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    Quote Originally Posted by ISLANDER1089 View Post
    Bigbird, I am so impressed that the only person on this thread that stood up for Bruce Jenner is a Canadian. I raise a glass to you sir!
    Thanks, brother.
    I guess you and I are the only ones on here who see this as a good thing for a person who obviously suffered their whole life with a gender issue.
    If he/she is now a happier, healthier person, I'm all for it.
    I'll leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbird View Post
    Thanks, brother.
    I guess you and I are the only ones on here who see this as a good thing for a person who obviously suffered their whole life with a gender issue.
    If he/she is now a happier, healthier person, I'm all for it.
    I'll leave it at that.
    Hmm. wonder what the poor lady he killed would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxdl2051 View Post
    No one will agree with me, but that's ok, this is America. God made us with a brain 1st, he/she/them/it didn't make antibiotics or car engines for that matter, just a couple naked people under a tree with a snake I think the story goes. We had to figure out the rest, which is up to us or in us. We have to create it for ourselves. Not all brains are created the same and there's a good chance gender is brain defined and has a biological cause. Most of us are so ass deep into social conditioning we can't even see the story for our part in it, we've become the role, anything outside of that role is a threat, a threat to an arbitrary and socially adopted role we've bought into and will defend with our life or at the cost of someone else's. It's sad that Jenner is even news worthy, it's his personal choice and the fact it causes such knee jerk hostility and snarky social critique, well that's the way every misunderstood minority in American history has been treated. The whole TG thing is enormously common in vertebrates, lets face it you're all girls till you get that in utero testosterone wash. Reptiles swap sexes, in fish it's incredibly common. In non Western cultures that don't run an ideological fence down the middle of the psyche and polarize everything into dualistic categories of male or female, these kind of cultural variations are really common place. I think it's in Thailand, that a national champion kick boxer is TG, over there, not a big deal, but here OMG! Someone will probably say something stupid in reply to this and if I don't respond that's ok. Everyone's entitled to their own box just like I am mine, but it's just a box to keep the world in, not the truth necessarily. But at least here, we can all agree to disagree.
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    I think it's presumptuous, egotistical, and self-aggrandizing to believe we know what God is thinking and what he intended. If you have such answers to the universe, please, give me some lotto numbers. Who can say that God didn't make Bruce Jenner normal and the rest of us are freaks? And whether or not we believe that, who are we to judge with such loathing? Further, to do so when nobody can say that God even exists makes God just an excuse for hatred... and we know that formula has been a success throughout history.

    I love it when the religious righteous pat themselves on the back, smug in their small views of goodness and propriety, and then go out of their way to marginalize, belittle, and show hatred so quickly and so completely to anybody who is not like them. Christians, Muslims, Jews, ... there's enough of this behavior to go around and, for me, this is 10x more disappointing than anything Bruce Jenner does to himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srt8-in-largo View Post
    ^^^ This.


    I think it's presumptuous, egotistical, and self-aggrandizing to believe we know what God is thinking and what he intended. If you have such answers to the universe, please, give me some lotto numbers. Who can say that God didn't make Bruce Jenner normal and the rest of us are freaks? And whether or not we believe that, who are we to judge with such loathing? Further, to do so when nobody can say that God even exists makes God just an excuse for hatred... and we know that formula has been a success throughout history.

    I love it when the religious righteous pat themselves on the back, smug in their small views of goodness and propriety, and then go out of their way to marginalize, belittle, and show hatred so quickly and so completely to anybody who is not like them. Christians, Muslims, Jews, ... there's enough of this behavior to go around and, for me, this is 10x more disappointing than anything Bruce Jenner does to himself.
    Fair and well said.

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    I gotta throw my 2cents in. Who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner does? and further more who are we to judge him. I mean come on it's not like we all live perfect lifes. Is it really interfering with your perfect little life. If ya don't wanna see it or you don't want your kids to see it then grab the remote and change the channel

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    Funny thing is I had no idea who or what this guy was until I started to read this post. I guess I'm lucky in one sense but it's enjoyable to read these and see how the world ticks.
    Now I'm taking my coffee to the garage to be with my F6B. Cause that's what really matters to me at this moment. 😜

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    What the Bible Says - Not What I Think

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbird View Post
    Thanks, brother.
    I guess you and I are the only ones on here who see this as a good thing for a person who obviously suffered their whole life with a gender issue.
    If he/she is now a happier, healthier person, I'm all for it.
    I'll leave it at that.
    I agree with you completely.

    It really isn't news worthy and don't really understand all the fuss

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    Darren,It really isn't news worthy and don't really understand all the fuss"

    And THAT is the point...NO ONE here cares either, we just don't considerate news worthy nor do we want it shoved down our throats, or make this guy/gurl some type of martyr or hero!!!
    " Truth is often deemed rude, blunt and to the point which is why so few make their friend " Freddy Hayler ..352-267-1553 Sanford, FLA Gutterman6000@Gmail.com

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