CAPITALISM in the USA

[Phantom]

:icon_cool:

Is Capitalism a bad thing in this country anymore?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and make more through investments?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and invest into a new business with hopes to generate more income?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and donate them to others or a cause that you believe in?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and keep them for your retirement?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds from a existing business and invest into more marketing to increase the business and profits even more so?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and splurge a little on yourself?
Why do some have issues with capitalists, yet they indirectly benefit from similar capitalists?
Is there a "magical" number that you feel is enough earnings for each individual in this country, IE a "natural threshold" and any earnings above such threshold should be heavily penalized?
Should the Government penalize capitalists for succeeding, growing business, employing more people and making a profit?
Is there anything wrong with having a goal of Peace, Harmony and earning a few dollars along the way through investments?
Money is not everything however does it not make life easier for those that are recipients of generosity from Capitalists?
Just wondering if Capitalism is no longer respected.

:shrug:

[Ixol Phaane]

:icon_cool:
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Just wondering if Capitalism is no longer respected.

:shrug:

Why should it be when very little else is?
Common decency? No.
Rule of law? Nope.
The Constitution? No.
Laws of God? Uh uh.
Human rights? Negative.
Personal freedoms? No.
Peaceful protest? Not even.
Christian charity? Nope.
Women and children? No.
Parental prerogative? Forget it.
Teachers? Police? Don’t get me started.

If you ask me, all of this disrespect is rooted in Capitalism and/or the quest for the Dollar Almighty.

But that’s just my humble opinion.

Ride safe, everyone! 😎

[Sorcerer]

I have a friend who posts all sorts far left BS. Last week she was bashing Wall Street and there investors. Now mind you she an IT Tec in a district high school. I asked her if she was willing to take a pension cut. As we should know any 401k, or pension plan or any retirement plan is directly tied to the stock market in some manner. She never replied back that she would give up or take a cut in her government pension plan. Go figure.

[Miks]

Free market capitalism - the answer to inequality, innovation, prosperity. If you thinks socialism is the answer to - making everything even, you are stupidly wrong!

There has never been a system ever invented, that promotes the well being of all the citizens. Any socialist society eventually ends in poverty and inequality to the people/citizens of the country. In over 2,000 years of man kind, you won't find a more prosperous society than you find with countries that employ capitalism in it's society.

What is amazing, is smart people...I mean educated and intellectually qualified to weigh facts, still consider socialism a good idea? How stupid are you if you think that is a great equalizer? Communism goes along with the motivation of state ran "corporations" for the "working class", but study this and see how that worked out? Want to live in poverty? Let socialism and/or communism under the guise of "fairness and equality", and you won't be long in lowering the standards of living.

The truth of the matter is - capitalism provides the highest standards of living. Hands down. If you are too stupid to believe it, please move to your utopian country of Venezuela or Cuba please...I really wish you would and do it NOW please! What is so ridiculous, it the thought that government provides equality, therefore everyone will prosper and have equal compensation. Ever heard of corruption? Everyone who has ever thought about money wants more of it, no? That being the case, lets cut some deals to the privileged and let the masses fend for themselves. This happens 100% of the time and you are naive if you don't buy into that. Capitalism gets around this by the entrepreneur who can provide a better product/service at a better value price!

So lets ask the question - why does capitalism work so well? It allows for innovation. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if you take a look at technology, whether it is aircraft, the personal computer, smart phones, and medical technology - NOT ONE OF THESE CAME FROM A SOCIALIST society! America "had" one of the most free market capitalistic systems in the world, which brought you these products. It allows people throughout the world to travel in comfort at 40,000 feet, instantly text people around the world, health diagnostic equipment, and....du Internet! Al Gore didn't invent it, and why does it work? The government has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Case closed.

[BIGLRY]

Free market capitalism - the answer to inequality, innovation, prosperity. If you thinks socialism is the answer to - making everything even, you are stupidly wrong!

