or telling them our own name and address. This establishes that the person is indeed an LEO (yes, some wackos like to impersonate LEOs ). Security guards should be treated the same as LEOs, despite that in many states they have no right to do more than call an LEO.

He taught that (thanks to the 5th Amendment) we have the right (and maybe even the responsibility) to shut the hell up. This is usually where these situations go wrong, when some idiot thinks it's a good idea to tell the LEO where to go/get off/how to do their job (stupid). Dad's advice was to answer factual questions about what we've seen or doing, but that we have to right to decline to answer questions that are personal, not relevant, or accusatory.

Dad was a WW2 Vet who graduated from Harvard University on the GI bill in 1948. He did three years of law school in less than 2 years. It wasn't until I was in my late teens before I realized how remarkable this was. He was the smartest person I think I have ever meet. His strategy for dealing with LEOs was given to me over 40 years ago, and it has served me quite well in many, many interactions with LEOs. He counciled SU students, faculty and small businesses for 40 years....

So anything that you've got to say on this subject that contradicts my Dad's advice means nothing...

Sorry.

I'll say it again, in Stop and ID states, and NY is, whether you're walking your dog, petting your pussy, picking your nose when an officer asks you for ID and you refuse it is a crime and you will be detained. The caveat is there must be a suspicion of criminal activity so being that in any given area anywhere there are pending robberies, rapes, burglaries etc. with suspects that haven't been caught where the perps may fit your description, there's your suspicion. Now if you open your big mouth as it looks like you're the guy that tells them "I'm not showing you my ID, and BTW I pay your salary". Then combined with your non cooperation, against your father's advice, and further refusal to provide ID that's grounds for taking you in. You see the law is written for them not you and as your father knows we are under Public Policy so that gives the judge tremendous latitude. So if you think not carrying ID is the hill you want to die on, be my guest you will lose every single time and keep a lawyer on retainer. There is no law requiring you to pay an Income Tax or Withholding, and I did it for years hence the username, yet when you refuse the law exists and you are guilty, same here. Millions of people are fined, their pay garnished, imprisoned and property seized for non payment. Do you stand outside the IRS and say I'm not paying because I'm not required?

[willtill]

Uff... just carry friggin ID... enough!

[taxfree4]

Uff... just carry friggin ID... enough!

Did you put those TBR's on