I feel like I went to the dark side

[3Chief]

I can enjoy their products and not their ideology. I have friends the same way, I enjoy their company up until ideology comes up then I'm done. I enjoy the "Symbology" of HD but their products are garbage as far as I'm concern. Like 53driver alluded to, it's a shame they deliberately build an inferior product. I buy made in the USA where I can and try to avoid certain companies as best I can. Not easy these days as everything/everyone in intertwined.

Keep voting, buy local and support causes you believe in as best you can. That's about all any of us can do.

[F6Dave]

Like 53driver alluded to, it's a shame they deliberately build an inferior product.

I almost feel sorry for H-D, because their faithful customer base expects them to stick with the outdated technology. When they sell a bike with a superior modern engine design like the V-Rod, nobody buys them. So they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It looks like their new 'Milwaukee 8' engine may be an improvement. 4 valves per cylinder and liquid cooling (on one model) have to make a difference. I know that engine heat had become a real problem as they have to run them very lean to meet emission standards. One H-D rider told me that his runs so hot in traffic that the computer often shuts down the rear cylinder when the bike is sitting at a light.

[opas ride]

I almost feel sorry for H-D, because their faithful customer base expects them to stick with the outdated technology. When they sell a bike with a superior modern engine design like the V-Rod, nobody buys them. So they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It looks like their new 'Milwaukee 8' engine may be an improvement. 4 valves per cylinder and liquid cooling (on one model) have to make a difference. I know that engine heat had become a real problem as they have to run them very lean to meet emission standards. One H-D rider told me that his runs so hot in traffic that the computer often shuts down the rear cylinder when the bike is sitting at a light.

I think the motor is designed to stop the rear cylinder when the thing gets hot..The new Indians have this same feature to help cool the rear cylinder in traffic..Regards

[ths61]

I think the motor is designed to stop the rear cylinder when the thing gets hot..The new Indians have this same feature to help cool the rear cylinder in traffic..Regards

[opas ride]

Who needs an open fire to roast nuts???..Just take a HD or Indian Chieftain for a ride in traffic and hot weather!!!....Merry Christmas to all.....

[Blk6bgg6]

Man that's the truth.Buddy's sporty in town on hot day ,strike that on the road spirited riding.! Literally jumps off and sometimes jumps up and down claiming his ass and balls are on fire..! I can't help laughing you just have to see it and I push it hard so it gets hot