New 2018 GOLDWING

[Phantom]

:shhh:

Well ... Still no news on the New 2018 Goldwing.

The scuttlebutt was that today was the big day for Honda to introduce it to the world ... :shrug:

[2wheelsforme]

A little early for California peeps.

[Phantom]

A little early for California peeps.


Yes but .....

It's 10pm in Japan :icon_razz:

[GeorgeJetson]

That is so funny .. I was wondering the same thing .. I had a reminder pop up on my calendar today about the announcement and expected to see it somewhere in social media, but haven't noticed anything yet. Patience has never been a strong suit. :)

[Phantom]

Current SPECULATION ......

I found this on the Web (not from Honda)
This may have been posted already.

Supposedly two variants of the bagger-style Gold Wing, with or without Honda’s DCT dual-clutch, semi-automatic gearbox. Under Honda’s alphanumetic naming scheme, these are the GL1800B and GL1800BD. The Gold Wing Tour will come in three variants. There’s a basic version with a conventional gearbox, called simply GL1800. Above that in the range there’s a GL1800D DCT model and a top-of-the-range GL1800DA version with DCT and an airbag.

All versions of the bike will use a 126PS, 1833cc flat six engine. 1cc bigger than the existing bike’s 118PS engine, gets a power boost from other changes.

While the power boost is small, performance will be significantly boosted with a big cut to the bike’s weight. The base model GL1800 Gold Wing Tour, which replaces the existing Gold Wing, has a 379kg (835 lb) curb weight. That’s 42kg (92 lb) less than the 2017 version. The DCT transmission doesn’t add any weight, while the GL1800DA airbag version weighs 383kg (844 lb.).

The GL1800B Gold Wing, with no top box, is 14kg (31 lb) lighter than the Gold Wing Tour at 365kg (804 lb). That means the new bagger weighs 27kg less than the existing F6B.

The Gold Wing Tour is shorter than its predecessor at 2575mm (101.3 in), down from 2630mm (103.5 in). The bagger is 2475mm – virtually identical to the 2473mm of the existing F6B. Both 2018 bikes have a 1695mm (66.7 in) wheelbase. They’re narrower, too; 925mm (36.4 in) compared to 945mm (37.2 in) for the old machines. The DCT models, with no clutch lever, are 20mm narrower at 905mm.

With the electrically-adjustable screen in its top position, the Gold Wing Tour is 1640mm tall, compared to 1455mm for the current bike’s non-adjustable screen. The Gold Wing bagger, with its shorter screen, is 1340mm tall in the ‘low’ position.

All versions of the bike have an electronically-limited 180km/h (111 mph) top speed.

:popcorn:

[98valk]

Latest rumor that made sense to me is 10/24 for the US and 10/25 for Japan. So, about 9pm tonight for us. I hope it is earlier. :popcorn:

[Flat6Fool]

They need to hurry it up already .....


https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpz81S7usvTIM8w/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[Walcrow]

It's 2:54am Wed. in Tokyo. Looks like their Seiko watches ran out of juice...................

[Bighutch14]

I read they would be doing the announcement from California at 6pm PST/ 9pm EST.

[Bighutch14]

Honda motorcycles and atv’s facebook page just posted about 10 minutes ago to tune into Facebook live at 7 PDT for a special announcement with the hashtag #whatliesbeyond. That is a varified honda page.

[Greg O]

Current SPECULATION ......

I found this on the Web (not from Honda)
This may have been posted already.

Supposedly two variants of the bagger-style Gold Wing, with or without Honda’s DCT dual-clutch, semi-automatic gearbox. Under Honda’s alphanumetic naming scheme, these are the GL1800B and GL1800BD. The Gold Wing Tour will come in three variants. There’s a basic version with a conventional gearbox, called simply GL1800. Above that in the range there’s a GL1800D DCT model and a top-of-the-range GL1800DA version with DCT and an airbag.

All versions of the bike will use a 126PS, 1833cc flat six engine. 1cc bigger than the existing bike’s 118PS engine, gets a power boost from other changes.

