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    Quote Originally Posted by edgeman55 View Post
    Bob all well said.The middle class worker in this country has lost pace with everthing cost wise over the last 30 years.All the while CEO's pay has risen a 1000% over the floor worker.All capitolism has become is greed.Use to be a day when so called trickle down worked because the owners of large corperations looked at the long range and understood if you pay your workers a good livable wage they would buy there product.They took less profit and kept workers here in the good Ol USA.My wife who is 56 years old has been a Medical supervisor for 25 years and worked her way up the ladder the old fashion way with good work ethic.She was making around 70K a year and had 15 years with the hospital she was with.Well last year they walked in and she and 173 others were given notice,all the while the CEO of the hospital took his 900K salary and gave himself a 400K bonus for saving the hospital costs.She took 8 months to find a job as a receptionist for a small medical firm at 13,00 a hr.Only job she could find as she was told her age and what she use to make were problems.She is pulling down what I made 31 years ago in the Utility industry as a Tech.Like you I am retired and went to look for some work to stay busy and all I could find was a 11.00 a hr pay job at Home Depot.Would of been a 40 mile round trip to work.Hell I make more with my pension pay.As far as the dumb kids thing and our future is in there hands I know a lot of smart driven kids in our area who would like a bright future but they see there parents working two jobs and falling behind trying to keep a house and food on there plate.It can be fixed as the country has seen worse times years ago and my hope is some of these smart driven kids will help do it.I'll get off my soap box now.You guys can go back to your doom and gloom talk
    Edgeman I agree with a lot of what you say especially the part about corporate execs. The part about both parents working and falling behind trying to keep a house going can be true also. But , more often than not a lot of those parents smoke and drink. They have three or four kids and can't afford one and are paying 20% interest on $15,000 in credit card debt. They make the minimum payment each month and will end up paying $30,000 interest on the $15,000. I'm not buying the poor me. If anything the poor and oppressed have more opportunities than I do. I wasnt born with a silver spoon. I worked for what I have just like my dad did. I married a good woman that worked hard also and we raised two great kids that had household chores and jobs when they got into college. My son worked three jobs and made the deans list every semester. Both kids graduated with no student loans. We come from middle class families. Nobody gave us anything. We worked for it. Everybody has their hand out now. I'm tired of other people throwing in the towel and jumping on the entitlement train. I've successfully run my family business for the last 27 years. When things got tough after 9/11 we worked more hours and cut our pay. Our employees never missed a check. There are choices that can help you through life. Most people aren't willing to lower their standards choosing instead to shift their burden to others. I'm tired of carrying others burdens. The load is just too heavy.

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    It's funny that stories of kids like this are so popular and we never hear about the other side so here is one. I coach wrestlers at a large high school. Two of them will graduate with their AA degree one week before they graduate from high school. They take college level physics and math courses, practice 2.5 hours a night and compete in large wrestling tournament on weekends. One plans on being a Dr and the other is following his religion and plans on going to a thrid world country to honor the god he follows. On yea both worked part time at McDonalds last summer and I assure you they can make change with out a computer. There are lots of great kids doing what they are suppose to everyday they just don't get the attention the screw ups do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valkmc View Post
    It's funny that stories of kids like this are so popular and we never hear about the other side so here is one. I coach wrestlers at a large high school. Two of them will graduate with their AA degree one week before they graduate from high school. They take college level physics and math courses, practice 2.5 hours a night and compete in large wrestling tournament on weekends. One plans on being a Dr and the other is following his religion and plans on going to a thrid world country to honor the god he follows. On yea both worked part time at McDonalds last summer and I assure you they can make change with out a computer. There are lots of great kids doing what they are suppose to everyday they just don't get the attention the screw ups do.
    I've bragged about my bosses kids since they graduated from high school in the 90's. Two boys with their parents on their butts, catholic schooling. Today, one works for a Pharmaceutical company....he made almost $900,000 last year. His older brother is the head of pharmacy at Martha's Vineyard hospital. He started at $100,000 a year at least 15 years ago. These two had drive and knew what they wanted at a young age. I never had that and from what I've seen, it's rare. As valkmc just said, they're out there.

    There were screw ups when I was a kid. I hope most of what we see is from being the older generation. True or not, Socrates supposedly once said, " I don't know what the future will bring with this young generation". Maybe there's hope...there has to be, right?
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    Let me give you another TRUE story

    Being the witty prankster that I am, I decided I would always order a "Diet Water" to break the ice and maybe get a chuckle from the waiter or waitress. I had to quit because they would never catch the joke and ALWAYS brought me a diet soda--obviously of their brand choice--because I didn't order it. I guess my humor was over their head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ryder View Post
    Being the witty prankster that I am, I decided I would always order a "Diet Water" to break the ice and maybe get a chuckle from the waiter or waitress. I had to quit because they would never catch the joke and ALWAYS brought me a diet soda--obviously of their brand choice--because I didn't order it. I guess my humor was over their head.
    I use to like teasing waitresses by ordering a Virgin Martini = I wanted the ice water with lemon shaken not stirred = quickly found out that this joke goes over like a fart in Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjduke View Post
    There were screw ups when I was a kid. I hope most of what we see is from being the older generation. True or not, Socrates supposedly once said, " I don't know what the future will bring with this young generation". Maybe there's hope...there has to be, right?
    This reminds me of my dad (now 80) and my grand father (passed away) sitting at our kitchen table complaining about how worthless kids were. They both grew up on farms and could not understand how they could not find kids to hire who knew the farm industry. I used to say to myself, under my breath of course, I wish I did not know how to milk cows, plow a field, or mow hay. I believe part of what we feel about the youth today is the same thing past generations felt about the youth they dealt with.

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    Yep, I read a book in high school, back in 1962, the writer was complaining about the action of the youth seems they were letting their hair grow, wearing jewelry, growing facial hair, talking their own language, promoting love and wearing funny cloths. Remember now this was in the 1960's when the hippies ruled.
    The only problem was the book was written in Russia in 1865.

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    I had a computer technology intern assigned to me for a 10 day period. This was a few years ago at the end of my career when I was completely in control of all aspects of my job. The first morning the kid sat down and tried to log onto my network to read his personal E-mails. He had been on duty for two minutes. I told him that we were in an inventory cycle and it was going to be all shoe leather, barcode scanners and flashlights for the next month. I had, give or take, 100 million in capital asset equipment to find, scan and verify location. The kid literally told me he wasn't going to leave the office. Trust me, he did but never returned after lunch. He left and filed a complaint with the university that our expectations were unreasonable and had nothing to do with his agenda. He could not comprehend that computer data is more than data in a drive and that it represents, in many cases, real world systems, equipment and products that allow the human race to function. The front half of my job was loading and managing history, maintenance and depreciation of the asset property into a massive rather complex data base. He didn't last long enough to gain any insight into the total program. He is probably ceo of a gaming company or flipping burgers.

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