I've woken up to uglier. Not to hijack the thread, the RDL is actually a nice looking seat I don't know why people think it is ugly. I think the wings make the thing, I don't see one out there that has better lines or form. Maybe a custom made with fancy inlays and material but those are usually uncomfortable. Actually you can customize the RDL, BTW, I've been trying to get into the RDL website with no success for the last couple of days has anyone else had the same trouble.