While the power boost is small, performance will be significantly boosted with a big cut to the bike’s weight. The base model GL1800 Gold Wing Tour, which replaces the existing Gold Wing, has a 379kg (835 lb) curb weight. That’s 42kg (92 lb) less than the 2017 version. The DCT transmission doesn’t add any weight, while the GL1800DA airbag version weighs 383kg (844 lb.).

The GL1800B Gold Wing, with no top box, is 14kg (31 lb) lighter than the Gold Wing Tour at 365kg (804 lb). That means the new bagger weighs 27kg less than the existing F6B.

The Gold Wing Tour is shorter than its predecessor at 2575mm (101.3 in), down from 2630mm (103.5 in). The bagger is 2475mm – virtually identical to the 2473mm of the existing F6B. Both 2018 bikes have a 1695mm (66.7 in) wheelbase. They’re narrower, too; 925mm (36.4 in) compared to 945mm (37.2 in) for the old machines. The DCT models, with no clutch lever, are 20mm narrower at 905mm.

With the electrically-adjustable screen in its top position, the Gold Wing Tour is 1640mm tall, compared to 1455mm for the current bike’s non-adjustable screen. The Gold Wing bagger, with its shorter screen, is 1340mm tall in the ‘low’ position.

All versions of the bike have an electronically-limited 180km/h (111 mph) top speed.

:popcorn:

I was hoping Honda would have changed the engine to a 1800cc opposed 4 cylinder engine with 160 HP and torque. This would give us more leg room and the horsepower increase we have been looking for and also to keep up with BMW.

[Brasco]

This short 'what lies beyond' teaser video from Mother Honda has Oct. 25 as the announcement date (shows up in the final frame in last few seconds (scroll down to second bike image to start the embedded video).

It's 5 a.m. in Tokyo about now so this evening for us on this side of the Pacific Ocean sounds about right! https://riders.drivemag.com/news/wat...g-teaser-video

[Kdarmy]

FYI...
The new Goldwing will be announced tonight at 7pm PDT.
Live YouTube stream from the Tokyo Motor Show.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y1HMIlITs8A
:D

[terryboyle]

been checking every hour all day. :banghead:

[Phantom]

:shhh:

Here's the FACEBOOK Link....

In about one hour .... https://www.facebook.com/HondaPowersports/

[Phantom]

Just out ....

Turn signal fluid and headlight fluids will need to be replaced every 10,000 miles. Halogen fluid recommended.
The fan blade belts will need to be checked and tightened (if sloppy) every 10000 miles, replacement at 25,000 miles
The Rear sprocket is a 50 tooth but can be switched to a 46 tooth for lower RPM's during highway riding
The exhaust rotor filter needs to be cleaned every 50,000 miles
FlexFuel Technology where you can use DIESEL or Kerosene if no Regular gasoline is available

:banana:

[BIGLRY]

Just out ....

Turn signal fluid and headlight fluids will need to be replaced every 10,000 miles. Halogen fluid recommended.
The fan blade belts will need to be checked and tightened (if sloppy) every 10000 miles, replacement at 25,000 miles
The Rear sprocket is a 50 tooth but can be switched to a 46 tooth for lower RPM's during highway riding
The exhaust rotor filter needs to be cleaned every 50,000 miles
FlexFuel Technology where you can use DIESEL or Kerosene if no Regular gasoline is available

:banana:Yea that is all good & well, but does it come with a usb supported chrome cup holder?

[willtill]

No need to replace it. :icon_cool:

[P.Sutton]

I do not subscribe to the “book of face”. Any other way I could see what’s happening?

