Possible prototype pic of new F6B?

[Jimmytee]

Saw this on Facebook. Looks like it has the newly talked about front end that has been talked about among other things.

https://i.imgur.com/4qvylQF.jpg

[Bryster]

Saw this on Facebook. Looks like it has the newly talked about front end that has been talked about among other things.

https://i.imgur.com/4qvylQF.jpg

Man... that looks nice.. if it was real, well....

[LA Weld]

I like it, We can only hope!:clap2:

[speedjunkie]

Sexy! Much better than the Beemer!





Mike

[JackB]

I would buy that

[DaWadd]

That is nice. I'd buy it."coffee"

[Bighutch14]

That looks good. Hope this is the year and we are not all disappointed.

[vmaxed]

'all/right' I like it

[Circle-5]

I WANT!

[Jayrock]

Circular driving lights again.... after all the fuss over the newer rectangular ones.

[98valk]

There is also a picture of the cockpit of the new wing. It looks pretty cool.

Does this link work? Maybe someone could post the pic?

http://www.hondagw1800.com/ALL/gw_cluster.jpg

[Walcrow]

Unfortunately, the link works............now I want whatever arrives. All they need to do at the factory is do a "Helibar" look-alike.

I'd like to see the engine bumped up to 2400cc..........the recessed passenger floorboards look nice. Drool is starting to drip on the keyboard.

Most likely a nice well-done Photoshop rendition of a "maybe" Wing and B.


The waiting begins???? :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

The link above of the cockpit appears to have on the right handlebar two buttons.......D and N....looks like an automatic trans to me and no clutch fluid container on the left. They must have copied my old Guzzi-matic and also it looks like the button left of the N and D appears to be M. Looks like that could be a manual override-type paddle shifter button. Hit M at the light and take off and shift with the D ??????????

[Jimmytee]

https://i.imgur.com/YYR56s7.jpg

[stepbill]

Guess it's just me but I don't like it. Too me it's getting away from what a motorcycle looks like!

[Jimmytee]

Guess it's just me but I don't like it. Too me it's getting away from what a motorcycle looks like!

Guess I don't get it. Doesn't look any further from "what a motorcycle looks like" than the current model.:shrug:

[Fingerz]

I like that a lot. One can only hope!

[unsub]

yes it looks nice if it's accurate, or at least 50% accurate.

I've thought all along it would be a slight shelter design change (and colors) and updated electronics and led lighting. Same motor and frame etc...is my guess. But let's see what we get...

Part of my worry if you like, is that the buttons and switches - if upgraded - will have shitty tactile feedback and poor finish like the CTX 1300's. That would suck.

While still a mystery, I wonder if any of the new models of Goldwing will have a large part of their electronic switches and wiring out-sourced to China then assembled in Japan?

[TandemGeek]

All kinds of what ifs and artists concepts out there...

http://sukses2018.club/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2018-honda-goldwing-release-date.jpg

[billsim]

https://i.imgur.com/YYR56s7.jpg

I really like it!
I would be interested if they look like this.

[stepbill]

Guess I don't get it. Doesn't look any further from "what a motorcycle looks like" than the current model.:shrug:

I don't like the dash inlay. It looks like an aircraft cockpit. I also don't like the design of the front end to include the headlights and the turn signal housing. Like I said, this is just my opinion.

[Davidk]

I'm in if it has reverse!

[98valk]

https://i.imgur.com/YYR56s7.jpg

Thanks JimmyTee!

This picture looks real to me. No artist rendition. If it is a prototype, I bet it is darn close to final. Looks Great to me! Adjustable bars would be nice. Maybe they are ...

Oct 24th :popcorn:

[Jimmytee]

Thanks JimmyTee!

This picture looks real to me. No artist rendition. If it is a prototype, I bet it is darn close to final. Looks Great to me! Adjustable bars would be nice. Maybe they are ...

Oct 24th :popcorn:

I'm already plotting the purchase. :icon_biggrin:

I keep telling myself I am so happy with mine. Which I really am, but I am lusting after these pics. If I get some info that there is 120 or more horses from the new power plant to the ground , I will be done.

[Verismo]

Thanks JimmyTee!