There has never been a system ever invented, that promotes the well being of all the citizens. Any socialist society eventually ends in poverty and inequality to the people/citizens of the country. In over 2,000 years of man kind, you won't find a more prosperous society than you find with countries that employ capitalism in it's society.

What is amazing, is smart people...I mean educated and intellectually qualified to weigh facts, still consider socialism a good idea? How stupid are you if you think that is a great equalizer? Communism goes along with the motivation of state ran "corporations" for the "working class", but study this and see how that worked out? Want to live in poverty? Let socialism and/or communism under the guise of "fairness and equality", and you won't be long in lowering the standards of living.

The truth of the matter is - capitalism provides the highest standards of living. Hands down. If you are too stupid to believe it, please move to your utopian country of Venezuela or Cuba please...I really wish you would and do it NOW please! What is so ridiculous, it the thought that government provides equality, therefore everyone will prosper and have equal compensation. Ever heard of corruption? Everyone who has ever thought about money wants more of it, no? That being the case, lets cut some deals to the privileged and let the masses fend for themselves. This happens 100% of the time and you are naive if you don't buy into that. Capitalism gets around this by the entrepreneur who can provide a better product/service at a better value price!

So lets ask the question - why does capitalism work so well? It allows for innovation. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if you take a look at technology, whether it is aircraft, the personal computer, smart phones, and medical technology - NOT ONE OF THESE CAME FROM A SOCIALIST society! America "had" one of the most free market capitalistic systems in the world, which brought you these products. It allows people throughout the world to travel in comfort at 40,000 feet, instantly text people around the world, health diagnostic equipment, and....du Internet! Al Gore didn't invent it, and why does it work? The government has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Case closed.Very well thought out post and nails it down IMHO
Thanks for your insight.

[opas ride]

Free market capitalism - the answer to inequality, innovation, prosperity. If you thinks socialism is the answer to - making everything even, you are stupidly wrong!

There has never been a system ever invented, that promotes the well being of all the citizens. Any socialist society eventually ends in poverty and inequality to the people/citizens of the country. In over 2,000 years of man kind, you won't find a more prosperous society than you find with countries that employ capitalism in it's society.

What is amazing, is smart people...I mean educated and intellectually qualified to weigh facts, still consider socialism a good idea? How stupid are you if you think that is a great equalizer? Communism goes along with the motivation of state ran "corporations" for the "working class", but study this and see how that worked out? Want to live in poverty? Let socialism and/or communism under the guise of "fairness and equality", and you won't be long in lowering the standards of living.

The truth of the matter is - capitalism provides the highest standards of living. Hands down. If you are too stupid to believe it, please move to your utopian country of Venezuela or Cuba please...I really wish you would and do it NOW please! What is so ridiculous, it the thought that government provides equality, therefore everyone will prosper and have equal compensation. Ever heard of corruption? Everyone who has ever thought about money wants more of it, no? That being the case, lets cut some deals to the privileged and let the masses fend for themselves. This happens 100% of the time and you are naive if you don't buy into that. Capitalism gets around this by the entrepreneur who can provide a better product/service at a better value price!

So lets ask the question - why does capitalism work so well? It allows for innovation. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if you take a look at technology, whether it is aircraft, the personal computer, smart phones, and medical technology - NOT ONE OF THESE CAME FROM A SOCIALIST society! America "had" one of the most free market capitalistic systems in the world, which brought you these products. It allows people throughout the world to travel in comfort at 40,000 feet, instantly text people around the world, health diagnostic equipment, and....du Internet! Al Gore didn't invent it, and why does it work? The government has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Case closed.

I agree 100% my friend, but your preaching to the "choir" so to speak..I think most of us on this site would agree with your post....God Bless America!!!!....Regards and ride safe

[LA Weld]

Free market capitalism - the answer to inequality, innovation, prosperity. If you thinks socialism is the answer to - making everything even, you are stupidly wrong!

There has never been a system ever invented, that promotes the well being of all the citizens. Any socialist society eventually ends in poverty and inequality to the people/citizens of the country. In over 2,000 years of man kind, you won't find a more prosperous society than you find with countries that employ capitalism in it's society.