[Phantom]

:shock:

Rear Trunk seams to match the saddlebags

it appears that ALL of the earlier "leaked" photos were indeed the new 2018 Goldwing


https://www.niehauscycle.com/2018_gold_wing.htm

[Phantom]

:cheers:

Its NOW LIVE ........ :yes:

https://www.facebook.com/HondaPowersports/videos/vb.112537855455787/1661718970537660/?type=3&theater

[Phantom]

Finally a 6 speed manual transmission

All models come with ABS


So the F6B is now renamed as the Goldwing for 2018

AND the Past full Goldwing is now the Goldwing TOUR for 2018

[willtill]

Finally a 6 speed manual transmission

All models come with ABS


So the F6B is now renamed as the Goldwing for 2018

AND the Past full Goldwing is now the Goldwing TOUR for 2018

An additional top end gear would be nice. I haven't watched the video yet...but shall tomorrow morning. Thanks Tony!

[SpeedyWho]

Just watched the live unveiling, I think it's a WINNER!!! It's gonna be an excellent bike.

[Jimmytee]

Finally a 6 speed manual transmission

All models come with ABS


So the F6B is now renamed as the Goldwing for 2018

AND the Past full Goldwing is now the Goldwing TOUR for 2018

Yeah, the leaks were right. Going to be adding the "Goldwing" name to he Forum?...lol F6B /Goldwing Riders Forum "coffee"

[druggr]

http://powersports.honda.com/?&cid=m...wersport_pmt_e

https://www.facebook.com/HondaPowersports/videos/1660749460634611/

I was typing as fast as could. Hopefully there are no mistakes.

- 5 models, 2 names ... The GoldWing and The GoldWing Tour

- 90 lbs lighter

- redesigned engine 4-valve/cylinder (24 valve unicam)

- starter/generator 1 part

- 7 spd DTC trans

- 6 spd manual

- gals -1.1 gallons but same distance per tank (5.5 gal)

- new front suspension 30% less hand impact over bumps

- eng. set more forward putting more weight over front end

- narrower fairing, but better wind protection for passenger

- ride by wire ... no thottle cables

- 4 ride modes and suspension dampening

- smart key ... no key needed

- auto lock when you walk away

- 7" TFT screen

- 10 years of free map updates

- ABS available on all trim levels

- 20% higher fuel economy

- car play integration for all Apple Phones

- Bluetooth works for other phones

- 50 Hondaline accessories available

- 3 yr unlimited warrantee plus an extended available for 5 yr

- much throatier sound

[Phantom]

:cheers:
3 videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGltCf1k-mM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrC-FpZaqfk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufzzFCAtLT4

[Fingerz]

The video was good and very exciting to me. I can't wait to see the bike in person. I'm already talking to the Minister of Finance!

[SpeedyWho]

One thing I noticed on Hondas website site I thought was odd and haven't seen before is, the engine has Aluminum Cylinder Sleeves. I'm sure the engineers at Honda know better than me but I wouldn't have guessed they'd pick Aluminum for a bike that's capable of hundreds of thousands of miles. But that's not gonna stop me from getting a new one.

[terryboyle]

Can't wait to test drive the DCT.

[SpeedyWho]

Delete double post

[Davidk]

Reverse?????? Please!!!

[F6Pilot]

:cheers:
3 videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGltCf1k-mM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrC-FpZaqfk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufzzFCAtLT4


In the last video they mention a trunk delete kit for the Tour and the ability to add it to the standard. So.......removable trunk? Curious to see how difficult the swap will be.

[Broken Hand]

Here’s the details w/price:
Starting at $23,500 up to 25k for DCT F6B version.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171024006544/en/Honda-Announces-2018-Gold-Wing

Available February 2018

[Phantom]

Yeah, the leaks were right. Going to be adding the "Goldwing" name to he Forum?...lol F6B /Goldwing Riders Forum "coffee"

Goldwingf6b.com belongs to this website. Several other variants have also been acquired this evening "coffee"

[druggr]

It's has aluminum cylinder sleeves :(

Anyone know what kind of life those have. Wasn't that what made the Chevy Vega a failure ??? Hopefully the technology today is different.

[Phantom]

In the last video they mention a trunk delete kit for the Tour and the ability to add it to the standard. So.......removable trunk? Curious to see how difficult the swap will be.

Jeff, I heard that as well.... so basically both bikes can become the other with the use of a Honda produced kit.

[Ixol Phaane]

Reverse?????? Please!!!