This picture looks real to me. No artist rendition. If it is a prototype, I bet it is darn close to final. Looks Great to me! Adjustable bars would be nice. Maybe they are ...

Oct 24th :popcorn:

Really? Looks shopped to me. The one of the bike looks real, but that's not to say I believe anything I see these days.

Jason

[opas ride]

I don't like the dash inlay. It looks like an aircraft cockpit. I also don't like the design of the front end to include the headlights and the turn signal housing. Like I said, this is just my opinion.

It is very difficult to please everyone as no bike, car, or truck will satisfy the fickle American customer...But if the new F6B looks as good as the picture, it has got my approval...The GW photo looks to "doctored-up" and my guess it is not anywhere what the newer generation bike will look like..Don't really care as my current F6B is most likely my last bike as I will be 78 in a couple months and see no need for another ride.....Ride safe

[Bryster]

https://tinyurl.com/ybqxpkdg

https://tinyurl.com/ybv47ywp

https://tinyurl.com/y7wxx2nf

https://tinyurl.com/ya3dlaj3

Hmm may have to click on the links but the naked font does look interesting!

[Jhox]

https://tinyurl.com/ybqxpkdg

https://tinyurl.com/ybv47ywp

https://tinyurl.com/y7wxx2nf

https://tinyurl.com/ya3dlaj3

Hmm may have to click on the links but the naked font does look interesting!

Appears both the F6B and the Wing may have an auto transmission - no clutch lever.

[Walcrow]

That cockpit looks like it has some "Bavarian" influence to me..........not complaining one bit. If it has an automatic/manual, maybe the paddle shifter is down there by the left toes, similar to the new Beemers. :stirthepot:

https://scontent.fper1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21616012_1867456153270060_7332045600669540124_n.jp g?oh=d2ceb308991597bde2e10d63c4c20615&oe=5A5AFDF9 ......this image sure doesn't look photo-chopped to me. Looks like the real deal.

[jm21ddd15]

Looks good, but I'm old school, and I won't buy a bike with out a clutch. JMO

[F6B1911]

There were quite a few comments here about the F6B being discontinued.....I wasn't on that boat.
With the new Yamaha Transcontinental and the BMW K1600B, you gotta think Honda wanted to keep themselves in the bagger market.
With no 2017 F6B model on the US Honda Motorsports website, you knew it was only a matter of time for them to release something new.
The GoldWing has too long of a history walk away from, The F6B and F6C require little investment from Honda once the GoldWing is redone.

I'll hazard a guess that we'll see a new GL and F6B before the end of the year, and just maybe a Valkyrie as well?

[BIGLRY]

I'm already plotting the purchase. :icon_biggrin:

I keep telling myself I am so happy with mine. Which I really am, but I am lusting after these pics. If I get some info that there is 120 or more horses from the new power plant to the ground , I will be done.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hNz4g1i7hvh1JdAgXgigVw-_P-OTwtCvJFfqEaJju5oMm5jUKvdrBT-PqYPbzBjTpl8QB-Mx1A=s234http://1-2-switch.nintendo.com/assets/img/section--header/header-three/milk-pose-right.png

[Jimmytee]

There were quite a few comments here about the F6B being discontinued.....I wasn't on that boat.
With the new Yamaha Transcontinental and the BMW K1600B, you gotta think Honda wanted to keep themselves in the bagger market.
With no 2017 F6B model on the US Honda Motorsports website, you knew it was only a matter of time for them to release something new.
The GoldWing has too long of a history walk away from, The F6B and F6C require little investment from Honda once the GoldWing is redone.

I'll hazard a guess that we'll see a new GL and F6B before the end of the year, and just maybe a Valkyrie as well?

I'd have a hard time imagining them doing another Valkyrie. They almost can't give them away.
The F6B , while slow to start out in sales, I think has done quite a bit better. And if Honda had put cruise and stuff on them from the beginning, think they would have done much better from the start.

I own one of the originals and have had 2 of them. I test rode the 2014 when it came out. It was a fun ride, but couldn't see getting one over an F6B for what I would want in one. Keeping tires on them has been a challenge too from some of my friends personal experience over on the VRCC.

