Tucker Carlson spanks Bill Nye and the crazy global warming hoax

[taxfree4]

Watch Bill Nye, who BTW is not a scientist - bachelor's degree in engineering, go from a pompous, arrogant name caller to a bumbling, stuttering fool, kind of like the whole global warming movement, when presented with facts and trying to answer a simple question.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LKMxmYcfw8Q

[jm21ddd15]

Good Video. Bill Nye is a moron.

[shortleg0521]

Watch Bill Nye, who BTW is not a scientist - bachelor's degree in engineering, go from a pompous, arrogant name caller to a bumbling, stuttering fool, kind of like the whole global warming movement, when presented with facts and trying to answer a simple question.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LKMxmYcfw8Q

I watched that, and MR. Nye looked like a fool when confronted with nothing stronger
than facts.
I understand not wanting pollution getting everything but let's be real!

[taxfree4]

The earth is a self sustaining, self cleansing body whether it's Mt. St. Helels or Mt. Pinatubo, Kuwaiti oil fires or 6 billion people breaking wind at the same time, don't put a dent. We couldn't destroy this planet if we tried to as the earth will be here long after we cease to exist. And now a word from our First Lady:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9IXS8Aum0

[taxfree4]

The king was crowned last night https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cH_231dBLGI

[Davidk]

The king was crowned last night https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cH_231dBLGIGreat speech. If he had spoken like this, clear messages with respect, unity and dignity, during the campaign, he would have won 75% of the popular vote.

[wjduke]

Great speech. If he had spoken like this, clear messages with respect, unity and dignity, during the campaign, he would have won 75% of the popular vote.
Did any Republicans ever stand there and not clap for Obama in all his 8 years? If so, I'm willing to bet it was one here and there. I didn't watch, as I no longer have cable tv, but what I just saw was the most ignorant bunch ever. I hope they enjoy 8 more years of this.

[taxfree4]

Great speech. If he had spoken like this, clear messages with respect, unity and dignity, during the campaign, he would have won 75% of the popular vote.Popular vote don't mean scratch, this is how he spoke on the campaign it was good to see he finally went back to his original theme - build a wall, take care of vets, build the infrastructure, bring back jobs to the USA, get rid of illegals he was right on point. He would have never gotten the votes of Liberals, the inner city, illegals, welfare recipients, rank and file union members, gays, lesbians and all other perversions no matter what he said. You don't pander to these groups you crush them. His message went out to middle America who usually stay home for guys like Jeb Bush, John Kasich and John McCain et. al. and their milquetoast "can't we all get along" Kumbaya Republican bullshit. Trump didn't need a ground game because his voters couldn't wait to vote for him. He will win in 2020 by a bigger landslide than he did in 2016, you heard it here first.

[jm21ddd15]

Sure like that picture of our 1st Lady, that you display. Mmmm. And the speech from President Trump, was great, also!

[taxfree4]

Sure like that picture of our 1st Lady, that you display. Mmmm. And the speech from President Trump, was great, also!How can I not post a picture of this incredible strudel. Christian, beautiful, classy, smart and can she fill out a dress - and that accent. She could read the phone book to me and I would sit back in a recliner with a cigar and a cognac and be the happiest man in the world. (If my current wife reads this I leave my F6B to Tony in case of my sudden death with the stipulation he takes the MRA XCREEN and sends it to BIGLRY for further R&D) BTW, the picture of the First Hottie to the left is from a breast cancer fundraiser - kid you not. The tensile strength of those two little straps must be ridiculous.

[Davidk]

Did any Republicans ever stand there and not clap for Obama in all his 8 years? If so, I'm willing to bet it was one here and there. I didn't watch, as I no longer have cable tv, but what I just saw was the most ignorant bunch ever. I hope they enjoy 8 more years of this.The Rs were millions times more respectful to the Obamination than the Ds are to Trump.Watching the Dems response at the speech was disgusting. They refused to admit Trump was right even on issues the Ds agree with. Their behavior was reprehensible.

[Davidk]

Popular vote don't mean scratch, this is how he spoke on the campaign it was good to see he finally went back to his original theme - build a wall, take care of vets, build the infrastructure, bring back jobs to the USA, get rid of illegals he was right on point. He would have never gotten the votes of Liberals, the inner city, illegals, welfare recipients, rank and file union members, gays, lesbians and all other perversions no matter what he said. You don't pander to these groups you crush them. His message went out to middle America who usually stay home for guys like Jeb Bush, John Kasich and John McCain et. al. and their milquetoast "can't we all get along" Kumbaya Republican bullshit. Trump didn't need a ground game because his voters couldn't wait to vote for him. He will win in 2020 by a bigger landslide than he did in 2016, you heard it here first.It is my opinion that he would have lost if not for Wikileaks, who, in the last few weeks of the campaign, did the job that the press refused to do, that turned enough of the fence sitters to win. Wikileaks turned Hilderbeast voters against her and also turned many Republicans who would not vote for Trump.I though he would loose because he pissed off too many demographics with his insults. I was for him in the beginning of the primary because I thought he could do much more than any politician, but soon came to believe that he would loose because of his insults. I am so grateful for Wikileaks!

[opas ride]

It is my opinion that he would have lost if not for Wikileaks, who, in the last few weeks of the campaign, did the job that the press refused to do, that turned enough of the fence sitters to win. Wikileaks turned Hilderbeast voters against her and also turned many Republicans who would not vote for Trump.I though he would loose because he pissed off too many demographics with his insults. I was for him in the beginning of the primary because I thought he could do much more than any politician, but soon came to believe that he would loose because of his insults. I am so grateful for Wikileaks!

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[taxfree4]

It is my opinion that he would have lost if not for Wikileaks, who, in the last few weeks of the campaign, did the job that the press refused to do, that turned enough of the fence sitters to win. Wikileaks turned Hilderbeast voters against her and also turned many Republicans who would not vote for Trump.I though he would loose because he pissed off too many demographics with his insults. I was for him in the beginning of the primary because I thought he could do much more than any politician, but soon came to believe that he would loose because of his insults. I am so grateful for Wikileaks!I can see your point about Wikileaks but I'm not sure his winning hinged on their reporting and here's why; True Hillary voters wouldn't care if there was video of her whacking Vince Foster with her prints on the gun and bullets, they would vote for her anyway. The reason why the Clintons were so loved by Dems was because they drove the Republicans crazy because no matter what the scandal was they could never make anything stick, that's the slick in Slick Willy. They welcomed scandal so they could put on display their ability to weasel out of it, with the help of a lapdog media. This bitch is on tape laughing about a client she got off, a child rapist, who raped a 12 year old girl so violently she couldn't have kids, ever. If that didn't sway every voter nothing will, it did get her 2 million more votes in CA. so if you're a child rapist go to CA. you'll probably get a sympathetic jury. The demographics he pissed off were the ones he wasn't going to get anyway - illegals, homos, unions, welfare slugs, the Congressional Black Caucus, The Congressional Hispanic Caucus etc. etc. What he did do was excite a forgotten, silent majority who have been vilified, pickpocketed, environmentally regulated out of a job, beaten down and told that because of their mere existence they are responsible for all the ills of society - the white Christian middle class. The reason he resonated was because someone FINALLY had the balls to tell these misfits we've had enough that's it. Get out of our country, our pockets, our children's bathrooms, keep your hands off my gun, my job and my gas guzzling car. Trump was filling stadiums from the start and never stopped, Hillary couldn't fill the back of a gym. Politics is a sport, campaigning is a contact sport the one who hits the hardest wins. if you want everyone to like you start a pet rescue but don't go into politics or become Jeb Bush - 120 million dollars and he's changing his father's diaper.