The spokesman did mention a forward AND reverse walking gear... I think he said it was available on the DCT model. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

[ShanghaiDan]

Bummed no love for Android! Would love to have that kind of integration... Everything else looks good and the silver Goldwing DCT shall be mine!

[ShanghaiDan]

In the last video they mention a trunk delete kit for the Tour and the ability to add it to the standard. So.......removable trunk? Curious to see how difficult the swap will be.

The rear carrier for the GW looks very low-profile, perhaps it is simply a bolt-on to that carrier? That would allow you to keep the carrier when the rear trunk isn't on, so you can use a different carrier or even a bungie cord for other items.

[SpeedyWho]

The spokesman did mention a forward AND reverse walking gear... I think he said it was available on the DCT model. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
I think you're correct, the DCT models all have reverse, and the basic touring with the 6 speed has reverse similar to the current model. The only bike without reverse is the standard Goldwing with the 6 speed.

The overdrive on the DCT and the 6 speed have the same final drive ratio, I thought that was pretty interesting.

[SpeedyWho]

This is a pretty good video


http://ridermagazine.com/2017/10/24/2018-honda-gold-wing-first-ride-review/

[Broken Hand]

The spokesman did mention a forward AND reverse walking gear... I think he said it was available on the DCT model. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

That’s what I heard too.


I would buy a tour and a trunk delete kit. F6B for 95% of time, throw on trunk when my wife and I do a trip together. Can’t take that long to switch. Hour tops? Cant wait to find out!

[Walcrow]

The spokesman did mention a forward AND reverse walking gear... I think he said it was available on the DCT model. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

No correction needed. I played it several times. ..........Manual is 6 speed with reverse and the DCT is 7 speed with reverse AND walking reverse.......might have to sell some Bitcoins next Feb.

[SpeedyWho]

I don't think the Standard 6 speed wing has reverse, but the standard tour 6 speed does.

[Broken Hand]

.......might have to sell some Bitcoins next Feb.

You mean launder money?

*cough* *cough*

Just kidding.

[Walcrow]

Yep, my error. No reverse on the Gold Wing manual, just on the DCT. I'm prone to agree that the Gold Wing Tour with 6 speed would be nice if the trunk is removable. Russell Day Long better be gearing up asap, IMO, unless they have improved the hell out of the stock seat on either model. That 30mm more rider room up front might solve some issues. Finally having 6 speeds, reverse and that front end......very nice to see Honda bring it up to speed.

[Phantom]

"ccsmiley"

PRICES >>>>

MSRP .....

Gold Wing (F6B): $23,500

Gold Wing Tour: $26,700 – $27,200

Gold Wing Tour DCT: $27,700 – $28,200

Gold Wing Tour DCT Airbag: $31,500

[Broken Hand]

Accessories Video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vpOI90rCEY&feature=youtu.be

[Phantom]

That 30mm more rider room up front might solve some issues. .

That's ONLY 1.2 inches forward ... not sure thats going to help many that needed at least 2-3 inches of more room.

[Phantom]

Accessories Video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vpOI90rCEY&feature=youtu.be

WOW, they have created a "in-house" after market business plan.
Many of those accessories were produced by after market vendors in the past.

[Phantom]

:duck:
:tomatohit:

Did someone ask about ... PAINT quality for these 2018 models ?:icon_redface: :stirthepot: :spank:

[bigdawg]

That’s what I heard too.


I would buy a tour and a trunk delete kit. F6B for 95% of time, throw on trunk when my wife and I do a trip together. Can’t take that long to switch. Hour tops? Cant wait to find out!

According to one of the videos the Honda rep says that it takes four hours to remove the trunk. Not very practical, but would work if you really wanted it.

[Verismo]

900 bucks to add the full tour trunk. Expensive as hell, but that's a really nice modular option. At first glance, looks like Honda did a fantastic job. I can't wait to test the lighter bike with a DCT. Holy crap acceleration should be comfortable and quick.