[austin_tech]

I like the rims, would like to see a side shot to have a better look at the front suspension/etc.

If this is the real deal the engine looks like there hasn't been any changes, only cosmetic?

Deal killer: if they blow off adding that needed 6th gear. I have been looking for it every day for nearly four years commuting to work.
Also, like others have said, I don't think I'd want an automatic.

[F6Bster]

My bet is the 3018 Gold Wing has a removable trunk, thus it becomes F6B-like. As for the size of the engine, difficult to judge from the picture. I'd like the automatic with shifter paddles for manual control. It will be expensive, so I like my F6B even more for now.

[Jimmytee]

I like the rims, would like to see a side shot to have a better look at the front suspension/etc.

If this is the real deal the engine looks like there hasn't been any changes, only cosmetic?

Deal killer: if they blow off adding that needed 6th gear. I have been looking for it every day for nearly four years commuting to work.
Also, like others have said, I don't think I'd want an automatic.

As has been repeated. the rumor is that the F6B will have a 6 spd manual and the Gold Wing a 7 spd DCT transmission. The engine and transmissions are supposed all brand new with more power and larger displacement. No specs yet

[ShanghaiDan]

My bet is the 3018 Gold Wing has a removable trunk, thus it becomes F6B-like. As for the size of the engine, difficult to judge from the picture. I'd like the automatic with shifter paddles for manual control. It will be expensive, so I like my F6B even more for now.

That's what my CTX has - automatic with shifter toggles (both on the left side). You can leave it in "auto" mode and it will choose when to shift. Or you can click to manual and you decide. Yes, you can bang the rev limiter real easy! But it also has smarts - if you slow down without downshifting it will do so before you'd bog the engine. Still need to manually upshift though (if you're in manual mode).

Nothing like having a big click off 50 msec shifts at the touch of a toggle!

I am all over this if it's what it will be. And I agree, it looks like the F6B is the GW, just without the trunk. Hopefully it's a "pop on/off" or at most "bolt on/off" part for the rear, meaning I can get the full-boat GW but only put the rear trunk on the scoot when I have a long trip or the wife comes along!

[six2go]

Looks good, but I'm old school, and I won't buy a bike with out a clutch. JMO
Better get ready to write a check cuz the DCT has 2 of 'em. :039:

I think if more people really understood the DCT they would stop calling it an "automatic". True, you can use the mode where you don't have to do anything but twist and go, but it's really a regular transmission that is electronically shifted. No slushbox with a torque converter. If you use the manual mode, you can shift at your pleasure just like the antiques, or if in sport mode it will shift for you and ya better be hanging on because it will go like hell and shift faster than a human can with a handlebar mounted lever and toe shifter.
My VW GTI has this same technology and I wouldn't want to regress to a stick or true auto. This is the performance transmission of the future. Formula 1 has been using it for awhile now.
Just offering another viewpoint. Enjoy the ride, no matter what.:biggthumpup:

[Deerkiller]

I don't know about all this DCT. I can upshift pretty damn fast with what I have now. Just don't use the clutch, preload the shifter, and blip the throttle down with the flick of a wrist. It all happens rather quickly :icon_mrgreen:

I'd rather not have it any other way. A quick shifter and an auto-blipper setup on a regular transmission would be the cats ass. Along with a slipper clutch. And more power of course.

First time I ever rode a bike with a quick shifter I went from being confused as to what just happened to having the biggest dumb grin on my face once I started using it. Pretty sure there's no faster way to go thru the gears.

[BIGLRY]

Better get ready to write a check cuz the DCT has 2 of 'em. :039:

I think if more people really understood the DCT they would stop calling it an "automatic". True, you can use the mode where you don't have to do anything but twist and go, but it's really a regular transmission that is electronically shifted. No slushbox with a torque converter. If you use the manual mode, you can shift at your pleasure just like the antiques, or if in sport mode it will shift for you and ya better be hanging on because it will go like hell and shift faster than a human can with a handlebar mounted lever and toe shifter.
My VW GTI has this same technology and I wouldn't want to regress to a stick or true auto. This is the performance transmission of the future. Formula 1 has been using it for awhile now.
Just offering another viewpoint. Enjoy the ride, no matter what.:biggthumpup:How does DCT work?
http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/detail/index.html
and
http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/
and
http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/change/index.html

