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    You know Dickie years ago the late great Jeff Cooper offered a million dollars to the first person that proved a gun killed someone. As of yet there have been no takers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGLRY View Post

    Reagan supported the Brady Bill, which the NRA opposed. I personally strongly support the right of citizens to own guns (I own one myself, have since the LA Riots in the 90s), but I would be in favor not just of background checks but of mandatory safety training in whatever class of gun you're attempting to purchase--be it handgun, rifle, or shotgun. I further strongly oppose high-capacity magazines, whose sole purpose is military in nature.

    For all the bedwetting about "they're coming for our GUNZ BOYS!" the reality is that most of us support sensible restrictions.

    And I'd love to have ONE of you step forward and tell me how Obama took your gun away. After all, he had 8 years to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motozeke View Post

    And I'd love to have ONE of you step forward and tell me how Obama took your gun away. After all, he had 8 years to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motozeke View Post
    Reagan supported the Brady Bill, which the NRA opposed. ....
    Governor Reagan also signed the Mulford Act in 1967 which made it illegal to carry loaded firearms in public. It is also illegal to conceal carry in the Reagan library (where the "Friends of the NRA" have their meetings to discuss their alleged 2A rights versus practicing them). Reagan wasn't as pro-2A as many make him out to be (nor is the NRA, the NRA is interested in itself).

    I support standard capacity magazines (not banning them). It took over 400 rounds to take down just 2 San Bernardino terrorists. What good is 6 or 7 rounds when there are multiple bad guys, or even one for that matter. An Atlanta Georgia mother put 5 rounds of .38 into an intruder's chest at point blank range. The guy walked out of the house, got in his vehicle and drove away. What if there were 2 home invaders?

    As for training, California requires every purchaser to pay for and pass a safety test for any type of firearm purchase, pistol or long gun. They also have to pass a manipulation/operation test at the time of delivery. They also make you wait 10 days to pick up your new purchase, even if you already have hundreds of registered guns. For some reason, California thinks the 201st gun is going to do something wrong within those first 10 days of purgatory.

    California will require ammunition purchasing licensing soon. If you want to buy ammo, you will have to buy a license first. What other Constitutional Rights do you have to buy every couple of years ?

    As for BHO, he has appointed over 600 judges nationwide. 329 of the Federal judge appointments (40 percent of the entire federal judiciary) are lifetime appointments. BHO's appointees have shifted control of the appeals courts to nine of the 13 circuits to do his bidding well after he has left office. He did not have to sign any direct anti-gun bills because his judges are doing it for him.

    States like California will ramrod unconstitutional anti-2A laws through which take big $$$ (enjoyed by the "players") and years to challenge in courts and then the "hand picked" appeals courts uphold the unconstitutional anti-2A laws. Other blue states will adopt California's anti-2A practices purely because California does it, not that it makes sense or is Constitutional. BHO played the long game and has stacked the deck in his favor.

    As for the judges, many of them do not understand what they are ruling on, they are ruling based on political agendas and personal biases, not law. If I had my way, each judge MUST BE TRAINED on firearms before they can make any rulings about them. A recent attorney (from the landmark Heller versus DC case) just argued in front of the 13th Circus Court that the California's mandatory safety certificate teachings directly invalidates the "Safe Handgun Roster's" California specific manufacturer requirements, thus their punitive requirements imposed on manufacturers should be discarded (along with the hand gun roster ban/extortion scheme). It will be interesting to see how the leftist judges reconcile that the safety certificate rules mandate that the gun owner should ALWAYS ignore California's costly mandates on manufacturers.

    BHO has also tried to institute gun control through the UN. Giving foreign countries control over American citizens.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-of-american/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ths61 View Post
    Governor Reagan also signed the Mulford Act in 1967 which made it illegal to carry loaded firearms in public. It is also illegal to conceal carry in the Reagan library (where the "Friends of the NRA" have their meetings to discuss their alleged 2A rights versus practicing them). Reagan wasn't as pro-2A as many make him out to be (nor is the NRA, the NRA is interested in itself).

