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    Obamas Farewell Speech

    Well written by his speech makers and presented nicely by his ability to keep a straight face while "lying through his teeth"...I am sure he is a nice man and such, but "thank God" he is almost done ruining America!!!...No President is perfect and some are just not much good, but this liberal, left-wing, socialist "jerk" did nothing in his 8 years to make our country better and only served to better himself and his personal agenda.....Not sure what Trump will do, but I hope and pray he does a much improved job of serving this country and its people than Obama did, which was nothing!!!!!

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    You lost me at "I'm sure he is a nice man...."
    He's not.

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    I was interested in his farewell speech as much as I watch celebrity awards. Which I don't watch at all.

    What I do want to watch is the Presidential inauguration; when Trump is sworn in. Obama should not attend. Because goodby means GOODBY.


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    agree to disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by opas ride View Post
    Well written by his speech makers and presented nicely by his ability to keep a straight face while "lying through his teeth"...I am sure he is a nice man and such, but "thank God" he is almost done ruining America!!!...No President is perfect and some are just not much good, but this liberal, left-wing, socialist "jerk" did nothing in his 8 years to make our country better and only served to better himself and his personal agenda.....Not sure what Trump will do, but I hope and pray he does a much improved job of serving this country and its people than Obama did, which was nothing!!!!!
    He was elected TWICE to the highest position in the country by our country
    He is an amazing father, husband, orator, who does love the country and did his best to lift up as many Americans as he could
    He shattered the glass ceiling as our first president of color and set a very important precedent for other persons of color
    unemployment is very low
    stock market is WAY UP
    gas prices - meh - stable
    navigated and survived the worst recession and the huge wall street and bank scandals.
    Real estate prices are steady and growing again
    He would have made huge strides in improving infrastructure had his opposition gotten on board
    he did something none of us have done - rose from the bottom of politics to the top - how many of us can say that?
    Say what you will - He is a brilliant human being
    I will offer Mr. Trump the same praise if he can earn it after his term in office.
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    Well, I have to say is that "don't let the door hit him, where the good lord split him"

    For the first time in my life, I was embarrassed to be an American; while he was in office. On overseas vacations that I took a few times, me and my wife took great care to conceal our national identities; after overhearing critical conversations from other nationals concerning our country and their opinion of it.

    1. He didn’t heal our racial divisions. He actually worsened them. He had the best chance of all recent Presidents to improve them, and he fuc$ing BLEW IT with his irresponsible and untimely remarks.
    2. Obamacare is a boondoggle. More Americans have been hurt by it, than helped. Promises were broken to the American people from his introduction of it.
    3. The stimulus didn’t stimulate. Hundreds of billions of dollars were voted for "shovel ready" projects and the money disappeared without a trace
    4. Obama failed to reform immigration. He hasn’t cracked down on illegal immigration, he hasn’t legalized it, and he hasn’t forged any kind of compromise or consensus on the issue. Nobody is happy and nothing has been accomplished.
    5. He withdrew prematurely from Iraq. ISIL resulted from that.
    6. He has made America irrelevant. No U.S. President in history has made such an overt show of self admonishment and apologetic behavior on the International stage. Our country is ridiculed in many nations because of that.
    7. He is an narcissist. He has been abnormally preoccupied with leaving "a Legacy"

    Obama was originally elected on the basis of celebrity, on vague slogans about “hope and change,” on a sense of self-congratulatory smugness about how progressive and enlightened we would all be if we voted for him.

    I dare say, that I will walk a little taller and much more proud; once Trump takes the helm of leadership for our country. He wasn't the best choice, but was a hands down choice for me; compared to that evil, crooked, angry bitch whom wanted to continue to drive our country into a failed and weakened state.


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    Divided? Look between the lines....

    The litmus test for a divided country is in these pages....
    We have most posters either feel VERY strongly one way, or VERY strongly the other.
    Very little in between.

    I'm sure a professional statistician would rule this particular cross section of America as not exactly statistically representative of America for several reasons.
    HOWEVER, it is a valid statistical sampling of this microcosm which IS our world here as a Group.
    The division is strong and seemingly defendable by each side.

    Our country is divided into 2 completely different ideologies.
    I'll not delve - y'all know the issues.
    Race, creed, & color seem to span both sides.

    But right now, this country is hurting badly - whatever the cause.
    Follow the money......
    We are reportedly almost $20trillion in debt and that is just the debt, it doesn't count the interest due which brings the total to almost $80trillion. Yes. $80TRL needs to be paid back.
    And how is that ever going to happen? On the backs of the taxpayers. And who might they be?
    The jobless rate that everyone seems to quote 4-5-6% does NOT include those people who have stopped looking for work. The real number of unemployed people is near 10% of those so able.
    In this table, U3 is the "official government unemployment rate - but looking at all the classifications, you can see how the numbers are massaged. And that's assuming these numbers are not "fudged" somewhere else.
    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

    The taxpayer base is dwindling...
    The fiscal stress funding the "social programs" is increasing as more people are allowed into the country and are not in the tax payer base...
    And? It's not showing any signs of turning soon.

    America's Federal government is hurting.
    America's Federal government cannot survive economically like this - our own households would have fallen apart a long time ago had we run up that kind of debt.
    The Government has failed the American citizens for years, taking us off the gold standard, making Social Security part of the "General Fund", borrowing money with no plan to pay it back, and the other branches just sit there and stare while havoc is wreaked by Legislative, approved by the Administrative and condoned by the Judicial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willtill View Post
    Well, I have to say is that "don't let the door hit him, where the good lord split him"

    For the first time in my life, I was embarrassed to be an American; while he was in office. On overseas vacations that I took a few times, me and my wife took great care to conceal our national identities; after overhearing critical conversations from other nationals concerning our country and their opinion of it.