Yea a lot of guys have no concept of how the DCT(Dual Clutch Transmission) really works and you are correct it can shift faster and at a better RPM that you or I ever could.
Yes, they are proven in F1 cages, a few street cages and some MC for a few years now.
There is no slip like something with a torque converter before it locks up. I think of the DCT trans as having an RPM induced, electronically activated, hydraulically operated clutch that will operate faster than me without missing a shift.
Do I want one?....... that is a debatable question, while on one hand I might get quicker 1/4 mile times, but I'm still old school and love the tactile feeling of controlling the power in my hands, but there again DCT is coming and I think we are going to see it on more steel steeds as the public gets used to it.
http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/dual-clutch-transmission-12.gif
http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/dual-clutch-transmission-10.gif
http://www.hondaprokevin.com/pictures/dct-transmission/Honda-DCT-Automatic-Motorcycle-Review-Specs-Dual-Clutch-Transmission-2.jpg

Here is another reason the DCT is becoming so popular too. you'll notice there is no big drop in the torque when shifting from first gear to second gear with a DCT system. A very smooth transition that keeps the engine's torque continuously applied.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/technical-stuff/1420444d1443404095t-ford-powershift-dual-clutch-transmission-dct-technical-overview-torque-output-mt-vs-dct.gif

[ShanghaiDan]

What the little guy right above said...:)

DCTs are used in F1, Lamborghinis, Porsches, Ferraris, and pretty much all high performance cars. They shift faster than you can (literally 20-30 milliseconds - faster than a person can react), perfectly match throttle each time, and with two clutches - it's nearly always ready for the next shift.

I have a buddy who has the same scoot as I do - a CTX700. Mine is the DCT, his is manual. He raced professionally early on, and also has a few other sports bikes (uses the CTX as a commuter). He KNOWS how to shift fast, and the CTX is a really slick shifter. He weighs 140, I'm north of 300. When we race, he pulls away every single gear - until we shift. Or rather, he shifts and my DCT does its thing. I catch and pass him every time. Then he pulls ahead a bike length, we shift, and I'm in front again until he slowly inches ahead (due to a 20% weight differential).

Out-shifting a DCT is like saying you can out-brake an ABS system. MAYBE one out of 50 times you can "beat the computer" but you're gonna lose 49 times out of 50. And seriously, the freedom from NOT having to clutch and shift (especially in traffic) is a truly amazing thing. The art of riding becomes about riding, not kicking a lever...:) Nothing better than not clutching 100 times every block in LA city traffic!

But if you don't want a DCT - looks like Honda will offer it both ways, like they do the rest of their DCT-enabled bikes!

[BIGLRY]

What the little guy right above said...:)

DCTs are used in F1, Lamborghinis, Porsches, Ferraris, and pretty much all high performance cars.
I have a buddy who has the same scoot as I do - a CTX700. Mine is the DCT, his is manual. He raced professionally early on, and also has a few other sports bikes (uses the CTX as a commuter). He KNOWS how to shift fast, and the CTX is a really slick shifter. He weighs 140, I'm north of 300. When we race, he pulls away every single gear - until we shift. Or rather, he shifts and my DCT does its thing. I catch and pass him every time. Then he pulls ahead a bike length, we shift, and I'm in front again until he slowly inches ahead (due to a 20% weight differential).

Out-shifting a DCT is like saying you can out-brake an ABS system. MAYBE one out of 50 times you can "beat the computer" but you're gonna lose 49 times out of 50. And seriously, the freedom from NOT having to clutch and shift (especially in traffic) is a truly amazing thing. The art of riding becomes about riding, not kicking a lever...:) Nothing better than not clutching 100 times every block in LA city They shift faster than you can (literally 20-30 milliseconds - faster than a person can react), perfectly match throttle each time, and with two clutches - it's nearly always ready for the next shift.
traffic!

But if you don't want a DCT - looks like Honda will offer it both ways, like they do the rest of their DCT-enabled bikes!

I agree!
That would be cool.