What is amazing, is smart people...I mean educated and intellectually qualified to weigh facts, still consider socialism a good idea? How stupid are you if you think that is a great equalizer? Communism goes along with the motivation of state ran "corporations" for the "working class", but study this and see how that worked out? Want to live in poverty? Let socialism and/or communism under the guise of "fairness and equality", and you won't be long in lowering the standards of living.

The truth of the matter is - capitalism provides the highest standards of living. Hands down. If you are too stupid to believe it, please move to your utopian country of Venezuela or Cuba please...I really wish you would and do it NOW please! What is so ridiculous, it the thought that government provides equality, therefore everyone will prosper and have equal compensation. Ever heard of corruption? Everyone who has ever thought about money wants more of it, no? That being the case, lets cut some deals to the privileged and let the masses fend for themselves. This happens 100% of the time and you are naive if you don't buy into that. Capitalism gets around this by the entrepreneur who can provide a better product/service at a better value price!

So lets ask the question - why does capitalism work so well? It allows for innovation. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if you take a look at technology, whether it is aircraft, the personal computer, smart phones, and medical technology - NOT ONE OF THESE CAME FROM A SOCIALIST society! America "had" one of the most free market capitalistic systems in the world, which brought you these products. It allows people throughout the world to travel in comfort at 40,000 feet, instantly text people around the world, health diagnostic equipment, and....du Internet! Al Gore didn't invent it, and why does it work? The government has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Case closed.
If government gets involved they usually screw it up.
Case being Government healthcare would ultimately end in rationing and less innovation. Think of going to the Doctor and dealing with the DMV.:banghead: The one thing government does well is WAR, we have one hell of a fighting machine.:stirthepot: There is a lot of waste in all government actions, why do better when you are never held accountable or can even be fired.

[taxfree4]

Stay away from the term "Capitalism" that's a communist interpretation of the "Free Market System" and no it's never a bad thing as long as we don't let the enemy control the argument and define the terms. Do what I did, don't watch network news, or news at all. The best provider of what's happening in the world is OAN News (One America News) it's what FOX wishes it was. No commentary, no opinions just data and their Jennifer Franco (Best mouth on TV, you'll be hypnotized).

The one thing you have to remember is communists/socialists never give up, it's not that they think their system doesn't work, even though it has failed every time it's tried, they just think that the right person hasn't implemented it yet. What started as Bill Clinton holding up the "health care security card" in 1993 was completed with Obama Care, they don't get frustrated on defeats, it emboldens them and that's how we must be:

Thomas Paine - "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."

Calvin Coolidge - "There is no substitute for a militant freedom. The only alternative is submission and slavery."

Old Hickory in his Farewell Address - "But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government."

Don't let the bastards get you down, frustrate THEM, too much American blood has been shed for our freedom and this great country. We must live our lives with the thought of never letting those who sacrificed themselves for us did so for nothing, the price paid was too high to quit now. We showed it by electing Trump, quiet vigilance despite the enemy laughing and demeaning us and we still won in the end. If we replicate that over and over, town by town, city by city and state by state there is nothing that can stop good people from victory. Let the empty barrels shout in the streets, rant on TV and march on Washington as that is their victory, throwing tantrums. We'll just keep winning lowering taxes, electing the right judges and win election after election and THAT is the only way of securing anyone's future. But we must teach succeeding generations the vigilance despite every attempt to quell it.

[Davidk]

It comes down to this:
It used to be that you were told never to talk to strangers and never get into a stranger's car. Now, you are supposed to call a stranger and get in their car. (Uber)

Socialism used to be the boogie man - think McCarthy hearings. Now, millennials are demanding socialism.

Everything is ass-backwards in this country nowadays.

[LA Weld]

It comes down to this:
It used to be that you were told never to talk to strangers and never get into a stranger's car. Now, you are supposed to call a stranger and get in their car. (Uber)

Socialism used to be the boogie man - think McCarthy hearings. Now, millennials are demanding socialism.