My only real gripe so far are the factory upper and lower wind deflectors. Honda should've taken a page out of Yamaha's book on those. They are really well integrated and about the only thing I truly like about the new Yamaha. Honda's look cheap and bolt-on, imo.

The other main curiosity will be the rider triangle. It looks like there is lots more room at the toes. I wonder if the ergos will be as fixed as prior models. That's the Goldie's only real shortcoming imo. Stock moveable pegs and moveable bars would change everything.

Jason

[broncsrule21]

900 bucks to add the full tour trunk. Expensive as hell, but that's a really nice modular option. At first glance, looks like Honda did a fantastic job. I can't wait to test the lighter bike with a DCT. Holy crap acceleration should be comfortable and quick.

My only real gripe so far are the factory upper and lower wind deflectors. Honda should've taken a page out of Yamaha's book on those. They are really well integrated and about the only thing I truly like about the new Yamaha. Honda's look cheap and bolt-on, imo.

The other main curiosity will be the rider triangle. It looks like there is lots more room at the toes. I wonder if the ergos will be as fixed as prior models. That's the Goldie's only real shortcoming imo. Stock moveable pegs and moveable bars would change everything.

Jason

I might be wrong... but I think it is $855 for the install kit and $900 for the trunk??

[Verismo]

I might be wrong... but I think it is $855 for the install kit and $900 for the trunk??

I think you might be right. I just glanced through the accessories. Yowsers, lol.

Jason

[SimonTemplar]

At first blush, the look is nice. And the electronics have been BEGGING for an update for YEARS, so I'm glad to see that come along. But, since they let the last e-package wither on the vine for a decade or more, you know that they'll likely do the same with this lot just because they got away with it before.

I foresee troubles ahead over this generator/starter arrangement. Aluminum jacketed cylinders give me the same sense of foreboding too. And, yes....as stated earlier by someone else, that IS what killed the Vega as well as the Triumph TR7/8 (well, that and the thin aluminum engine blocks among other things too numerous to get into right now)

My guess is that whole extra inch or so of legroom won't even be enough to be noticed by most who've been having troubles with it in the past (like myself)

New front suspension...Good The present model front end wobble gets old fast.

10 years free map updates.....what they're really saying is that they intend to stop supporting the mapping information in total after ten years. A problem for those who are considering homesteading on this model. (I've an '05 Chrysler that was similarly thrown to the wolves 7 years ago. Kinda annoying to sit there staring at a worthless GPS screen all the time)

CarPlay and bluetooth....good (see above)

Fly-by-wire and transponder ignition...it's about frigging time.

No mention (unless I missed it) of air filter position/replacement....which no doubt means it's still gonna be a 7 hour job or a $400 shop charge as it has been all along.

And.....from watching the accessories video, I wonder if the saddlebags are of smaller capacity than present day. They kind of look like it.





So....will I buy one? Nope, not this time. Aluminum cylinder sleeves have proven terribly unreliable in the long run. And, to be honest, I WANT the heavier wider longer bike I am currently calling home. If I wanted short, light, and skinny, I'd go buy a BMW. I KNOW my ride can make 100k+....the new one? meh...maybe yes, maybe no.

I'll let the rest of you play guinea pig for a few years.






.....sT

[Greg_N]

Here it is a new Goldwing ' 2018!!!
https://powersports.honda.com/2018/gold-wing.aspx

[ths61]

This is a pretty good video


http://ridermagazine.com/2017/10/24/2018-honda-gold-wing-first-ride-review/

The fuel capacity is listed at 5.5 gallons. Did they drop 1.1 gallons from its predecessors ?

UPDATE: This video confirms the fuel tank is 1.1. gallons smaller =(. Its range needs to be increased. Refuel stops come way too often. https://www.facebook.com/HondaPowersports/videos/1661718970537660/

Also, no running/turn/stop lights on the trunk.

If memory serves, the Vega engine was good for @ 50K miles.

Not too keen on the keyless ignition (batteries fail). How long before its protocols will be cracked like what is being done with cars today ?

Wind/rain protection looks iffy.

Hope their lights work well, because it doesn't look like their will be any alternative aftermarket options.