    I support standard capacity magazines (not banning them). It took over 400 rounds to take down just 2 San Bernardino terrorists. What good is 6 or 7 rounds when there are multiple bad guys, or even one for that matter. An Atlanta Georgia mother put 5 rounds of .38 into an intruder's chest at point blank range. The guy walked out of the house, got in his vehicle and drove away. What if there were 2 home invaders?

    As for training, California requires every purchaser to pay for and pass a safety test for any type of firearm purchase, pistol or long gun. They also have to pass a manipulation/operation test at the time of delivery. They also make you wait 10 days to pick up your new purchase, even if you already have hundreds of registered guns. For some reason, California thinks the 201st gun is going to do something wrong within those first 10 days of purgatory.

    California will require ammunition purchasing licensing soon. If you want to buy ammo, you will have to buy a license first. What other Constitutional Rights do you have to buy every couple of years ?

    As for BHO, he has appointed over 600 judges nationwide. 329 of the Federal judge appointments (40 percent of the entire federal judiciary) are lifetime appointments. BHO's appointees have shifted control of the appeals courts to nine of the 13 circuits to do his bidding well after he has left office. He did not have to sign any direct anti-gun bills because his judges are doing it for him.

    States like California will ramrod unconstitutional anti-2A laws through which take big $$$ (enjoyed by the "players") and years to challenge in courts and then the "hand picked" appeals courts uphold the unconstitutional anti-2A laws. Other blue states will adopt California's anti-2A practices purely because California does it, not that it makes sense or is Constitutional. BHO played the long game and has stacked the deck in his favor.

    As for the judges, many of them do not understand what they are ruling on, they are ruling based on political agendas and personal biases, not law. If I had my way, each judge MUST BE TRAINED on firearms before they can make any rulings about them. A recent attorney (from the landmark Heller versus DC case) just argued in front of the 13th Circus Court that the California's mandatory safety certificate teachings directly invalidates the "Safe Handgun Roster's" California specific manufacturer requirements, thus their punitive requirements imposed on manufacturers should be discarded (along with the hand gun roster ban/extortion scheme). It will be interesting to see how the leftist judges reconcile that the safety certificate rules mandate that the gun owner should ALWAYS ignore California's costly mandates on manufacturers.

    BHO has also tried to institute gun control through the UN. Giving foreign countries control over American citizens.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-of-american/
    Great post. Too bad FUDs like motozeke will never truly comprehend it, nor the folly of his words and actions.
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    Whenever I hear the gun control people talking, I like to ask Why our forefathers sitting down and drawing up the constitution thought that the freedom of speech was the most important amendment and the right to own and bare arms was the second most important. Don't they think that maybe the forefathers thought the second was the guarantee to be able to enforce the first.
    Whenever I hear about restrictions such as clip capacity etc. I have to ask, do you think a restriction weakened civilian population can defend against a superior armed corrupt government? Isn't that the very purpose of the constitution? Afterall our forefather had just won a revolution against a government that had been corrupted by a self serving president (opps) I mean King.

    Over the years we have had plenty of laws passed against murder and other crimes of discontent. But laws only work after the fact.

    For centuries people have been killing people. First they probably used rocks, then knives, swords, guns and lately bombs and vehicles. No amount of restrictions will stop it. There is always some kind of a tool or way to do the job. Restrictions only prevent the majority from fairly enforcing the laws.

    While I'm on my soap box. The middle east today shows millions running away from thousands! I have to ask WHY!!!

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    Reagan pretty much HAD to support the Brady bill. Brady took a bullet for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by motozeke View Post
    Reagan supported the Brady Bill, which the NRA opposed. I personally strongly support the right of citizens to own guns (I own one myself, have since the LA Riots in the 90s), but I would be in favor not just of background checks but of mandatory safety training in whatever class of gun you're attempting to purchase--be it handgun, rifle, or shotgun. I further strongly oppose high-capacity magazines, whose sole purpose is military in nature.

    For all the bedwetting about "they're coming for our GUNZ BOYS!" the reality is that most of us support sensible restrictions.

    And I'd love to have ONE of you step forward and tell me how Obama took your gun away. After all, he had 8 years to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve 0080 View Post
    Glock 43 on the way... getting to crazy for me !
    Congrats, dealer says they'll be allocated for quite a while, 26 will have to do until then.

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