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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidk View Post
    It comes down to this:
    It used to be that you were told never to talk to strangers and never get into a stranger's car. Now, you are supposed to call a stranger and get in their car. (Uber)

    Socialism used to be the boogie man - think McCarthy hearings. Now, millennials are demanding socialism.

    Everything is ass-backwards in this country nowadays.
    You can bitch about everything in the state of this country...

    ...but it does come down to this:

    Adapt and overcome. On a grand scale it is not going to change.

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    Cool

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    * I always loved what I think is attributed to Maggi Thatcher about Socialism.
    It works until they run out of everybody else's money.
    I keep asking what the heck is this Fair Share thing that is thrown about.
    They keep yelling that the upper class should pay their Fair Share, but they never
    say what that is.
    And who is going to determine what that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortleg0521 View Post
    * I always loved what I think is attributed to Maggi Thatcher about Socialism.
    It works until they run out of everybody else's money.
    I keep asking what the heck is this Fair Share thing that is thrown about.
    They keep yelling that the upper class should pay their Fair Share, but they never
    say what that is.
    And who is going to determine what that is?
    A flat tax is where we should be at. For example; 10 percent of everyone's income. No deductions, no write-offs, period. Applicable to everyone, regardless of their wealth; or lack thereof...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidk View Post
    It comes down to this:
    It used to be that you were told never to talk to strangers and never get into a stranger's car. Now, you are supposed to call a stranger and get in their car. (Uber)

    Socialism used to be the boogie man - think McCarthy hearings. Now, millennials are demanding socialism.

    Everything is ass-backwards in this country nowadays.
    Lol, did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?

    Jason

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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    A flat tax is where we should be at. For example; 10 percent of everyone's income. No deductions, no write-offs, period. Applicable to everyone, regardless of their wealth; or lack thereof...
    Will,
    There can never be a flat tax because it would violate the apportionment provisions of the Constitution, Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4. Basically a direct tax by the government, as a flat tax would be, would have to be apportioned, Steve Forbes knew this as he's been blowing that horn for years. He just used it as a campaign pitch while his high priced lawyers knew it was BS. I got into debate years ago with one of his campaign managers while holding a copy of the Constitution in my hand and asked to point out where in the document does it allow a direct, unapportioned tax and he just took the booklet, threw it on the floor and walked away. The only Direct, unapportioned Tax you pay, in violation of the Constitution, is the Witholding Tax, however, your employer's way out of that is to say you "voluntarily" filled out your W-4.

    Don't get me wrong a flat tax would be fine with me, but, there should be a cap on the rate of increase. I would require not just a majority but a super majority to raise that rate. As we know the low life politicians spend $ faster than the Federal Reserve can print it but in order to get that tax implemented there would have to be a Constitutional Convention and we DON'T want that as they would use that for an excuse to eliminate the right to bear arms clause in the Bill of Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post


    Is Capitalism a bad thing in this country anymore?
    Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and make more through investments?
    Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and invest into a new business with hopes to generate more income?
    Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and donate them to others or a cause that you believe in?
    Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and keep them for your retirement?
    Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds from a existing business and invest into more marketing to increase the business and profits even more so?
    Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and splurge a little on yourself?
    Why do some have issues with capitalists, yet they indirectly benefit from similar capitalists?
    Is there a "magical" number that you feel is enough earnings for each individual in this country, IE a "natural threshold" and any earnings above such threshold should be heavily penalized?
    Should the Government penalize capitalists for succeeding, growing business, employing more people and making a profit?
    Is there anything wrong with having a goal of Peace, Harmony and earning a few dollars along the way through investments?
    Money is not everything however does it not make life easier for those that are recipients of generosity from Capitalists?
    Just wondering if Capitalism is no longer respected.

    Is it wrong to kill off a redundant product line that you are losing money on?

    Evidently to some...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Verismo View Post
    Lol, did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?

    Jason
    Why Owen Lattimore wasn't a Communist? What about Harry White? Or the over 2000 government employees in the government that lost their jobs as result of the hearings? The Venona intercepts which proved without a doubt that a number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies.
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    Think a few are confusing communism and socialism, they are not interchangeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verismo View Post
    I'm just going to assume you're a troll.

    Jason
    Why you say that Jason? You privy to some secret info no other US citizen has access to? Do you even know what "McCarthyism" is?
    Here let me help you out. "The term McCarthyism is applied to the persecution of innocent people using powerful but unproved allegations. It refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges of communist subversion and high treason in the U.S. federal government in 1950s, but I'm sure you knew that and that 99% of the charges were not true.

    Oh and your comment to Davidk's post "did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?" where in David's post did he say McCarthyism was the good old days? I read it as something that has changed in our society. There was a time when we knew Socialism and Communism was bad, but now some far left and quite a few little lefts believe Socialism is good for the USA. Are you of that belief?
    it is Okay to admit you are a leftist.... we are in America where you can be anything you want incluing a leftest opining the virtues of Socialism or a Communist and I would never hold it against you even if you were wrong.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
    McCarthyism has taken on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries. During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[2] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[3] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[4] or actionable,[5] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

    The most notable examples of McCarthyism include the speeches, investigations, and hearings of Senator McCarthy himself; the Hollywood blacklist, associated with hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC); and the various anti-communist activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under Director J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthyism was a widespread social and cultural phenomenon that affected all levels of society and was the source of a great deal of debate and conflict in the United States.

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