Originally Posted by Phantom
What came first, the chicken or the egg? Do guns cause crime or does crime manifest gun ownership?
The US baby's long ago been thrown out. Now you're stuck with the bathwater.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? Do guns cause crime or does crime manifest gun ownership?
The US baby's long ago been thrown out. Now you're stuck with the bathwater.
What weapons did the Romans use? Knives, swords and spears? Did our Indian ancestors have Bow and Arrow "safes" back in the old days?
Knives have been around for many years, and many have died from stabbings or just watch the ISIS videos where beheadings are the norm with knives being the culprit ... it's the knifes fault. Let's ban ALL knifes from the Middle East and all of the beheadings will stop. Sounds just as absurd doesn't it? Think about it, there is no difference.
It comes down to the individual and their ability to process a situation rapidly. Applying restraint is key.
The parents of the children that left the gun in a area where the children could access it should be held accountable.
Successful people build each other up. They motivate, inspire and push each other. Unsuccessful people just hate, blame and complain.
There's something to that comment, Bird.
I won't ask if you've ever been in a dangerous area, I'll listen if you share, but this is not something that can be imagined in a classroom or from the comfort of a suburban sofa. Try stopping for gas in East St. Louis after midnight. Step out of the subway at the north end of Central Park in NYC, again, after midnight.
Idk about the chicken or the egg but there are some big bad dudes out there, bred for nothing but trouble, and could give a rat's ass about how nice you are... a sign of weakness in their eyes.
Finally, the only people who consider the situation as being "stuck with the bathwater" are the anti-gunners who believe the skies will open and the seas will part once guns are banned. That's not a concept that works in America. Heck, we're so broken politically that we can't keep 15 million Mexicans from crossing the border. You think we can keep guns out?
uh... I'm pretty sure that people killed other people thousands of years before guns were invented.
So to answer your question... crime came first. Crime will exist without the presence of guns. Always has. Always will.
The only question is... do you want to protect you and yours or dial 911 and hope for the best?
I hope your strategy works for you. There are a lot of dead victims that 911 didn't work out for. The police showed up in time to take a report, some pictures and lay out chalk outlines.
You answered the question.
Crime manifests the proliferation of handguns through fear-mongering.
Running out and buying handguns for fear of who's about to jack your car at the next traffic light, or who's lurking in the bushes behind your house at night waiting to break in, beat you, rape your wife and daughter, and then kill you will only add to more armed Americans. No wonder your police react with deadly hair-trigger (pun intended) response to any threat.
And you say you live in the greatest country in the world? Hmm, OK.
Canada may not be the greatest country in the world, but I don't fear for my life at every sunset or every time I go for a ride or walk.
Cool. We are both happy.
I don't fear for my life at every sunset or every time I go for a ride or walk either, but then, I am a sheepdog. I hope your method of self defense serves you well, don't stray too far from the flock.
No self defence needed. I live in Canada. The land of the meek and the home of the passive.
Give it up bird, there are nuts in every country. Is this passive?
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I gave it up long ago.
I also should have bought stock in two American icons:, Apple and Smith & Wesson, two famous companies that forever changed the way Americans think and act.
So this guy is driving a little too fast down I-10 in far west Texas. An officer of the law pulls him over to inquire as to why he might be speeding. The guy hands the officer his license and concealed handgun permit (CHL), plus is insurance card. As is protocol, the cop asks whether this fellow is carrying, and if so what and where. The guy says he has a Glock 19 in a holster at 4 o'clock, Beretta Nano in his boot, two AR-15's and a Remington 870 tactical shotgun in his toolbox, and both his deer rifles behind the seat. The cop then asks what, exactly, the guy is so afraid of. Without hesitation, he responds: "Not a damned thing."
I have never purchased a weapon out of fear. I purchase weapons because the laws of my county, state, and country allow me to, and because I enjoy shooting them. I take full advantage of the laws of the state of Texas, and all that this entails. I take good care of each one, and all are strictly locked away so grandkids and burglars cannot get at them. The idea that we drive, ride, and walk around in fear looking to blast whatever jumps out from behind a bush is absurd and insulting. I think no less of people who do not agree with me on this. I think a lot less of people who are pricks about it. I think no less of people who don't like Texas or the USA. I think a lot less of people who are pricks about it. There are a lot of good places in this world to live, and I have enjoyed most all of them I have visited. The laws are different wherever I go, and so I respect them fully and sincerely. I travel to Mexico hunting when possible and I can say with certainty that all their laws are very strictly observed. We all have different backgrounds. We are all worthy of getting to know. If I were to visit Canada, for instance, I would learn in intimate detail of all laws, regulations and social customs affecting my stay, and I would observe them. Happily. The same applies to California, Nebraska, Montana, New Jersey, or anywhere else. And I'd make friends along the way, or make sure I tried.
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