Quote Originally Posted by thumper 549 View Post
I think my biggest problem with HD is the people that buy them.
Ignorant most of them.
They have no clue about Hp ratio to cubic inches.
nothing on the tech side.
Oh, ya can talk about wax.....
Just put on more chrome, that ought to do it.

They paid 20 TO 35k FOR marginal HP!
That is a lot of hard work(money) to NOT be able to do 85MPH all day.
I have an OLD HD and have worked very hard to make it better.
I passed a bunch guys on newer Harleys about 500 miles out from Sturgis .
I was doing 85- 90 MPH with my SO on the back, loaded HVY.
We stop every 2 hours to fill up and stretch...and after while 10 or 15 min, in they came, the ones I passed.
They were somewhere near amazed and somewheres near pissed that they could not keep up with my little EVO!
They were scrutinizing it and examining.
Asking questions, and wanting to know what stroke and bore it all is.
Being passive aggressive, defensive.
I explained it was stock stroke and bore with improved pistons and valve and head work.
They did not like it!
Of course, they had no clue about engine work, except they knew phrases like "what stage" is it? LOL
If I spent that amount of money for those things they did I would be pissed too, if I could not catch an old 1994 Road king.
The funny part was/is-i did not know they were trying to keep up...LOL
I am an old guy, and we bought our first Harley in the old days we had better know how to take care of it or at least learn fast.
The new generation...clueless.
Most the time I don't think they deserve a Harley as they have cheapened it.
Truly the blame lands squarly in HD for creating riders with no clue.
Here , buy a 50 dollar T shirt, you should feel better and be our walking talking bill board. For free.
Concur. They're being used as "tools" and they don't realize it.

..and that is why I like to debadge. Hell, I don't like wearing ANYTHING a product name or logo on it. Old Navy, Under Armor.... all of that crap... no thanks.