[Deerkiller]

Interesting that MotoGP bikes don't use the DCT:stirthepot:

Although, full disclosure, DCT are basically outlawed in MotoGP. So they use the seamless gearbox instead. The DCT adds quite a bit of weight over the seamless setup also. Not sure what would be better in the capable hands of Rossi, Marquez, and the like.

Bottom line is, no one here is capable of utilizing one over the other to its maximum potential. Because if anyone was, they would have a large contract with a racing organization. For the record, my old assed R1 can hang with the top A group riders without any electronic aids whatsoever. No quick shifter, no ABS, no traction control, no throttle restriction (last year of the throttle cable). Nothing. I can pass bikes with all that electronic wizardry simply by having the guts to outbrake them into turn one:icon_mrgreen: And I'm just a track day hack.

I prefer my manual transmission in a bike just because. And the bottom line is that we ain't racing here. Otherwise we wouldn't be riding these bikes. I wouldn't buy a bike with a DCT/automatic transmission right now because it wouldn't be as fun to ride. So there. No BS about anything. Just stating my personal opinion :039:

[Jimmytee]

I like the idea of the DCT transmission, but I wonder how would be in the twisties. How long would it take to learn new riding techniques or acclimate? Riding aggressively, I am used to keeping the engine torqued up going into corners.

[ShanghaiDan]

I like the idea of the DCT transmission, but I wonder how would be in the twisties. How long would it take to learn new riding techniques or acclimate? Riding aggressively, I am used to keeping the engine torqued up going into corners.
I'm on my second set of floorboards on my CTX...:) I ride nearly every week in the Santa Monica mountains (Yerba Buena is my favorite ride - you're lucky if you find 20 yards straight). No problem with the twisties and walking away from cruisers and keeping up with sports bikes!

DCT can be switched to "manual". Meaning you have two toggle switches - on for "shift up" and one for "shift down". You can keep it in gear as long as you like. It will happily bang off the rev limiter if you don't upshift - but it WILL automatically downshift if you start to bog the engine (down around 1500 RPM).

For monthly hauls to SF, I leave it in automatic/drive mode, and sit back and enjoy the ride and the scenery. For in-city rides (Ventura, the valley, LA/OC), I use automatic/sport mode. More aggressive with the shift timings (higher RPMs, holds longer) so it works better as you need to "scoot quick" a bit more. And for the mountains/fun time I drop it into manual and go at it, deciding when and where I want it to shift.

[CoCoKola]

.. But am I understanding no more clutch to coast? Hmm.

[ShanghaiDan]

.. But am I understanding no more clutch to coast? Hmm.

Correct, you're always "in gear". But because shifts are super-easy and fast, often I'll just upshift when I want to coast, and I'll turn at 1200-1500 RPM, right above the point of clutch disengagement.

[53driver]

.. But am I understanding no more clutch to coast? Hmm.


Correct, you're always "in gear". But because shifts are super-easy and fast, often I'll just upshift when I want to coast, and I'll turn at 1200-1500 RPM, right above the point of clutch disengagement.

This gives me cause for pause as well.
In MSF, we teach "square the handlebars and to pull in the clutch and coast" when coming upon chance slick road surfaces, like ice or algae - the idea being to keep the bike straight and the rear tire unloaded.

I guess we'll be doing a bit of a curriculum change as DCTs become more popular.
Need to get the powers-that-be & the coaches going on this - thanks.
Cheers,
Steve

[ShanghaiDan]

This gives me cause for pause as well.
In MSF, we teach "square the handlebars and to pull in the clutch and coast" when coming upon chance slick road surfaces, like ice or algae - the idea being to keep the bike straight and the rear tire unloaded.

I guess we'll be doing a bit of a curriculum change as DCTs become more popular.
Need to get the powers-that-be & the coaches going on this - thanks.
Cheers,
Steve

FWIW, the lead MSF/motorcycle instructor in the Ventura County area rides an NC700X with DCT. He loves it, and provided good tips. Square the handlebars and just stay off the gas - that's what is important. Pulling the clutch does the same. It's like when you drive a car on ice - don't hit the accelerator. As long as you do not input more power, you're OK - and with a DCT, when you let off the gas, you get some engine braking going as well.