Everything is ass-backwards in this country nowadays.
Due to the teaching in our school that everyone gets a trophy, and the safe space rule:icon_doh:

[willtill]

It comes down to this:
It used to be that you were told never to talk to strangers and never get into a stranger's car. Now, you are supposed to call a stranger and get in their car. (Uber)

Socialism used to be the boogie man - think McCarthy hearings. Now, millennials are demanding socialism.

Everything is ass-backwards in this country nowadays.

You can bitch about everything in the state of this country...

...but it does come down to this:

Adapt and overcome. On a grand scale it is not going to change.

Sorry if I pissed in some of your Wheaties... but it is what it is.

[Thor]

If you send me $100 I'll answer you're question for you.

[shortleg0521]

* I always loved what I think is attributed to Maggi Thatcher about Socialism.
It works until they run out of everybody else's money.
I keep asking what the heck is this Fair Share thing that is thrown about.
They keep yelling that the upper class should pay their Fair Share, but they never
say what that is.
And who is going to determine what that is?

[willtill]

* I always loved what I think is attributed to Maggi Thatcher about Socialism.
It works until they run out of everybody else's money.
I keep asking what the heck is this Fair Share thing that is thrown about.
They keep yelling that the upper class should pay their Fair Share, but they never
say what that is.
And who is going to determine what that is?

A flat tax is where we should be at. For example; 10 percent of everyone's income. No deductions, no write-offs, period. Applicable to everyone, regardless of their wealth; or lack thereof...

[Verismo]

It comes down to this:
It used to be that you were told never to talk to strangers and never get into a stranger's car. Now, you are supposed to call a stranger and get in their car. (Uber)

Socialism used to be the boogie man - think McCarthy hearings. Now, millennials are demanding socialism.

Everything is ass-backwards in this country nowadays.

Lol, did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?

Jason

[taxfree4]

A flat tax is where we should be at. For example; 10 percent of everyone's income. No deductions, no write-offs, period. Applicable to everyone, regardless of their wealth; or lack thereof...

Will,
There can never be a flat tax because it would violate the apportionment provisions of the Constitution, Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4. Basically a direct tax by the government, as a flat tax would be, would have to be apportioned, Steve Forbes knew this as he's been blowing that horn for years. He just used it as a campaign pitch while his high priced lawyers knew it was BS. I got into debate years ago with one of his campaign managers while holding a copy of the Constitution in my hand and asked to point out where in the document does it allow a direct, unapportioned tax and he just took the booklet, threw it on the floor and walked away. The only Direct, unapportioned Tax you pay, in violation of the Constitution, is the Witholding Tax, however, your employer's way out of that is to say you "voluntarily" filled out your W-4.

Don't get me wrong a flat tax would be fine with me, but, there should be a cap on the rate of increase. I would require not just a majority but a super majority to raise that rate. As we know the low life politicians spend $ faster than the Federal Reserve can print it but in order to get that tax implemented there would have to be a Constitutional Convention and we DON'T want that as they would use that for an excuse to eliminate the right to bear arms clause in the Bill of Rights.

[jmdaniel]

:icon_cool:

Is Capitalism a bad thing in this country anymore?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and make more through investments?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and invest into a new business with hopes to generate more income?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and donate them to others or a cause that you believe in?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and keep them for your retirement?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds from a existing business and invest into more marketing to increase the business and profits even more so?
Is it wrong to take your hard earned proceeds and splurge a little on yourself?
Why do some have issues with capitalists, yet they indirectly benefit from similar capitalists?
Is there a "magical" number that you feel is enough earnings for each individual in this country, IE a "natural threshold" and any earnings above such threshold should be heavily penalized?
Should the Government penalize capitalists for succeeding, growing business, employing more people and making a profit?
Is there anything wrong with having a goal of Peace, Harmony and earning a few dollars along the way through investments?
Money is not everything however does it not make life easier for those that are recipients of generosity from Capitalists?
Just wondering if Capitalism is no longer respected.

