Strange motorcycle crash story

[RcBtx1999]

Nah, no need, this is a cultural trend of late. Some of the southern states have liberalized gun regulations to the point of absurdity. Wear a kevlar vest in AZ or OK, it's the Wild West, baby!

Also, carrying a firearm with a round chambered (I presume the motorcyclist in the article did) is not a good idea unless you're in a war zone and there is an imminent threat. That's basic military training. It's also common sense.

And yes, I have firearms and a CC: license.

I have carried a weapon, mostly pistols since 1978, everyday. An unchambered pistol, you may as well leave at home or in the trunk. Never had an accidental discharge (with a pistol), practice regularly and shoot to KILL. In this state (TEXAS) the law has changed, anyone can carry in or on their VEHICLE without a Concealed Carry. You can't carry into anyplace whose main revenue is 51% or greater of Alcoholic Beverages even if you are a Concealed Carry holder. State Police are authorized to carry for life as long as they qualify annually. All other Police fall under the Federal Law which allows Honorably Retired Police to Carry in any State under the credentials issued to them upon retirement.FYI

[Spanky]

This is an interesting thread, I think, for me, caring a legal weapon is an essential piece of riding gear. Just like boots and helmets. I'm not going to "out" my carrying practice, but there are many safe ways to carry concealed. A high quality gun, for instance, has built in safety engineering to prevent accidental discharge. Plus 1 on the Sig brand, P50 compact is a great choice, or something heavier in the winter when you have more clothing. A P229/228 is fine for that. In states with open carry, like Texas and AZ, that's an option that if you choose, is a great deterrent from dip$h!t drivers. for some odd reason, they see a gun, but not a 850 lb motorcycle with bright lights... Go figure. If you wear a vest, coronado leather makes a good choice. I've seen the clipdraw holster clip (google it) that is cheap and awesome- unless its really cold. The cubby holds a compact nicely, and is easy to get to.

I guess it's dealers choice, but be sure you can get to it in a hurry if you need to , and it's safe and secure. As motorcyclists we are exposed to the world more then others, and I for one feel better protected.

I had a buddy run down a few years ago in an intersection, and lost his right leg. The witnesses all said it was intentional, and the driver made sure to hit him, back up and drive away. In my book, that's an assault with a deadly weapon. If he managed to get a shot off, or his passenger, the assailant would have had to explain the bullet hole in his car. or maybe had to go to the hospital. instead, he had the car fixed in a body shop ( which we found, by the way) and eventually fled the country back to Honduras. no charges were filed, and the biker buddy is in debt to this day for medical bills, but still riding with a prosthetic.

So, I carry. where, you ask? hope you never have to find out....

[luckyluciano]

Here in Canada it's the reverse . If you are in a room with a someone carrying a gun, it's so out if the ordinary and illegal that you immediately think to leave the room with your women and children. You realize the guy is a nutbar, mentally unstable and dangerous . No way I would want to get into a shoot out with him. I would leave the premises immediately with people I care about and leave the enforcement to the professionals that do this everyday, trained for it, risk their lives as part of their job.
I'm not superhuman and no ones life is a Dirty Harry movie.

Is it even legal to shoot someone?

Thank goodness the guy who was riding didn't shoot an innocent.

[Hornblower]

Lucky--A couple of things...first, we're talking about concealed carry so you usually have no idea that someone is "armed". Second, using your weapon is only legal if you are in fear of serious bodily harm. Even then, you may be depending on a jury to clear you in the event you shoot someone. Bottom line is, you don't even pull your weapon unless the threat is clear and imminent. To be honest, I don't believe the short training class for concealed carry is nearly enough training to fully prepare one for EDC. Most people don't really want the responsibility of carrying and possibly having to use a gun to protect themselves or others. All the "others" are just hoping someone else will be around to protect them if something bad happens.

[Scotrod]

Most people don't really want the responsibility of carrying and possibly having to use a gun to protect themselves or others. All the "others" are just hoping someone else will be around to protect them if something bad happens.