[Jimmytee]

The fuel capacity is listed at 5.5 gallons. Did they drop 1.1 gallons from its predecessors ?

UPDATE: This video confirms the fuel tank is 1.1. gallons smaller =(. Its range needs to be increased. Refuel stops come way too often. https://www.facebook.com/HondaPowersports/videos/1661718970537660/

Also, no running/turn/stop lights on the trunk.

If memory serves, the Vega engine was good for @ 50K miles.

Not too keen on the keyless ignition (batteries fail). How long before its protocols will be cracked like what is being done with cars today ?

Wind/rain protection looks iffy.

Hope their lights work well, because it doesn't look like their will be any alternative aftermarket options.

THey are claiming the fuel economy will offset the smaller tank and provide the same range as the previous model.

[druggr]

Thank you Honda for choosing Apple Car.

[Verismo]

Here's a test ride on a track. The rider loves it. It sounds great.

https://youtu.be/nM7d7ux_6yE

Jason

[jmdaniel]

The '18 B replacement is $7K more than I paid for my zero miles '16. I'm fine with what's in my garage.

[Phantom]

:icon_wink:
It's going to take some creative engineering to attach highway pegs
Might need to cut through the plastic to reach a attachment point.

[jm21ddd15]

The '18 B replacement is $7K more than I paid for my zero miles '16. I'm fine with what's in my garage.

I agree. No need to spend big $$$, when I have a great F6b in the garage!

[Jimmytee]

:icon_wink:
It's going to take some creative engineering to attach highway pegs
Might need to cut through the plastic to reach a attachment point.

I imagine that that will be figured out. May even mean that highway pegs would include whatever modified body piece that might be necessary.

[doubleh]

THey are claiming the fuel economy will offset the smaller tank and provide the same range as the previous model.Also dropping 90+/-lbs will give you more fuel economy.

[bob109]

With the introduction of the new 2018 Gold Wings it appears that Mother Honda had very acute hearing from its "fan/rider base"! Seems that everything current owners said were/was "lacking" in the F6B/Wing has been addressed and added to the new models! Starting with a 24 Valve Flat Six to ABS, a six speed trans and what appears to be a great front fork design, Honda Engineers did their "homework".

Having a "Limited Edition RED 2013" I'm beginning to get the feeling it may be time to consider a new18:icon_biggrin:

[unsub]

Finally a 6 speed manual transmission

All models come with ABS


So the F6B is now renamed as the Goldwing for 2018

AND the Past full Goldwing is now the Goldwing TOUR for 2018

Maybe that was the reference in the teaser video. The original GL1000 Gold Wing was not a "tour" bike.

Really nice bikes....there are so many upgrades it just might be prudent to wait a model year. If it's a runaway hit there's next year. If it's a dud (which I doubt) there will be deals.
I guess we own the "classic" now...:yes:

[willtill]

http://i65.tinypic.com/rkcxu0.jpg

[Jimmytee]

Also dropping 90+/-lbs will give you more fuel economy.

:icon_rolleyes:

:icon_biggrin:

Yeah ,the weight would be part of that 20% higher fuel economy.

[DaWadd]

Would love to get one but need a lottery win.:yes:

[Jimmytee]

Would love to get one but need a lottery win.:yes:

You and me both. :icon_biggrin:

I am really stoked about what I see, but man, I really can't see the sense,or dollars and cents, with all that I've done to mine to make it mine, t and now go buy another one just yet. Probably be awhile. Maybe in another 40 k miles or more or when I hit the 100 k mark. But then I have done rash things before when it comes to toys. :icon_cool:

[F6B1911]

With the introduction of the new 2018 Gold Wings.............
Having a "Limited Edition RED 2013" I'm beginning to get the feeling it may be time to consider a new18

I really want a new 2018 Goldwing...
But I don't want to join a new forum, so I'll just keep my F6B for a while.

What would a new forum name be anyway??

Golding ~Tour ??
New F6b Riders ??

[Phantom]

I really want a new 2018 Goldwing...
But I don't want to join a new forum, so I'll just keep my F6B for a while.

