Its not the hours, its not the effort, it is the RESULTS !

[flyboy]

Its so unbelievable that people on the right complain about the direction of the country when republicans always ruin everything they are put in charge of.

With all of the experience you have you must remember the economy in 08.

DEYSTROYED by eight years of Republican rule.

Remember the budget surplus that Clinton delivered to the right wing when they stole the 00 election?

GONE, we still have not recovered from 8 years of pointless wars and tax breaks that do nothing but make the rich richer.

Under our current leadership we have had CONSISTENT RELIABLE GROWTH.

Here is some data to back up that statement:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhart...and-investing/

When you look at who is actually a "taker" and who is a "giver" in our society it is consistently the liberal states giving money to the conservative ones. Conservatives love to complain about takers but their policies do nothing but cause their to be more "takers"

Look at this article about which states give more tax dollars to the federal government and which states take more than they give:
http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most...vernment/2700/

It is clear that without the liberal states the conservative states would be SUNK.

I know in the great state of Massachusetts where I am we only get back 94 percent of what we pay, but in the conservative state of Mississippi each tax dollar given to the government gets more than a 300 percent return. How is it we could afford to take on the conservative policies, without the liberal states to carry the conservative ones we would be doomed....

I dont doubt that the people on this board who can afford this bike have and do work hard for their money, but to think that democrats are all about "giving" money away misses the fact that under democrats our economy has flourished and under conservatives the rich have gotten richer but the average American has been worse off at the end of the conservative term than they were in the beginning.

Im proud to have voted for Obama, I cant wait to get the chance to vote for another Clinton. I am happy living in my state where we give more than we get and also lead the nation in healthcare, educational outcomes and are in the top five for earned income.

Please if you could, point out one measure of overall success as a country that is actually worse than when Obama took office, he has done nothing but work to improve our country. We are all lucky to have had him as our leader.

+1 Finally someone who reads and understands what is going on! You know, Eisenhower was a great president and it was because he was for the people and also a decent person, but he would not recognize his party today, nor they him!

[Ridlikhel]

Being subsidized the government is good for everybody, isn't it???

[shooter]

Being subsidized the government is good for everybody, isn't it???

52% of the people apparently think so in the last two elections. I still haven't figured out how 48% can support 100%. I'm not real good with numbers.

[Kevbuckley333]

52% of the people apparently think so in the last two elections. I still haven't figured out how 48% can support 100%. I'm not real good with numbers.

Have any data to back this ridiculous statement up? or is it the usual make believe talking points you heard someone say sometime and liked the sound of..

[shooter]

Kev you are part of the problem. The fact that people that think like you are educating our children scares the hell out of me. Could be why the US has the lowest test scores of any empowered nation. The problem starts in the public school system and flows uphill. There are some good teachers and I would hope you are one of them. My mom was a teacher . I was married to a teacher for 24 years and my stepmom is a teacher. I know a little about teachers. Not trying to cut you down and nothing personal. Just my opinion.

[jaygollner]

What a crappy thing to say, You can't refute his statements so you attack him personally. I also have worked hard and saved all of my life and have mostly voted for Dems because I can see the difference in their policies. I also know and am friends with many Republicans and have even supported a few, but the right has corned the market on bat shit crazy. Finally WTF with all the politics on this board, I joined to learn more about what my bike is and what it could be not to listed to a bunch of bellyaching.

Kev you are part of the problem. The fact that people that think like you are educating our children scares the hell out of me. Could be why the US has the lowest test scores of any empowered nation. The problem starts in the public school system and flows uphill. There are some good teachers and I would hope you are one of them. My mom was a teacher . I was married to a teacher for 24 years and my stepmom is a teacher. I know a little about teachers. Not trying to cut you down and nothing personal. Just my opinion.

[hiflyer]

Finally WTF with all the politics on this board, I joined to learn more about what my bike is and what it could be not to listed to a bunch of bellyaching.

This is the off topic part of the forum, no F6B info here. Don't read it if it bugs ya

[Kevbuckley333]

What a crappy thing to say, You can't refute his statements so you attack him personally. I also have worked hard and saved all of my life and have mostly voted for Dems because I can see the difference in their policies. I also know and am friends with many Republicans and have even supported a few, but the right has corned the market on bat shit crazy. Finally WTF with all the politics on this board, I joined to learn more about what my bike is and what it could be not to listed to a bunch of bellyaching.

Thank you. I believe these discussions should be about facts and how different policies affect our nation. I like numbers and analysis, I wish I could have more discussions that actually focused on how different policy decisions actually effect our nation and the world, so often these discussions just turn into name calling. I really wish I could see some facts that explain why there is so much vitriol from the right to the left, I really don't hate their beliefs the way they appear to hate mine, I just don't think they are the right move for our country.

[Kevbuckley333]

Kev you are part of the problem. The fact that people that think like you are educating our children scares the hell out of me. Could be why the US has the lowest test scores of any empowered nation. The problem starts in the public school system and flows uphill. There are some good teachers and I would hope you are one of them. My mom was a teacher . I was married to a teacher for 24 years and my stepmom is a teacher. I know a little about teachers. Not trying to cut you down and nothing personal. Just my opinion.

If the state I taught in was compared to the worlds without the rest of the nation we would be in the top two or three, my students for my subject have consistently scored near the top of my state. I promise if the rest of the nation worked the way we did in MA we wouldn't have all the issues we do. It is more than just the teachers its the value we put on education and supporting all members of our society.