    The term "ugly Americans" has been around a very long time - mostly because Americans don't like to learn other languages and cultures.

    1. He didn’t heal our racial divisions. He actually worsened them. He had the best chane of all recent Presidents to improve them, and he fucking BLEW IT with his irresponsible and untimely remarks.

    A) - ok - you have to get more specific than just your "feelings" data to back that up?

    2. Obamacare is a boondoggle. More Americans have been hurt by it, than helped. Promises were broken to the American people from his introduction of it.

    B) agree

    3. The stimulus didn’t stimulate. Hundreds of billions of dollars were voted for "shovel ready" projects and the money disappeared without a trace

    C) disagree - unemployment is way down

    4. Obama failed to reform immigration. He hasn’t cracked down on illegal immigration, he hasn’t legalized it, and he hasn’t forged any kind of compromise or consensus on the issue. Nobody is happy and nothing has been accomplished.

    D) republicans failed to bring an immigration package / bill to the floor (refused)

    5. He withdrew prematurely from Iraq. ISIL resulted from that.

    E) disagree

    6. He has made America irrelevant. No U.S. President in history has made such an overt show of self admonishment and apologetic behavior on the International stage. Our country is ridiculed in many nations because of that.

    F) disagree

    7. He is an narcissist. He has been abnormally preoccupied with leaving "a Legacy"

    G) you need to understand the DSMV IV manual for mental illness before you try to equate him with a narcissist.

    Obama was originally elected on the basis of celebrity, on vague slogans about “hope and change,” on a sense of self-congratulatory smugness about how progressive and enlightened we would all be if we voted for him.

    H) yes, just like Mr. Trump and all other politicians.

    I dare say, that I will walk a little taller and much more proud; once Trump takes the helm of leadership for our country. He wasn't the best choice, but was a hands down choice for me; compared to that evil, crooked, angry bitch whom wanted to continue to drive our country into a failed and weakened state.
    I) your feelings do not equate to facts - they are emotions. But they are YOUR emotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiltingf6b View Post
    I) your feelings do not equate to facts - they are emotions. But they are YOUR emotions.
    You are incredibly delusional. Mind shattering delusional.

    -Obanination Care is a disaster. Skyrocketing costs, insurances companies dropping out all over the country. It is collapsing under its own weight . Obomination lied through his teeth about it.

    -Worst racial separation since the 60s

    -Increased our debt more than all presidents combined

    -Lowest labor participation since the 70s

    -Lowest home ownership in 51 years

    -12 million MORE american on food stamps since the obomination was elected

    -Dozens and dozens more

    He will go down as the worst president in history.

    He was elected because of racism. Many supported him because he is black - that is the definition of racism. Many supported him because of his lying promises of "free stuff." Many supported him because the grew up learning to be dependent on government. the rest supported him because of their inability to think for themselves and research and learn. The same "qualities" are multiplied for Hilderbeast supporters. His elections were an embarrassment of epic proportions. The best explanation that I have heard is the he was America's sympathy fuck.
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    Divided? Hopefully not too much, all in all.

    Quote Originally Posted by 53driver View Post
    The litmus test for a divided country is in these pages....
    We have most posters either feel VERY strongly one way, or VERY strongly the other.
    Very little in between.

    I'm sure a professional statistician would rule this particular cross section of America as not exactly statistically representative of America for several reasons.
    HOWEVER, it is a valid statistical sampling of this microcosm which IS our world here as a Group.
    The division is strong and seemingly defendable by each side.
    Very well said. Productive discourse is completely impossible when polite, well-intentioned discussion is replaced by divisive, offensive and oftentimes outright abusive language. This, I believe, is why we elect representatives - local, state and federal. We trust that they will engage in polite, well-intentioned, and productive discussion on our behalves. Sometimes, even that trust is sorely misplaced. That said, even as a regular lurker I do enjoy reading these interchanges.

    Sure, this forum is a melting pot of sorts. Also, it seems to me that usually those with the most extreme views are inclined to mix it up publicly within any group, so the sampling may be a tad skewed. I'd like to think the entire spectrum is represented here, with the middle abstaining from these discussions. FWIW, I like to mix it up a little too sometimes, but normally just at home or in the voting booth. Or over a nice seafood lunch with friends...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill1584 View Post
    Very well said. Productive discourse is completely impossible when polite, well-intentioned discussion is replaced by divisive, offensive and oftentimes outright abusive language. This, I believe, is why we elect representatives - local, state and federal. We trust that they will engage in polite, well-intentioned, and productive discussion on our behalves. Sometimes, even that trust is sorely misplaced. That said, even as a regular lurker I do enjoy reading these interchanges.

    Sure, this forum is a melting pot of sorts. Also, it seems to me that usually those with the most extreme views are inclined to mix it up publicly within any group, so the sampling may be a tad skewed. I'd like to think the entire spectrum is represented here, with the middle abstaining from these discussions. FWIW, I like to mix it up a little too sometimes, but normally just at home or in the voting booth. Or over a nice seafood lunch with friends...
    I disagree with your assertion that this forum in a melting pot. I think you will find that motorcyclists, as a whole, are far more pro-freedom than liberal. I don't think you will find lots of Hilderbeast voters. Is that divisive, offensive and abusive??
    If you are not part of the solution, YOU are the problem.

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