What would a new forum name be anyway??

Golding ~Tour ??
New F6b Riders ??

The following names have already been parked with a few others.

f6bandgoldwing.com
goldwingandf6b.com

goldwingandf6briders.com
f6bandgoldwingriders.com

goldwingf6briders.com
goldwing-f6briders.com

hondagoldwingandf6briders.com

hondagoldwingtour.com

hondagoldwingtourriders.com
goldwingtourriders.com

goldwingandgoldwingtour.com
hondagoldwingandgoldwingtour.com

[F6B1911]

The following names have already been parked with a few others.

f6bandgoldwing.com
goldwingandf6b.com

goldwingandf6briders.com
f6bandgoldwingriders.com

goldwingf6briders.com
goldwing-f6briders.com

hondagoldwingandf6briders.com

hondagoldwingtour.com

hondagoldwingtourriders.com
goldwingtourriders.com

goldwingandgoldwingtour.com
hondagoldwingandgoldwingtour.com



Do we get to vote in a poll??

1) leave the name alone
2) 54 Drivers
3) select one of the above

[Phantom]

Do we get to vote in a poll??


funnychit.

:icon_stooge:

:nono:

[Phantom]

"coffee"
Some Facts ......



20%: Reduction in clutch-operation load on the 2018 Honda Gold Wing

6: Number of cylinders in the prototype engine for the original GL. (The production version would have four cylinders, though the engine grew to six cylinders in 1988.)

5.3 lbs.: Reduction in weight achieved through use of an Integrated Starter Generator system (ISG) on the 2018 Gold Wing, combining the generator and starter-motor functions

43rd: Anniversary that the Gold Wing is celebrating in the 2018 model year

SCM440H: Name of the high-strength steel-alloy material used for the 2018 Gold Wing’s crankshaft, which enabled Honda engineers to reduce the component’s dimensions

CRF450R: Honda model (an award-winning, high-performance motocrosser) from which the 2018 Gold Wing’s Unicam® valve-train design was borrowed

1.1: Number of gallons by which the 2018 Gold Wing’s fuel-tank capacity was reduced without sacrificing range, thereby improving performance and handling

999cc: Engine displacement of the original 1975 GL1000 Gold Wing

20%: Improvement in fuel economy for the 2018 Gold Wing during testing

13.7 lbs.: Amount by which weight has been reduced on the 2018 manual-transmission Gold Wing’s engine

7: Number of speeds in the 2018 Gold Wing’s advanced automatic Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT)

.75 mph: Speed at which the 2018 Gold Wing travels when in Reverse Walking Mode

$2,899: MSRP for the original, 1975 Gold Wing GL1000

4: Number of riding modes on the 2018 Honda Gold Wing: Tour, Sport, Econ, and Rain

7 inches: Size of the 2018 Gold Wing’s full-color Thin Film Transistor (TFT) liquid-crystal display

1,000: Number of miles Cycle magazine rode their 1988 GL1500 test unit in a single day for a story

4: Number of electric preload suspension-adjustment settings for the 2018 Gold Wing Tour: Rider, Rider + Luggage, Rider + Passenger, Rider + Passenger + Luggage

+80 lbs.: Amount by which weight has been reduced on the 2018 version, compared to its predecessor

Project 371: Prototype code name of the Shoichiro Irimajiri-led development project for the original Gold Wing

30%: Reduction in shock transmitted from the road surface to the handlebars on the 2018 Honda Gold Wing, thanks to the double-wishbone front-suspension system

4.4 lbs.: Amount by which weight was reduced in the Gold Wing frame and swingarm for 2018

110 liters: Total capacity of the saddlebags and rear trunk on 2018 Gold Wing Tour models (note: that is down from 147 liters in the 2017 Goldwing)

[98valk]

Indicated RPM at 60MPH: 2,550. Isn't that what we have now? Adding a 6th gear just so we shift more doesn't sound good. What am I missing? :shrug:

[Zteve]

Looks a lot better than the images we've been looking at. Wish they would have added cornering ABS though.