There is another group,,,, Those who naturally avoid potential hazards, and live life w/o weapons or worry. (Way, way more common than carrying a weapon, actually. )

Those who proclaim their 'faith',,, If the man upstairs want's you to live, you'll live. The opposite is just as true, weapon or not. All he asks is 'Don't be a complete damn fool in the meantime!!'

[shooter]

That us so true Scot. Some people walk around oblivious to their surroundings.Even though I always carry I avoid trouble spots like the plague.I have actually pulled up to a destination and said I'm not going in there. Most responsible people that carry don't want to have to use it. You can avoid most problems by being aware if your surroundings. Jeff Cooper talked about 4 conditions of awareness. Green , this is the one where you are oblivious. Yellow , you have a handle on your surroundings and are watchful. Orange , heightened awareness , you have noticed potential trouble and are formulating a plan of action if the problem escalates. Red , the shyt has hit the fan and your are implementing the aforementioned plan. Never be in Green guys. That one is for your wife and kids. Its your job to be ever watchful for them.

[Scotrod]

I'm not superhuman and no ones life is a Dirty Harry movie.

Is it even legal to shoot someone?

Well, ya know, whether some want to admit it or not, the mentality of a 'Dirty Harry',,, or a John Wayne, or whatever gunslinger or rap-star they think is a good example of 'rough-tough/don't mess with me!!!' is indeed personified in their thoughts. Pretty easy to buy a piece and strap on a new attitude/identity. Happens every minute in da hood...

But, IMHO, this is not the definition of everyone who has a gun. Most who carry responsibly don't really 'advertise' say a lot about it unless they are in a group discussion of that subject. Some may even tell you they don't carry,,,,,,

Yes, in some instances, it's perfectly legal to shoot someone. The saying we have here in TX is make sure you drag them inside your house...

[Scotrod]

ng. A P229/228 is fine for that. In states with open carry, like Texas and AZ, that's an option that if you choose, is a great deterrent from dip$h!t drivers. for some odd reason, they see a gun, but not a 850 lb motorcycle with bright lights...

So how many 'dipshit drivers' have you shot/killed, or do you just wave it around for effect?

[shooter]

I'm not believing this story. Guys even if it was a 1911 cocked and locked someone had to depress the grip safety, flip the safety off and pull the trigger. Like I said an old single action revolver , SAA or old black hawk that hadn't been updated. Maybe even a cheap POS revolver that the safety features failed. And how was he carrying it that it shot him in the chest. In the 32 years that I've carried on a daily basis I have had two head on collisions in my truck , neither my fault , wrecked four wheelers many times , fallen while walking in the woods at night coon hunting , been thrown by horses , and many other physical activities. I've never had an AD carrying numerous types of firearms. I'm just skeptical.

[Scotrod]

I'm not believing this story. Guys even if it was a 1911 cocked and locked someone had to depress the grip safety, flip the safety off and pull the trigger. Like I said an old single action revolver , SAA or old black hawk that hadn't been updated. Maybe even a cheap POS revolver that the safety features failed. And how was he carrying it that it shot him in the chest. In the 32 years that I've carried on a daily basis I have had two head on collisions in my truck , neither my fault , wrecked four wheelers many times , fallen while walking in the woods at night coon hunting , been thrown by horses , and many other physical activities. I've never had an AD carrying numerous types of firearms. I'm just skeptical.

Completely understandable. Unclear if any 'repeated tumbling/interaction between rider/bike etc' could have lined up all the sequences/applications of pressure in correct area's to AD. Again, we'll probably never know,,,

My dad carries a old Korean war surplus 45 wrapped in a towel in the car door when traveling. I was driving them around Houston in their car. Opened the door and the damn thing fell out onto the street,,, "Nice, Dad,,, real nice,,," LOL!

I wasn't worried about AD as I know the weapon and my Dad,,, just not real happy about his 'method of carry'. (With my luck, a cop would see it and then we'd have some 'splainin to do! LOL!)

FWIW, if you ever see my dad's 45, you won't live to tell about it. Other than that, unless you are family/close friend, you'll never see or hear about it. Just the way it is.