NFL sucks!

[willtill]

The bottom line here is that an LEO must have a reasonable reason for bothering you.

Here is what I know, thanks to my Dad who was an attorney for years in crime ridden Syracuse NY. He always told us that we should carry ID when out, but it is not required by law for most situations - - - like if you are just out walking the dog. There are obvious exceptions: buying or carrying alcohol; operating a vehicle on public waterways, lands or roads; hunting and fishing; carrying a gun; voting (recently); etc.

He told us that you SHOULD ALWAYS treat an LEO with respect and COURTESY. He also said that we had to identify ourselves to an LEO when asked. But that we had the right to see the LEO's own badge/ID before showing or telling them our own name and address. This establishes that the person is indeed an LEO (yes, some wackos like to impersonate LEOs ). Security guards should be treated the same as LEOs, despite that in many states they have no right to do more than call an LEO.

He taught that (thanks to the 5th Amendment) we have the right (and maybe even the responsibility) to shut the hell up. This is usually where these situations go wrong, when some idiot thinks it's a good idea to tell the LEO where to go/get off/how to do their job (stupid). Dad's advice was to answer factual questions about what we've seen or doing, but that we have to right to decline to answer questions that are personal, not relevant, or accusatory.

Dad was a WW2 Vet who graduated from Harvard University on the GI bill in 1948. He did three years of law school in less than 2 years. It wasn't until I was in my late teens before I realized how remarkable this was. He was the smartest person I think I have ever meet. His strategy for dealing with LEOs was given to me over 40 years ago, and it has served me quite well in many, many interactions with LEOs. He counciled SU students, faculty and small businesses for 40 years....

So anything that you've got to say on this subject that contradicts my Dad's advice means nothing...

Sorry.

I have no earthly idea what you have been bitching about all along then. What you just posted above; is what most of us are in agreement with.

Go for a ride. Get your knee's in the wind. You need it.

Seriously.

[dadeo]

I have no earthly idea what you have been bitching about all along then. What you just posted above; is what most of us are in agreement with.

Go for a ride. Get your knee's in the wind. You need it.

Seriously.

Happy to see that you don't agree with the poster that claimed that carrying an ID at all times was required by law.

Back on bike subject...
Going for a ride today in the rain on the way home.....

Did you see that the Rockville Honda dealer is "consolidating" at its Crofton store because it's building was sold.
www.hondaofcrofton.com

Also noticed that both places rate a 3 on Yelp. I am not surprised.

[willtill]

Happy to see that you don't agree with the poster that claimed that carrying an ID at all times was required by law.

Back on bike subject...
Going for a ride today in the rain on the way home.....

Did you see that the Rockville Honda dealer is "consolidating" at its Crofton store because it's building was sold.
www.hondaofcrofton.com

Also noticed that both places rate a 3 on Yelp. I am not surprised.

No, I did not But the rating on Yelp does not surprise me at all.

They are not a favorite dealer of mine... caused damage to a set of Hard Chrome pipes I had them install when I bought my VTX from them back in 2007, and then scratched up one of the wheels pretty good when they changed a tire on the front wheel when I brought it in to them... AND THEN had to bring the wheel back to them to re-balance since they screwed that up as well Ain't been back since for any service work... now it's professionally done by myself...

And they are one of the "better" dealers here