:shrug:

Is it wrong to kill off a redundant product line that you are losing money on?

Evidently to some...

:icon_biggrin:

[taxfree4]

Lol, did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?

Jason

Why Owen Lattimore wasn't a Communist? What about Harry White? Or the over 2000 government employees in the government that lost their jobs as result of the hearings? The Venona intercepts which proved without a doubt that a number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies.

[Darren]

Think a few are confusing communism and socialism, they are not interchangeable.

[BIGLRY]

I'm just going to assume you're a troll.

JasonWhy you say that Jason? You privy to some secret info no other US citizen has access to? Do you even know what "McCarthyism" is?
Here let me help you out. "The term McCarthyism is applied to the persecution of innocent people using powerful but unproved allegations. It refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges of communist subversion and high treason in the U.S. federal government in 1950s, but I'm sure you knew that and that 99% of the charges were not true.

Oh and your comment to Davidk's post "did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?" where in David's post did he say McCarthyism was the good old days? I read it as something that has changed in our society. There was a time when we knew Socialism and Communism was bad, but now some far left and quite a few little lefts believe Socialism is good for the USA. Are you of that belief?
it is Okay to admit you are a leftist.... we are in America where you can be anything you want incluing a leftest opining the virtues of Socialism or a Communist and I would never hold it against you even if you were wrong.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
McCarthyism has taken on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries. During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[2] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[3] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[4] or actionable,[5] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

The most notable examples of McCarthyism include the speeches, investigations, and hearings of Senator McCarthy himself; the Hollywood blacklist, associated with hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC); and the various anti-communist activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under Director J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthyism was a widespread social and cultural phenomenon that affected all levels of society and was the source of a great deal of debate and conflict in the United States.

[BIGLRY]

Think a few are confusing communism and socialism, they are not interchangeable.
+1

[Verismo]

Why you say that Jason? You privy to some secret info no other US citizen has access to? Do you even know what "McCarthyism" is?
Here let me help you out. "The term McCarthyism is applied to the persecution of innocent people using powerful but unproved allegations. It refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges of communist subversion and high treason in the U.S. federal government in 1950s, but I'm sure you knew that and that 99% of the charges were not true.

Oh and your comment to Davidk's post "did you just reflect on McCarthyism as the good ol' days?" where in David's post did he say McCarthyism was the good old days? I read it as something that has changed in our society. There was a time when we knew Socialism and Communism was bad, but now some far left and quite a few little lefts believe Socialism is good for the USA. Are you of that belief?
it is Okay to admit you are a leftist.... we are in America where you can be anything you want incluing a leftest opining the virtues of Socialism or a Communist and I would never hold it against you even if you were wrong.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
McCarthyism has taken on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries. During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[2] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[3] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[4] or actionable,[5] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

The most notable examples of McCarthyism include the speeches, investigations, and hearings of Senator McCarthy himself; the Hollywood blacklist, associated with hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC); and the various anti-communist activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under Director J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthyism was a widespread social and cultural phenomenon that affected all levels of society and was the source of a great deal of debate and conflict in the United States.


Lol, this was a misunderstanding on my part. I read both as the wrong kind of sarcasm. We are on the same page, but I enjoyed your spirited defense, biglry. I imagine you were rage typing for a good minute, there, lol. My apologies

Jason

[BIGLRY]

Lol, this was a misunderstanding on my part. I read both as the wrong kind of sarcasm. We are on the same page, but I enjoyed your spirited defense, biglry. I imagine you were rage typing for a good minute, there, lol. My apologies

JasonNo problem Jason, just like to keep the facts straight. Keep the shinny side up.:icon_biggrin:

[Phantom]

:nono:

Honda was NOT listening when they just raised their prices on the NEW 2018 GOLDWING / F6B :banghead:

Those darn Japanese Capitalists.....

Who are they to make a profit and run a business in the Black versus running it in the red? :banghead: