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    The director of ICE (Thomas Homan) just reported that California refused to hold the illegal alien for ICE pickup for deportation to Mexico. This is a well known fact.

    California turned the illegal alien loose on the streets. California's violation of Federal Law facilitated Kate Steinle's murder.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ths61 View Post
    I see you have your head firmly planted in the sand by not responding to any of the facts.

    I suppose you think OJ was innocent as well ? Hint, his civil trial was not able to suppress the evidence that his criminal trial did.
    Oh, I’m sorry. When you say “facts”, are you referring to that nonsensical garbage that you presented in the form of opinion/editorial in your prior message? This stuff...

    Originally Posted by ths61...
    ”Do you really think this was a fair trial (and not a political statement/coverup) in a sanctuary state court system, in a sanctuary state, in a sanctuary city with a liberal defense, liberal judge, liberal prosecution, suppression of evidence, coverup of failed sanctuary polices and liberal agencies that allowed the perp to murder and failure of the liberal prosecutor to present unbiased documented laboratory evidence to debunk the fabricated testimony?”

    Apparently you have trouble distinguishing fact from opinion. Just because something spews across your keyboard from the depths of your brain doesn’t make it factual, no matter how many times you regurgitate it.

    If you’re really interested in debating the issues, I’ll go there with you. I could use the entertainment. Bring your substantiated points and cite your sources and lets see what happens.
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    I've sat on a jury before, and completely understand the limitations placed upon what can be introduced as evidence and what may not be considered when rendering a verdict.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ths61 View Post
    The director of ICE (Thomas Homan) just reported that California refused to hold the illegal alien for ICE pickup for deportation to Mexico. This is a well known fact.

    California turned the illegal alien loose on the streets. California's violation of Federal Law facilitated Kate Steinle's murder.
    ICE tried to pull this crap in Arizona earlier this year, requesting that local law enforcement agencies hold individuals illegally until such time that ICE officers could take custody. Unfortunately for them, it is unconstitutional for a person to be held beyond a specified period of time without being criminally charged. Local law enforcement gave ICE notification for the pending release of detainees, however ICE officials could not be troubled to appear in a timely manner to re-apprehend these individuals.

    The Constitutionality of law exists for a reason. No Police State for me, yet...thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    I've sat on a jury before, and completely understand the limitations placed upon what can be introduced as evidence and what may not be considered when rendering a verdict.

    So you can appreciate the rules of law. They’re not just these arbitrary rules that change on a case to case basis. Obviously we aren’t going to agree with all the rules every time, especially when a case goes the way this one did. But to claim that the rules are unjust and advocate for throwing them out because they don’t suit your purpose today is to risk breaking a system that is meant to serve all, as fairly as possible. If change is required and demanded, the process for change is in place and prescribed... by the Constitution.

    I really hate having discussions like this. The rules are the rules, like em or not. Following the rules of law is generally a good thing. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who advocates for the wild west doesn’t truly appreciate the depth and meaning of the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights...nor fully grasps the meaning of the freedoms that those documents guarantee in American society.

    And that’s all I have to say about that.

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    I do wish the rule of law was followed by all regarding illegal immigration. Sanctuary Cities do purposely impede Federal immigration enforcement by openly declaring they will not work with such.

    Not all follow the rules.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixol Phaane View Post
    Oh, I’m sorry. When you say “facts”, are you referring to that nonsensical garbage that you presented in the form of opinion/editorial in your prior message? This stuff...

    Originally Posted by ths61...
    ”Do you really think this was a fair trial (and not a political statement/coverup) in a sanctuary state court system, in a sanctuary state, in a sanctuary city with a liberal defense, liberal judge, liberal prosecution, suppression of evidence, coverup of failed sanctuary polices and liberal agencies that allowed the perp to murder and failure of the liberal prosecutor to present unbiased documented laboratory evidence to debunk the fabricated testimony?”

    Apparently you have trouble distinguishing fact from opinion. Just because something spews across your keyboard from the depths of your brain doesn’t make it factual, no matter how many times you regurgitate it.

    If you’re really interested in debating the issues, I’ll go there with you. I could use the entertainment. Bring your substantiated points and cite your sources and lets see what happens.
    Again, you ignored all of the facts including suppression of priors (probably eligible for the 3 strikes law), suppression of evidence, failure of the prosecution to have the gun tested, failure to charge for a plethora of applicable associated violations, violating federal immigration laws by both the illegal alien and the state, etc., etc. etc.. Those are all facts, not opinions. Nice obfuscation though.

    BTW, the DOJ just unsealed an arrest warrant for the POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    I do wish the rule of law was followed by all regarding illegal immigration. Sanctuary Cities do purposely impede Federal immigration enforcement by openly declaring they will not work with such.

    Not all follow the rules.
    Jose Ines Garcia Zarate stated he specifically went to SF because he knew the sanctuary city would protect him. Sanctuary policies are an open invitation for lawlessness and crime and the illegal aliens know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ths61 View Post
    Again, you ignored all of the facts including suppression of priors (probably eligible for the 3 strikes law), suppression of evidence, failure of the prosecution to have the gun tested, failure to charge for a plethora of applicable associated violations, violating federal immigration laws by both the illegal alien and the state, etc., etc. etc.. Those are all facts, not opinions. Nice obfuscation though.

    BTW, the DOJ just unsealed an arrest warrant for the POS.
    Okay, since you insist, I’ll play.

    I do believe it was a fair trial. Your opinion may differ.
    I do not believe it was a political statement or coverup. Your opinion may differ.
    Suppression of priors is a lawful defense tactic. Fact.
    “Probably eligible for the 3 strikes law”. Sounds like your opinion or guess.
    Suppression of evidence is a lawful defense tactic. Fact.
    Failure to test the gun was poor prosecution. Fact.
    Failure to charge for a plethora... How many? What specifications?
    Violation of Federal immigration laws by defendant. Apparently factual.
    Violation of Federal immigration laws by State. Alleged by you.
    Etc., etc., etc. ... padding? Or do you just like to see yourself type? You do understand how debate works, right? Point/counterpoint?

    Yeah, you know, on second thought this really does sound like it was a political statement or coverup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixol Phaane View Post
    Okay, since you insist, I’ll play.

    I do believe it was a fair trial. Your opinion may differ.
    I do not believe it was a political statement or coverup. Your opinion may differ. - Unless both prosecution and defense are both party to generate predetermined outcome.
    Suppression of priors is a lawful defense tactic. Fact. - Unless both prosecution and defense are both party to generate predetermined outcome.
    “Probably eligible for the 3 strikes law”. Sounds like your opinion or guess. - He has 7 prior felony convictions. - fact.
    Suppression of evidence is a lawful defense tactic. Fact. - Unless both prosecution and defense are both party to generate predetermined outcome.
    - Suppress 7 prior felony convictions, jurors don't know if 3 strikes apply. (Hint: 7 is more than 3)
    - Suppress 7 prior felony convictions, jurors don't know if felony possession applies.
    - Suppress 6 prior deportations, jurors don't know he is guilty of federal felony reentry of 5 counts. (not including 7 felony priors)
    - ...

    Failure to test the gun was poor prosecution. Fact. - Unless both prosecution and defense are both party to generate predetermined outcome.
    Failure to charge for a plethora... How many? What specifications? -
    These are a few that come to mind.
    - Involuntary manslaughter. The definition of negligent use of a firearm which results in killing a person. - fact
    (NOTE: The defense's "not-guilty" argument was the actual definition of Involuntary manslaughter. E.g. He is not guilty because he is guilty ???)
    - Possession of stolen property. - fact
    - Brandishing a weapon in public. - fact
    - Carrying a loaded firearm in public without a permit. -fact
    - Violation of supervised release. - fact
    - Felony possession of a firearm. - fact
    - Possessing a magazine with the capacity of over 10 rounds. - fact
    - Carrying a firearm outside of a locked container - fact
    - Discharging a firearm in a public place - fact
    - Federal Felony Illegal reentry after removal - 5 counts - fact
    - Attempting to kill protected wildlife. - Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA) - by own admission
    - Attempting to conceal or destroy evidence. - fact (see also: HRC)
    - More drug charges

    Violation of Federal immigration laws by defendant. Apparently factual. - Repeat offender 7 times, Felony reentry 5 counts. - fact
    Violation of Federal immigration laws by State. Alleged by you. - As declared by Director of ICE Thomas D. Homan - fact

    Etc., etc., etc. ... padding? Or do you just like to see yourself type? You do understand how debate works, right. Point/counterpoint?
    Since you failed to address any of the specific points I made until this post, why should I have elaborated any further? Obfuscation is your game.

    Yeah, you know, on second thought this really does sound like it was a political statement or coverup.
    Obviously your head is still in the sand, nor have you spent any time in California politics.
    ..

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