[Davidk]

I can see your point about Wikileaks but I'm not sure his winning hinged on their reporting and here's why; True Hillary voters wouldn't care if there was video of her whacking Vince Foster with her prints on the gun and bullets, they would vote for her anyway. The reason why the Clintons were so loved by Dems was because they drove the Republicans crazy because no matter what the scandal was they could never make anything stick, that's the slick in Slick Willy. They welcomed scandal so they could put on display their ability to weasel out of it, with the help of a lapdog media. This bitch is on tape laughing about a client she got off, a child rapist, who raped a 12 year old girl so violently she couldn't have kids, ever. If that didn't sway every voter nothing will, it did get her 2 million more votes in CA. so if you're a child rapist go to CA. you'll probably get a sympathetic jury. The demographics he pissed off were the ones he wasn't going to get anyway - illegals, homos, unions, welfare slugs, the Congressional Black Caucus, The Congressional Hispanic Caucus etc. etc. What he did do was excite a forgotten, silent majority who have been vilified, pickpocketed, environmentally regulated out of a job, beaten down and told that because of their mere existence they are responsible for all the ills of society - the white Christian middle class. The reason he resonated was because someone FINALLY had the balls to tell these misfits we've had enough that's it. Get out of our country, our pockets, our children's bathrooms, keep your hands off my gun, my job and my gas guzzling car. Trump was filling stadiums from the start and never stopped, Hillary couldn't fill the back of a gym. Politics is a sport, campaigning is a contact sport the one who hits the hardest wins. if you want everyone to like you start a pet rescue but don't go into politics or become Jeb Bush - 120 million dollars and he's changing his father's diaper.I don't disagree, but my thoughts are this: In every election, the right will vote for the right, the left will vote for the wrong and nothing will change that. The two are actually pretty equal in size, leaving the "undecided voters" as the swing vote, and in my opinion, they are the ones who are really in control of the election, since the right and wrong pretty much cancel each other out.This election was unique as a large portion of the wrong, went even further wrong and supported a socialist. With Bernie's loss, many of those Dems could not vote for the Hilderbeast. Combine this with Demoncrats who saw Hilderbeast for the lying, corrupt, treasonist thief that she really was. They didn't want to vote for her, but didn't want Trump either. Also, there was a large swath of Republicans who didn't want Trump. I think both of these fringes were much larger than typical. I think the Wikileaks revelations effected the fringes on both sides, steering the election to Trump. Just my thoughts.

[taxfree4]

In the end it all worked out, the end justified the means in this case whatever the cause/causes were and he WILL win by a larger electoral landslide in 2020. By then the Dems will lose another 2-300 national and local seats by their racist, childish, anti-American behavior on full display, for the whole world to see, towards the President along with their step brothers in the mainstream media, who finally came out of the closet and revealed who/what they were.

[Elroy]

I can see your point about Wikileaks but I'm not sure his winning hinged on their reporting and here's why; True Hillary voters wouldn't care if there was video of her whacking Vince Foster with her prints on the gun and bullets, they would vote for her anyway. The reason why the Clintons were so loved by Dems was because they drove the Republicans crazy because no matter what the scandal was they could never make anything stick, that's the slick in Slick Willy. They welcomed scandal so they could put on display their ability to weasel out of it, with the help of a lapdog media. This bitch is on tape laughing about a client she got off, a child rapist, who raped a 12 year old girl so violently she couldn't have kids, ever. If that didn't sway every voter nothing will, it did get her 2 million more votes in CA. so if you're a child rapist go to CA. you'll probably get a sympathetic jury. The demographics he pissed off were the ones he wasn't going to get anyway - illegals, homos, unions, welfare slugs, the Congressional Black Caucus, The Congressional Hispanic Caucus etc. etc. What he did do was excite a forgotten, silent majority who have been vilified, pickpocketed, environmentally regulated out of a job, beaten down and told that because of their mere existence they are responsible for all the ills of society - the white Christian middle class. The reason he resonated was because someone FINALLY had the balls to tell these misfits we've had enough that's it. Get out of our country, our pockets, our children's bathrooms, keep your hands off my gun, my job and my gas guzzling car. Trump was filling stadiums from the start and never stopped, Hillary couldn't fill the back of a gym. Politics is a sport, campaigning is a contact sport the one who hits the hardest wins. if you want everyone to like you start a pet rescue but don't go into politics or become Jeb Bush - 120 million dollars and he's changing his father's diaper.

This was awesome, top-notch comment.

[taxfree4]

This was awesome, top-notch comment.You flatter me sir.

[BIGLRY]

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[earlyd00]

Did you guys see the same video? You actually saw that video and felt like Bill Nye was the idiot? Really?

[opas ride]

Did you guys see the same video? You actually saw that video and felt like Bill Nye was the idiot? Really?

He is an idiot and there is no such thing as "Global Warming"...Just plain old Al Gore BS!!!!....

[stroguy]

Did you guys see the same video? You actually saw that video and felt like Bill Nye was the idiot? Really?

Yes, he was given every opportunity to put factual numbers on a table and all he did was ignore free thinkers. His bigotry of free thinkers was quite evident. Think my way or you are the enemy. Watch it again and see how many answers he actually gives that definitively defend his position.

You can skip to the end and see a refreshing honest opinion. Don't worry yourself with the facts from beginning to end. But these are obama era scientists....they could be using alternative facts.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

[Broken Hand]

I think we, as a world community, should slow down the rotation of the earth. I think an extra 6 hours a day would be awesome! I could always use extra time for riding.

The way I see it, if we humans can alter planetary weather, then slowing the earth's spin shouldn't be outside our supreme power.

Are you with me?