[Jimmytee]

This gives me cause for pause as well.
In MSF, we teach "square the handlebars and to pull in the clutch and coast" when coming upon chance slick road surfaces, like ice or algae - the idea being to keep the bike straight and the rear tire unloaded.

I guess we'll be doing a bit of a curriculum change as DCTs become more popular.
Need to get the powers-that-be & the coaches going on this - thanks.
Cheers,
Steve

New slogan,
If it's slick as glass,keep your hand off the gas. And don't tempt fate, keep your handlebars straight.
:icon_cool:

[53driver]

FWIW, the lead MSF/motorcycle instructor in the Ventura County area rides an NC700X with DCT. He loves it, and provided good tips. Square the handlebars and just stay off the gas - that's what is important. Pulling the clutch does the same. It's like when you drive a car on ice - don't hit the accelerator. As long as you do not input more power, you're OK - and with a DCT, when you let off the gas, you get some engine braking going as well.

I do NOT want any engine braking nor acceleration.
This is where I have the conflict and maybe it's just the best it can be.
"VERY Steady throttle" could be a new mantra.

Yes the DCT concept has been around for awhile, it is not formally incorporated yet into the curriculum.
Only a function of time before the "clutch" formally goes the way of the Edsel. :(

[Walcrow]

"If your lucky and proud to own a "B".....
Sit your ass down and listen to me......
If the new Wing arrives with a DCT.....
You need to listen to Jimmytee......
And learn how to steer with 53"

[Hornblower]

I like the idea of the DCT transmission, but I wonder how would be in the twisties. How long would it take to learn new riding techniques or acclimate? Riding aggressively, I am used to keeping the engine torqued up going into corners.

Jimmy--If it's like the DCT in my tuned VW GTI, it is great in the twisties. Paddle shifters, both up and down, work flawlessly and shift better than I can manually shift with a clutch.

[Walcrow]

Jimmy--If it's like the DCT in my tuned VW GTI, it is great in the twisties. Paddle shifters, both up and down, work flawlessly and shift better than I can manually shift with a clutch.


My left foot's not gonna' be happy about this.............

[53driver]

New slogan,
If it's slick as glass,keep your hand off the gas. And don't tempt fate, keep your handlebars straight.
:icon_cool:


"If your lucky and proud to own a "B".....
Sit your ass down and listen to me......
If the new Wing arrives with a DCT.....
You need to listen to Jimmytee......
And learn how to steer with 53"

Dr. Suess has nothing to be concerned about from this group!
:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen:

[Walcrow]

Dr. Suess has nothing to be concerned about from this group!
:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen:

My heritage is Dutch......
For over 40 years I've used a clutch.....
If Honda brings out the DCT......
I'm not sure it'll be for me..... (but I might not have a choice) :banghead:

[Jimmytee]

My heritage is Dutch......
For over 40 years I've used a clutch.....
If Honda brings out the DCT......
I'm not sure it'll be for me..... (but I might not have a choice) :banghead:

The "talk" is that the DCT will be an upscale option. The alternative being a 6 spd manual/traditional

[53driver]

The "talk" is that the DCT will be an upscale option. The alternative being a 6 spd manual/traditional

I read an article where the DCT will actually have 7 forward gears and a reverse gear!!! :yikes:

[Jimmytee]

I read an article where the DCT will actually have 7 forward gears and a reverse gear!!! :yikes:

Yes that is the talk. No more reverse using the starter but an actual reverse gear. Not sure if the 6 spd manual will have the reverse or not. Hopefully.

[Walcrow]

I read an article where the DCT will actually have 7 forward gears and a reverse gear!!! :yikes:

Don't tease me........
Fifty three! :popcorn:

[Ixol Phaane]

https://youtu.be/a7jJnwEeiU0

[53driver]

Don't tease me........
Fifty three! :popcorn:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/september/honda_2018_goldwing_technical_details

[ShanghaiDan]

The "talk" is that the DCT will be an upscale option. The alternative being a 6 spd manual/traditional

I believe this is 100% correct. Honda has done it for every DCT bike they've released EXCEPT the very limited edition NM4. All other DCT bikes have had manual options as well. No reason to think this won't continue!