[taxfree4]

I think we, as a world community, should slow down the rotation of the earth. I think an extra 6 hours a day would be awesome! I could always use extra time for riding.The way I see it, if we humans can alter planetary weather, then slowing the earth's spin shouldn't be outside our supreme power.Are you with me?Excellent comment, the guy who invented the "pet rock" sold a boatload to the same people - at least he acknowledged it was a rock and didn't try to hoodwink you to sell it as a real pet. Moral of the story: When you believe in nothing, you will believe anything.

[taxfree4]

An email was sent out to all NYC school teachers that they are not to mention the terms President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump in the classroom.

[53driver]

An email was sent out to all NYC school teachers that they are not to mention the terms President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump in the classroom.

Was there a reason given? WTH?

[wjduke]

An email was sent out to all NYC school teachers that they are not to mention the terms President Donald Trump, Donald Trump, President Trump in the classroom.

If it was anonymous, that's one thing. If it was from someone high up, that's instant job loss in my book. He IS the President f'n liberals.

[Broken Hand]

Since the inception of the Dept of Education, $1 Trillion dollars has been spent by that agency. Money well spent, anyone?

[taxfree4]

Was there a reason given? WTH? You don't need a reason when you're Mayor Bill de Blasio (born Warren Wilhelm Jr.) It had to have the nod from the mayor but I'll dig deeper. I guess with all the illegal aliens in NYC public schools it might be offensive being their relatives are trying to sneak in over that very big wall.

[luckyluciano]

Did you guys see the same video? You actually saw that video and felt like Bill Nye was the idiot? Really?


Im with you ealyd00!

I don't think Nye is an idiot. We need many more science educators like him with even better credentials to educate away the conspiracy theories.
Sorry ladies & gentlemen, I love you fellow F6Ber brothers but when it comes to our mother earth's biosphere I'm absolutely sure its more important to suspend the love of conspiracy for the potential wellbeing of mankind. I admit you could be right, the majority of the worlds qualified scientific bodies may be colluding together just so they can keep their government subsidized jobs and so governments can tax you a little more, but my money is with "Occams Razor." Its a far stretch to assume such a conspiracy hoax & its far more likely the fossil fuel companies the world have clouded our judgement to protect their financial interests, which by the way are heavily subsidized as well.

There is nothing wrong with switching to sustainable energy forms. That is where the future lies. But there is plenty wrong if your assumption of climate change being a hoax is wrong. Im not willing to take that gamble.

[98valk]

If someone really wants to quit abusing our planet. Quit breeding like rabbits! What the world needs is less people.

The boys in charge make more and more money as the population grows. So that obvious solution for our planet never comes up (not to mention religious reasons).

Oh yeah, I said it ... :stirthepot:

[Ewreck]

The earth is a self sustaining, self cleansing body whether it's Mt. St. Helels or Mt. Pinatubo, Kuwaiti oil fires or 6 billion people breaking wind at the same time, don't put a dent. We couldn't destroy this planet if we tried to as the earth will be here long after we cease to exist. And now a word from our First Lady:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9IXS8Aum0

But what if we tipped Guam over???

[BIGLRY]

If someone really wants to quit abusing our planet. Quit breeding like rabbits! What the world needs is less people.

The boys in charge make more and more money as the population grows. So that obvious solution for our planet never comes up (not to mention religious reasons).

Oh yeah, I said it ... :stirthepot:
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[Broken Hand]

Random observations:

1) Global warming crowd wants open borders. If immigration stopped, U.S. population growth would reverse.

2) 12,000 years ago, I'd be living under a mile thick sheet of ice. Climate always changes.

3) 2015, EPA refused to reveal data used in climate change policy. What are you afraid of?

4) U. of East Angelia emails exposed. Climate unit routinely blacklists scientific articles skeptical of climate change.

5) Why are the Martian polar caps shrinking?

6) If Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio are so concerned about climate, why do they fly private jets and burn huge carbon for their mansions?

7) This planet has been wiped out several times before and here we still are, bitching again.

[luckyluciano]

Your corporate polititions own your beliefs so they and their fossil fuel parners can privatize their gains and socialize the costs and damages on your head & mine.......


Exxon knew all along....

https://youtu.be/ZSMSnjsS57M



Hurricane Harvey may hit Texas & Oil Refineries .....Blame it on the gays!


https://youtu.be/fPyRmAi1UCM

[Ewreck]

Your corporate polititions own your beliefs so they and their fossil fuel parners can privatize their gains and socialize the costs and damages on your head & mine.......


Exxon knew all along....

https://youtu.be/ZSMSnjsS57M



Hurricane Harvey may hit Texas & Oil Refineries .....Blame it on the gays!


https://youtu.be/fPyRmAi1UCM


Enlighten us Americans how planet earth has came out of multiple ice ages.

This will be approx the 64th hurricane to hit TX since 1851 so what's your point?

Looking forward to future pics of your solar powered, peddle F6B.

Young Turks. LOL

[luckyluciano]

Enlighten us Americans how planet earth has came out of multiple ice ages.

This will be approx the 64th hurricane to hit TX since 1851 so what's your point?

Looking forward to future pics of your solar powered, peddle F6B.

Young Turks. LOL


Of course Planet earth come out of multiple ice ages....so what? I don't see your point. Are you saying that the planet's climate changing is normal therefore there is nothing new here? The earth has previously had what it has now? A species that feels it is so smart yet they are too stupid to stop themselves from knowingly destroying their biosphere.

[Davidk]

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[Ewreck]

Of course Planet earth come out of multiple ice ages....so what? I don't see your point. Are you saying that the planet's climate changing is normal therefore there is nothing new here? The earth has previously had what it has now? A species that feels it is so smart yet they are too stupid to stop themselves from knowingly destroying their biosphere.

1970s it was globull cooling. Wrong
1990s it was globull warming. Wrong
2010 to present its now "climate change" with the words "man made" slipped in to cover all the bases. The fact you don't see my point IS the point. The planets climate continually changes by the second and yes it's normal. As I wait for you to show proof of man changing climates or as you try to change the topic, "destroying the biosphere", I will give you a hint. It's a giant orange ball of energy that rises in the East and sets in the West. As you search for proof of our self demise due to ignorance try staying away from Bill Nye, The Young Turks, or any and all Pauley Shore movies.

[luckyluciano]

i listen to respected scientists and peer reviewed science. The sources you mention are media & Bill Nye is a science communicator.

[Brewdog]

I believe the Global Warming and Cooling are all lies designed to take more money from the working poor. The educational system has no answers, most are cover ups for what don't know. Academia can only profess what they've been taught. There is no wisdom or vision in what they say. They cover up the Nephilim as if thousands and thousands of giants were not discovered across America and other nations. This nation adopted the Darwin theories to replace holy scripture as truth. Millions of year ago and what happened only God has answers for.

Just like the latest Social Security cuts to fund Obama No-Care programs. In the end of all this are carbon coupons that if you buy and trade enough, you or your company gets perks and government forgiveness for a heavy carbon foot print. In 40 years or less all the people promoting this nonsense will be dead and gone. Hoping all of their works will get them favor and a heavenly seat. Let's hope they found Jesus before they leave this earth. Eternity is a long time. Now that's something you can take to the bank.

[luckyluciano]

"the crazy global warming hoax"

Try spanking this guy........


https://youtu.be/cjxJsltLDrw

[Verismo]

The earth is a self sustaining, self cleansing body whether it's Mt. St. Helels or Mt. Pinatubo, Kuwaiti oil fires or 6 billion people breaking wind at the same time, don't put a dent. We couldn't destroy this planet if we tried to as the earth will be here long after we cease to exist. And now a word from our First Lady:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9IXS8Aum0


All due respect intended here, I disagree with you completely. The human body is also self-sustaining in many ways, but if you throw enough sugar into it, insulin production will be thrown off, and it will die. All bodies and ecosystems are like this. They have a tipping point, past which is a rapid onset of decay or entropy, or death.

The above is common sense. But there is also an overwhelming amount of data that corroborates the fact that anthropogenically introduced CO2 is the volume dial that is currently heating up the Earth.

For the rest of you, if you want to have a debate on the science, then let's do that. But please be aware that the I.P.C.C. is made up of a large body of scientists from all over the world, and they have amassed quite a bit of research that backs up the above assertions.

We need to get off our asses and be vigilant about this and damn quickly if you ask me.

Jason

[taxfree4]

All due respect intended here, I disagree with you completely. The human body is also self-sustaining in many ways, but if you throw enough sugar into it, insulin production will be thrown off, and it will die. All bodies and ecosystems are like this. They have a tipping point, past which is a rapid onset of decay or entropy, or death.

The above is common sense. But there is also an overwhelming amount of data that corroborates the fact that anthropogenically introduced CO2 is the volume dial that is currently heating up the Earth.

For the rest of you, if you want to have a debate on the science, then let's do that. But please be aware that the I.P.C.C. is made up of a large body of scientists from all over the world, and they have amassed quite a bit of research that backs up the above assertions.

We need to get off our asses and be vigilant about this and damn quickly if you ask me.

Jason

I just rolled on this, first, comparing the human body to planet earth is ludicrous, with all due respect. As global temperatures rise CO2 follows, you have it bass ackwards. The IPCC has one goal and that is to give the UN the power to tax and regulate fossil fuels and subsidize and mandate the use of alternative fuels so they have absolutely no credibility. The IPCC deliberately excluded and misrepresented climate information in their report which was eviscerated point by point.

IPCC: “Risk of death, injury, and disrupted livelihoods in low-lying coastal zones and small island developing states, due to sea-level rise, coastal flooding, and storm surges.”

NIPCC: “Flood frequency and severity in many areas of the world were higher historically during the Little Ice Age and other cool eras than during the twentieth century. Climate change ranks well below other contributors, such as dikes and levee construction, to increased flooding.”

IPCC: “Risk of food insecurity linked to warming, drought, and precipitation variability, particularly for poorer populations.”

NIPCC: “There is little or no risk of increasing food insecurity due to global warming or rising atmospheric CO2 levels. Farmers and others who depend on rural livelihoods for income are benefitting from rising agricultural productivity throughout the world, including in parts of Asia and Africa where the need for increased food supplies is most critical. Rising temperatures and atmospheric CO2 levels play a key role in the realization of such benefits.

IPCC: “Risk of severe harm for large urban populations due to inland flooding.”

NIPCC: “No changes in precipitation patterns, snow, monsoons, or river flows that might be considered harmful to human well-being or plants or wildlife have been observed that could be attributed to rising CO2 levels. What changes have been observed tend to be beneficial.”

IPCC: “Risk of loss of rural livelihoods and income due to insufficient access to drinking and irrigation water and reduced agricultural productivity, particularly for farmers and pastoralists with minimal capital in semi-arid regions.”

NIPCC: “Higher atmospheric CO2 concentrations benefit plant growth-promoting microorganisms that help land plants overcome drought conditions, a potentially negative aspect of future climate change. Continued atmospheric CO2 enrichment should prove to be a huge benefit to plants by directly enhancing their growth rates and water use efficiencies.”

IPCC: “Systemic risks due to extreme [weather] events leading to breakdown of infrastructure networks and critical services.”

NIPCC: “There is no support for the model-based projection that precipitation in a warming world becomes more variable and intense. In fact, some observational data suggest just the opposite, and provide support for the proposition that precipitation responds more to cyclical variation


BTW, every one of Al Gore's predictions: new ice age in Europe, massive floods in China, India, and other areas went belly up except the prediction he'd make a LOT of $ off the hoax. As far as a gaggle of scientists backing this farce, sure, because if you want that grant money you had better play along or your department will be gone.

[BIGLRY]

I just rolled on this, first, comparing the human body to planet earth is ludicrous, with all due respect. As global temperatures rise CO2 follows, you have it bass ackwards. The IPCC has one goal and that is to give the UN the power to tax and regulate fossil fuels and subsidize and mandate the use of alternative fuels so they have absolutely no credibility. The IPCC deliberately excluded and misrepresented climate information in their report which was eviscerated point by point.

IPCC: “Risk of death, injury, and disrupted livelihoods in low-lying coastal zones and small island developing states, due to sea-level rise, coastal flooding, and storm surges.”

NIPCC: “Flood frequency and severity in many areas of the world were higher historically during the Little Ice Age and other cool eras than during the twentieth century. Climate change ranks well below other contributors, such as dikes and levee construction, to increased flooding.”

IPCC: “Risk of food insecurity linked to warming, drought, and precipitation variability, particularly for poorer populations.”

NIPCC: “There is little or no risk of increasing food insecurity due to global warming or rising atmospheric CO2 levels. Farmers and others who depend on rural livelihoods for income are benefitting from rising agricultural productivity throughout the world, including in parts of Asia and Africa where the need for increased food supplies is most critical. Rising temperatures and atmospheric CO2 levels play a key role in the realization of such benefits.

IPCC: “Risk of severe harm for large urban populations due to inland flooding.”

NIPCC: “No changes in precipitation patterns, snow, monsoons, or river flows that might be considered harmful to human well-being or plants or wildlife have been observed that could be attributed to rising CO2 levels. What changes have been observed tend to be beneficial.”

IPCC: “Risk of loss of rural livelihoods and income due to insufficient access to drinking and irrigation water and reduced agricultural productivity, particularly for farmers and pastoralists with minimal capital in semi-arid regions.”

NIPCC: “Higher atmospheric CO2 concentrations benefit plant growth-promoting microorganisms that help land plants overcome drought conditions, a potentially negative aspect of future climate change. Continued atmospheric CO2 enrichment should prove to be a huge benefit to plants by directly enhancing their growth rates and water use efficiencies.”

IPCC: “Systemic risks due to extreme [weather] events leading to breakdown of infrastructure networks and critical services.”

NIPCC: “There is no support for the model-based projection that precipitation in a warming world becomes more variable and intense. In fact, some observational data suggest just the opposite, and provide support for the proposition that precipitation responds more to cyclical variation


BTW, every one of Al Gore's predictions: new ice age in Europe, massive floods in China, India, and other areas went belly up except the prediction he'd make a LOT of $ off the hoax. As far as a gaggle of scientists backing this farce, sure, because if you want that grant money you had better play along or your department will be gone.
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[dadeo]

Why bother? Nobody's changing anyone's mind. I am long past believing that I can convince anyone who has picked a side already on this issue.

But carbon dioxide is increasing, and the world is getting warmer. I don't know if its a correlation or causation. Do any of you really know?

What I do know is that when we burn stuff we pollute the atmosphere. We add tons of carbon dioxide. Many well meaning scientists think that CO2 is not good for you. At high enough concentrations it is not good. So the less we add to the atmosphere the better.

And if you don't think we can harm the earth, you ought to seriously take a look at how much of its land we now occupy with our billions. Take a look at the east coast of the USA, CA, the mid west to Chicago, Florida, Western Europe, China, India etc. Take a serious look at the NASA images of Earth at night. It gives you a real perspective on how much of this planet is lighted up by us... Its amazing how much of the habitable portion of the planet we occupy. Color enhanced images also show how much of our land is in fire, or involved in burning off fossil fuels.

So, no I don't KNOW for sure if Global warming is being caused by humans. But I do know that IF in 70 years the doomsayers turn out to be right.... my kids will be screwed, and my generation will have not even have tried to stop it. Not tried and failed. Not turned out to have been wrong in trying to stop it.... But done nothing to reduce pollution, because we chose to "risk it".

Thats pretty stupid in my book.

[ths61]

Here is how much Al Gore believes in Glow-Bull-Warming, Green Energy, Low Carbon Footprints and Rising Seas from melting polar caps.

This is his OCEAN SIDE (note: rising seas) Montecito, CA mansion.

Notice all of the sweet invisible green SOLAR ENERGY PANELS on the roof of his ocean side mansion that will soon be under water ?

I count at least 4 wood-burning-carbon-green-house-gas-producing fireplaces.

Nothing says credibility and sincerity like practicing what you preach.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Al+Gore+Al+Tipper+Gore+New+House+Montecito+ykgjWdg 85ZEl.jpg

[Ewreck]

Why bother? Nobody's changing anyone's mind. I am long past believing that I can convince anyone who has picked a side already on this issue.

But carbon dioxide is increasing, and the world is getting warmer. I don't know if its a correlation or causation. Do any of you really know?

What I do know is that when we burn stuff we pollute the atmosphere. We add tons of carbon dioxide. Many well meaning scientists think that CO2 is not good for you. At high enough concentrations it is not good. So the less we add to the atmosphere the better.

And if you don't think we can harm the earth, you ought to seriously take a look at how much of its land we now occupy with our billions. Take a look at the east coast of the USA, CA, the mid west to Chicago, Florida, Western Europe, China, India etc. Take a serious look at the NASA images of Earth at night. It gives you a real perspective on how much of this planet is lighted up by us... Its amazing how much of the habitable portion of the planet we occupy. Color enhanced images also show how much of our land is in fire, or involved in burning off fossil fuels.

So, no I don't KNOW for sure if Global warming is being caused by humans. But I do know that IF in 70 years the doomsayers turn out to be right.... my kids will be screwed, and my generation will have not even have tried to stop it. Not tried and failed. Not turned out to have been wrong in trying to stop it.... But done nothing to reduce pollution, because we chose to "risk it".

Thats pretty stupid in my book.
C02 not good for you? You do understand without it life doesn't even exist. If you have quotes from actual scientists who said that, talk about stupid. If you believe the planet has ever been in an ice age, use your logic to explain how earth came out of it. The path to hell is always paved with good intentions so no, please don't encourage any government to hunt unicorns on my dime.

[dadeo]

C02 not good for you? You do understand without it life doesn't even exist. If you have quotes from actual scientists who said that, talk about stupid. If you believe the planet has ever been in an ice age, use your logic to explain how earth came out of it. The path to hell is always paved with good intentions so no, please don't encourage any government to hunt unicorns on my dime.

What a stupid uneducated biased response. Your statement is almost verbatum out of the denier handbook, courtesy of the Koch Bros.

If CO2 is so good for you, why don't you try breathing it at high concentrations sometime?

CO2 is necessary for PLANT life, and plants don't need more than VERY LOW LOW LEVELS in our atmosphere. Like less thn 1%. At higher concentrations IT IS POISON. You can't breath it at a certain level and its greenhouse effect is well docmnented in experiments, and has been for 100+ years.

If you If don't think CO2 can be harmful to human health at pretty low levels, ask the guys in who rode Apollo 13 back to earth, who had to figure out away to filter CO2 out of the ship. (You DO believe that Americans went to the moon don't you?) Note: they had plenty of oxygen. CO2 was the issue.

Like I said in my original post: Deniers would rather risk our future than take reasonable acts to reduce pollution and make our planet healthier. I'd rather risk paying now to reduce our use of coal, gas and other polluting fuels in favor of solar, wind, and yes even nuclear power (if we can fitgure out how do so safely). Deniers are not conservatives, not in the traditional, historic sense of the word. They are stupid.

[ths61]

What do you think makes O2 and why does it REQUIRE CO2 ? It used to be common knowledge for school children that O2 and CO2 was the cycle of life here on planet Earth. Ever notice how Glow-Bull-Warmin's fanatics now use the term "CARBON FOOTPRINT" instead of "CO2 FOOTPRINT"? It is to make public erroneously think CO2 is actually poison, like carbon monoxide (CO), which it is not.

Here is some more information on Glow-Bull-Warmin's CHIEF PROFIT (with an f $$$, not a prophet).

"... Al Gore's used over 20 times more energy to power his [Nashville, TN] home for a year than the average American, according to a report published on Wednesday. [NOTE: This does NOT include his other properties or vehicles.]

The National Center for Public Policy Research reported that Gore's Nashville home used a total of 230,889 kilowatt hours of electricity from August 2016 to July 2017. The average U.S. residential utility customer used 10,812 kWh in 2015, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. ..."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/al-gore-used-over-20-times-more-energy-to-power-his-home-for-a-year-than-the-average-american-report/article/2630475

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What a stupid uneducated biased response. Your statement is almost verbatum out of the denier handbook, courtesy of the Koch Bros.

If CO2 is so good for you, why don't you try breathing it at high concentrations sometime?

CO2 is necessary for PLANT life, and plants don't need more than VERY LOW LOW LEVELS in our atmosphere. Like less thn 1%. At higher concentrations IT IS POISON. You can't breath it at a certain level and its greenhouse effect is well docmnented in experiments, and has been for 100+ years.

If you If don't think CO2 can be harmful to human health at pretty low levels, ask the guys in who rode Apollo 13 back to earth, who had to figure out away to filter CO2 out of the ship. (You DO believe that Americans went to the moon don't you?) Note: they had plenty of oxygen. CO2 was the issue.

Like I said in my original post: Deniers would rather risk our future than take reasonable acts to reduce pollution and make our planet healthier. I'd rather risk paying now to reduce our use of coal, gas and other polluting fuels in favor of solar, wind, and yes even nuclear power (if we can fitgure out how do so safely). Deniers are not conservatives, not in the traditional, historic sense of the word. They are stupid.

[ths61]

LOL, you learn something every day. When will the Martians learn about Martian made Glow-Bull-Warmins ???



...5) Why are the Martian polar caps shrinking?
...

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[dadeo]

blah, blah, blah yeah, we all know how you feel about Al Gore.

Any one with a clue knows that nobody's breathing CO2 but plants. And anyone who went to college and/or took a basic earth science course knows that CO2 is natuarally less than 1% of the atmosphere, but its been rising rapidly in the last 100 years. And coincidentially (?) temps seem to be rising too.

If I am wrong we have have wasted billions of dollars. If you are wrong, your grandkids will be spending trillions and will be really screwed, not to mention likely loss of life. But why should you care? You won't be around. You obviously prefer to put your grandchildren at risk than inconvience yourself today to reduce or prevent what most scientists see coming. Your shelfishness and shortsidedness is showing.

As I said, its impossible to change a Denier's mind. They just don't want to listen. You are no better than the morons who don't believe that men went to the moon in 1969-1972.

[ths61]

I am afraid you are worshiping a Glow-Bull-Warmins FALSE PROFIT. Feel free to give him all of your $$$ to the global scam, but not mine.

With no CO2, there would be no O2 and then where would your grandkids be ? Without plants and plankton, your grandkids would have no food.

FYI, BHO has already blown BILLION$$$ of taxpayer money on green energy fraud and political kickbacks. The total economic cost of the Paris Climate Accord to the U.S. would approach $3 trillion in lost gross domestic product and 6.5 million industrial jobs. I hope you do realize it is a scam.

Obama’s Forced Taxpayer-Backed Green Energy Failures

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)


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[ths61]

It has to hurt when the critic's book that debunks your Glow-Bull-Wamins diatribe is outselling your sacred fabricated text.

Climatologist Calls Out 'False Claims' & 'Erroneous Information' in New Al Gore Film

"... Blaming naturally occurring events on mankind ..."

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/06/al-gore-inconvenient-sequel-climate-change-debunked-scientist-roy-spencer

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[taxfree4]

Prediction:
http://scienceline.org/2008/12/ask-rettner-sea-level-rise-al-gore-an-inconvenient-truth/

Inconvenient Truth @20 foot rise in sea levels, IPCC 2 feet rise in sea levels

Truth:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-26-nasa-confirms-sea-levels-have-been-falling-across-the-planet-for-two-years-media-silent.html

Goreisms:

"In particular, we have vastly increased the amount of carbon dioxide--the most important of the so-called greenhouse gases." (p. 25)

While "most important" is a subjective term, the implication that most of the existing greenhouse effect is due to CO2 is false: water vapor is the source of most of the existing greenhouse effect.

"The problem we now face is that this thin layer of atmosphere is being thickened by huge quantities of human-caused carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases." (p. 27)

The Earth's atmosphere is not thicker as a result of increased greenhouse gases; rather, the effects of changes in these gases are associated with the different absorptive properties of these minor constituents.

"We have already begun to see the kind of heatwaves that scientists say will become much more common if global warming is not addressed. In the summer of 2003 Europe was hit by a massive heatwave that killed 35,000 people." (p. 75)

This death toll is dominated by 14,082 deaths in France and 4,000 in Italy, both calculated by comparing observed deaths in August 2003 to what would "normally be expected" (UNEP, 2004); these deaths, predominantly among the elderly, have not been individually attributed to heat-related causes. The French government in particular offered these precise estimates after initially stating that there was no accurate way of measuring deaths from the heat.

"There has also been record flooding in China, which, as one of the planet's oldest civilizations, keeps the best flood records of any nation in the world." (p. 112)

Jiang et al., 2005, examined Chinese flood records for the Yangtze Delta from 1000 AD to the present and found the frequency of large floods was greatest from about 1500 to 1700


"A new scientific study shows that, for the first time, polar bears have been drowning in significant numbers." (p. 147)
The "significant numbers" are four drowned polar bears observed in 2004

"Once the sea-based ice shelf was gone, the land-based ice... began to shift and fall into the sea... This is one of the reasons sea levels have been rising worldwide..." (p. 184)

Current sea level rise, estimated at 2.8 centimeters per decade, is mostly attributed to thermal expansion of the oceans.

I could go on and on but you get the picture. People like "lazy news" where at dinner parties, get togethers, or forums, spout a headline here or a catch phrase there, however, those of us who like facts and data can refute their junk science every single time. When you do it becomes personal for obvious reasons - they have no data on their side. No sea levels rising, no spiking and sustained temperatures, Greenland not melting and no cataclysmic happenings ONLY predictions. Environmental boogey men that hide behind that tree they're hugging to spout the cause-du-jour to make themselves FEEL important, superior and likable to their like-minded buddies. One thing-that shit don't work here, unfortunately for them the majority of F6B owners are comprised of intellectuals who don't fall for this bullshit. Your best bet is to peddle this bullshit somewhere else as it IS falling on deaf ears. The only guys to buy this stuff are hipsters, metrosexuals and those, like pro-abortion guys, who need to or else they won't get laid.

[ths61]

If California is such a GREEN STATE controlled by the GREEN SUPER-MAJORITY D'RAT party, why is 8 of the 10 most polluted cities in the USA located in California under GREEN D'RAT control with the most regulation, restrictions, taxes and fees ???

Kind of makes you wonder if you think about it. Can you say SCAM ???

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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/2-charts-that-put-the-chinese-pollution-problem-in-perspective/360868/

[dadeo]

Like I said there is no convincing the Denier.. You'd rather listen to Koch and the coal polluters. You'd rather continue to pollute, and put your kids at risk, post stupid cartoons, and listen to those whose current business model is at risk from cutting gas, oil and coal use.

You and I will not ever know which of us is right. But consider this: If we continue on the path we are on, and global warming is happening, our kids are screwed. If you are right and we reduced coal, gas and oil use, we still have cleaner air for our kids. What do we lose by cutting oil, gas, and coal use? A few dirty jobs? A slightly bigger tax bill?

But you'd rather risk our kids.

You prefer dirty air from gasoline, coal and oil energy burnig.

Looks like you are winning the political war in the USA, but the rest of the world is going to move out in front of us with advanced no polluting energy. If we are lucky the USA will benefit from being a free loader, as the rest of the world cleans up the air, but as the rest of the world modeninzes, we will be left behind with high polluting infrastructure and costs.

Yeah, but you prefer risking your kids. And you prefer taking a risk that the USA be poorer and dirtier in the future instead of investing modenizing its energy production into clean sources.

Sounds pretty stupid to me, but I am a kind of risk averse when it comes to global disaster.

[dadeo]

OH, the girl is kind of hot in a stanky sort way. Thanks for that!

[taxfree4]

God love those Koch Bros.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/think-electric-cars-are-truly-green-not-if-their-power-comes-from-coal/

[ths61]

You sound really naive. You are trading one CO2 footprint for a much more costly one with a PC label, "but for the kids". You are raping the taxpayers to subsidize Musk to make electric cars and then subsidize the rich to buy 6-figure cars that would never survive the private market place. Same as all of BHO's green energy taxpayer ripoffs that you conveniently overlooked.

With all of the TRILLION$$$ that BHO added to the national debt, your grandkids won't get out of debtors prison until they are dead. How will they afford higher taxes for PC frauds ?

Tesla/Musk never met a taxpayer he didn't like. Taxpayers are being forced to fund his business and then fund the sales of his products. Without forced taxpayer funding, his faux green products would be dead in the 3rd world strip mines. I hope POTUS Trump stops his funding and makes him run his business like the rest of have to do, on its own merit. The only thing green about his products is his paychecks.

Tesla’s Electric Cars Aren’t as Green as You Might Think

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/

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[willtill]

'popcorn and coke'

[ths61]

I am seeking Federal Funding to finish development and deployments on my perpetual motion generators to provide free sustainable green energy to the world for the children. It is called the Affordable Carbon Alternative (ACA). If you like your car, you can keep car by replacing it's engine with the Free ACA for the affordable nominal price of a 30 year second mortgage on your home. I promise, it will not cost you "ONE THIN DIME". Since you will no longer be using fossil fuels, annual mileage fair share taxes and fees "may" apply.

http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/screen-shot-2014-09-08-at-11-15-13-am.png

[willtill]

I am seeking Federal Funding to finish development and deployments on my perpetual motion generators to provide free sustainable green energy to the world for the children. It is called the Affordable Carbon Alternative (ACA). If you like your car, you can keep car by replacing it's engine with the Free ACA for the affordable nominal price of a 30 year second mortgage on your home. I promise, it will not cost you "ONE THIN DIME". Since you will no longer be using fossil fuels, annual mileage fair share taxes and fees "may" apply.

http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/screen-shot-2014-09-08-at-11-15-13-am.png

Does that involve fat people pedaling that? :shhh:

Win.... win... :icon_mrgreen:

[Verismo]

The mechanism by which CO2 traps heat is not controversial. It's basically opaque to thermal radiation, meaning--the ultraviolet light from the sun can pass through it, but the thermal radiation reflected from the Earth is trapped by it. Just like a tarp over a greenhouse, it traps heat, thus the name greenhouse gas. If this is 3rd grade science to readers, forgive me, but that part of it is really that simple. Methane actually warms even more than CO2, but we pump vastly less of the stuff out, and it's life is much shorter. So it has an intense but short(er) lived effect. Water vapor is the most prolific greenhouse gas, and there is a natural feedback mechanism between CO2 and water vapor, which is why I referred to CO2 as a volume dial. Because we humans control a very important variable in the CO2/water vapor loop. If you don't understand that as a basic fact, then you also don't understand that we have at least some say in how to turn the volume down, so to speak, although the control is not precise and we will presumably have less of it the longer we put this off.

You made the claim, "As global temperatures rise CO2 follows." Well, sorta. You're not wrong that the data shows the spherical/elliptical pattern/proximity to the sun causes an initial rise in temperature, and we've observed that in the past, but you're missing a huge part of the picture. Once the Earth warms a little, more CO2 is released from the oceans and it's AFTER this influx of CO2 that 90% of the warming in past periods has occurred. In other words, the Milankovitch cycle (spherical/elliptical/precessional rotation) doesn't have the energy to account for 90% of the warming, it's the CO2 forcing that does. Then, over an enormously long time scale, rock weathering puts the CO2 back into the oceans, and voila, cooling. Another feedback effect. Fast forward to modern times and therein lies the rub. We're artificially pumping out scads of CO2 and the Earth's natural mechanisms for filtering it out, which have taken thousands of years to do so in the past, are being relied on to do the same job in hundreds. So it's not just the warming that's a problem. It's the rate of warming and the fact that we're accelerating CO2 output with little regard for the long term.

My opinions about the above facts:

1. Armed with these facts alone, one should be on his guard about emissions, not just because that's what the industrialized world pumps into the atmosphere at an alarming and accelerating rate, but because prior to green(ish) energy, that's what businesses have to do to turn a profit. It doesn't mean people are evil that businesses' primary objective is to turn a profit, but it does mean that without some sort of regulation, there can be, by definition, no incentive to draw down on CO2 emissions to a level below the profit margin of a business.

2. Poor people get screwed first and the worst from everything. Including climate change. This is partially why this is a humanitarian issue. I've seen this recently down here in Texas. In Houston and Rockport, which just got their asses handed to them by Hurricane Harvey, the poor people fared the worst. This is partly due to the fact that the poorer areas in Houston, for example, also had the worst water drainage and infrastructure. But it's really just common sense. If you are poor and barely have the resources to deal with life, and some disaster comes along and wipes out what little you have, then you are fucked. And that's just Texas poor. The world's poor are REMARKABLY poorer than that. By the way, I'm not claiming that the hurricanes were directly due to climate change, and you should be skeptical of anyone claiming a direct link in that way without an incredible amount of data. However, the severity of hurricanes should increase with a warmer climate and higher sea levels. Harvey had record breaking rainfall and Irma had record breaking sustained winds. So you should also be skeptical of blowhards that seem proud to dismiss correlation or causality out of hand.


Jason

[taxfree4]

The mechanism by which CO2 traps heat is not controversial. It's basically opaque to thermal radiation, meaning--the ultraviolet light from the sun can pass through it, but the thermal radiation reflected from the Earth is trapped by it. Just like a tarp over a greenhouse, it traps heat, thus the name greenhouse gas. If this is 3rd grade science to readers, forgive me, but that part of it is really that simple. Methane actually warms even more than CO2, but we pump vastly less of the stuff out, and it's life is much shorter. So it has an intense but short(er) lived effect. Water vapor is the most prolific greenhouse gas, and there is a natural feedback mechanism between CO2 and water vapor, which is why I referred to CO2 as a volume dial. Because we humans control a very important variable in the CO2/water vapor loop. If you don't understand that as a basic fact, then you also don't understand that we have at least some say in how to turn the volume down, so to speak, although the control is not precise and we will presumably have less of it the longer we put this off.

You made the claim, "As global temperatures rise CO2 follows." Well, sorta. You're not wrong that the data shows the spherical/elliptical pattern/proximity to the sun causes an initial rise in temperature, and we've observed that in the past, but you're missing a huge part of the picture. Once the Earth warms a little, more CO2 is released from the oceans and it's AFTER this influx of CO2 that 90% of the warming in past periods has occurred. In other words, the Milankovitch cycle (spherical/elliptical/precessional rotation) doesn't have the energy to account for 90% of the warming, it's the CO2 forcing that does. Then, over an enormously long time scale, rock weathering puts the CO2 back into the oceans, and voila, cooling. Another feedback effect. Fast forward to modern times and therein lies the rub. We're artificially pumping out scads of CO2 and the Earth's natural mechanisms for filtering it out, which have taken thousands of years to do so in the past, are being relied on to do the same job in hundreds. So it's not just the warming that's a problem. It's the rate of warming and the fact that we're accelerating CO2 output with little regard for the long term.

My opinions about the above facts:

1. Armed with these facts alone, one should be on his guard about emissions, not just because that's what the industrialized world pumps into the atmosphere at an alarming and accelerating rate, but because prior to green(ish) energy, that's what businesses have to do to turn a profit. It doesn't mean people are evil that businesses' primary objective is to turn a profit, but it does mean that without some sort of regulation, there can be, by definition, no incentive to draw down on CO2 emissions to a level below the profit margin of a business.

2. Poor people get screwed first and the worst from everything. Including climate change. This is partially why this is a humanitarian issue. I've seen this recently down here in Texas. In Houston and Rockport, which just got their asses handed to them by Hurricane Harvey, the poor people fared the worst. This is partly due to the fact that the poorer areas in Houston, for example, also had the worst water drainage and infrastructure. But it's really just common sense. If you are poor and barely have the resources to deal with life, and some disaster comes along and wipes out what little you have, then you are fucked. And that's just Texas poor. The world's poor are REMARKABLY poorer than that. By the way, I'm not claiming that the hurricanes were directly due to climate change, and you should be skeptical of anyone claiming a direct link in that way without an incredible amount of data. However, the severity of hurricanes should increase with a warmer climate and higher sea levels. Harvey had record breaking rainfall and Irma had record breaking sustained winds. So you should also be skeptical of blowhards that seem proud to dismiss correlation or causality out of hand.


Jason


Lots of information there very impressive, all backloaded, but the theory never pans out and the hopeful and wishful predictions that it does are wrong over and over again. That is why you need regulations to cripple the industries that deliver traditional fuel while forcing taxpayers to subsidize these coal burning electric cars nobody wants, except for a couple of Hollywood liberals and East Coast hipsters. This is just a ploy to implement this carbon tax bullshit by an international organization, the UN (disguised), on American industry. Chief Justice John Marshall said "The power to tax is the power to destroy" and the enemies of the free market know this very well. Businesses primary objective IS to turn a profit, unless you're CNN.

You give me science as an answer to data, I live in NYC so I've heard it all. As soon as the theory is proven wrong, again and again, the children and the poor are marched in. You have to go out of your way to be poor in America, you want to see poor go to rural China, talk about emissions, where people dig up roots of trees to boil and make soup with no indoor plumbing. I've got 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients, grandmothers at 30 y.o., who have no desire to work, EVER not far from me. As far as my grandchildren and succeeding generations they'll be fine as the earth will be here long after they're gone.

The religion of environmentalism has a rabid following and, like many religions, think theirs is the only way to salvation. And just like any other religious discussion you're not going to make any converts here, there are no epiphanies. There is no gray area here, you either accept Al Gore as your pope or you don't and I can only speak for myself - I'm a Pope Francis guy, although I'd prefer a traditionalist like Pius XII. So if the seas rise 20 ft. from the ice in Greenland melting, I live on the ocean so I'll know immediately, let's hope I have enough time to hop on my F6B, no it didn't sell yet and I am NOT lowering the price, and head inland, I'm thinking Utah.

[Verismo]

I've never seen the Al Gore documentary. I don't get my information on science from politicians just like I don't get information about water cooled horizontally opposed six cylinder engines from Harley Davidson riders.

Jason

[taxfree4]

I've never seen the Al Gore documentary. I don't get my information on science from politicians just like I don't get information about water cooled horizontally opposed six cylinder engines from Harley Davidson riders.

Jason

Good that makes two of us, and like a good F6B rider you picked this bike and this forum to stay away from Harley's, and global warming, HOT AIR.

[Verismo]

Good that makes two of us, and like a good F6B rider you picked this bike and this forum to stay away from Harley's, and global warming, HOT AIR.

Lol, it's a fine bike indeed, but since you didn't really address much less refute any of the facts I listed and find persuasive, I think I'll continue following the evidence rather than take your word for it.

Didn't you say something about not liking dogma... Besides the B, there's another thing we have in common.

:cheers:

Jason

[taxfree4]

Lol, it's a fine bike indeed, but since you didn't really address much less refute any of the facts I listed and find persuasive, I think I'll continue following the evidence rather than take your word for it.

Didn't you say something about not liking dogma... Besides the B, there's another thing we have in common.

:cheers:

Jason

When you present data i.e. a permanent rise in minimum sea levels as a result of warming of the earth and melting of the ice caps (instead of lowering because of larger masses of ice) or permanent rise in ambient temperatures or whatever wacky predictions you were spoon-fed, which have been proven wrong over and over again, instead of a pseudo-science lesson then we'll have a discussion. You really should try the cafe racer forum to peddle this hogwash as I believe the hipster obssession with those bikes are still a thing and they'll eat this "calamity-du-jour" up lox, scone and barrel. And in honor of the great Donald J. Trump relaxing the restrictions on coal production I'm leaving all my lights on today so that electrical plant will need more coal to generate the electricity. I want to bring awareness, turn a light on, for the environmental jack booted thugs who look to assassinate American business by false claims. Call me the Colin Kapernick of fossil fuel.