[doubleh]

:icon_rolleyes:

:icon_biggrin:

Yeah ,the weight would be part of that 20% higher fuel economy.The total weight decrease will deliver the same fuel economy.

[opas ride]

The '18 B replacement is $7K more than I paid for my zero miles '16. I'm fine with what's in my garage.

As my 2013 F6B-Deluxe is custom painted, Mustang lower seat, Cobra pipes, K&N filter, Kuryakyn grips, glove box cover, and other "bling", is paid for, I will keep it for now unless I find $25,000 lying around somewhere....I really like the new models, but not enough at this point to back into debt.....JMHO

[ths61]

Here's a test ride on a track. The rider loves it. It sounds great.

https://youtu.be/nM7d7ux_6yE

Jason

The older Goldwing in the video has a windshield wiper. I have never seen that before.

They talk about better wind protection from their new shield (which has been already accomplished by MadStad).

They talk about eliminating the nose dive (which has already been accomplished by Traxxion).

No discussion if they fixed the handlebar position (which has already been accomplished by adjustable risers).

4 hour trunk removal is a no-op. No running, brake, turn signals on trunk is another questionable choice.

If the 6th gear is not an overdrive, see no need for it, just extra work.

26% less storage capacity.

I was hoping for better fuel range and the appearance from the picts don't grab me, maybe seeing it in real life will be different.

I don't see much there that would tempt me to buy one over my currently modded F6B. May let others be the point men on discovering the potential new model gremlins (including the longevity of the sleeved cylinders).

[Phantom]

The older Goldwing in the video has a windshield wiper. I have never seen that before.


Japanese Goldwing. I think the wiper is a JDOT requirement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCc0sQ1ZjQw

[F6B1911]

As my 2013 F6B-Deluxe is custom painted, Mustang lower seat, Cobra pipes, K&N filter, Kuryakyn grips, glove box cover, and other "bling", is paid for, I will keep it for now unless I find $25,000 lying around somewhere....I really like the new models, but not enough at this point to back into debt.....JMHO

If you find $25,000.00 lying around somewhere, it was mine!!

[BIGLRY]

If you find $25,000.00 lying around somewhere, it was mine!! I found $10,000 cash with a big, brightly colored rubber band around it................................................ .....................identify the color of the rubber band and I will send it to you. :077:

[opas ride]

"coffee"
Some Facts ......



20%: Reduction in clutch-operation load on the 2018 Honda Gold Wing

6: Number of cylinders in the prototype engine for the original GL. (The production version would have four cylinders, though the engine grew to six cylinders in 1988.)

5.3 lbs.: Reduction in weight achieved through use of an Integrated Starter Generator system (ISG) on the 2018 Gold Wing, combining the generator and starter-motor functions

43rd: Anniversary that the Gold Wing is celebrating in the 2018 model year

SCM440H: Name of the high-strength steel-alloy material used for the 2018 Gold Wing’s crankshaft, which enabled Honda engineers to reduce the component’s dimensions

CRF450R: Honda model (an award-winning, high-performance motocrosser) from which the 2018 Gold Wing’s Unicam® valve-train design was borrowed

1.1: Number of gallons by which the 2018 Gold Wing’s fuel-tank capacity was reduced without sacrificing range, thereby improving performance and handling

999cc: Engine displacement of the original 1975 GL1000 Gold Wing

20%: Improvement in fuel economy for the 2018 Gold Wing during testing

13.7 lbs.: Amount by which weight has been reduced on the 2018 manual-transmission Gold Wing’s engine

7: Number of speeds in the 2018 Gold Wing’s advanced automatic Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT)

.75 mph: Speed at which the 2018 Gold Wing travels when in Reverse Walking Mode

$2,899: MSRP for the original, 1975 Gold Wing GL1000

4: Number of riding modes on the 2018 Honda Gold Wing: Tour, Sport, Econ, and Rain

7 inches: Size of the 2018 Gold Wing’s full-color Thin Film Transistor (TFT) liquid-crystal display

1,000: Number of miles Cycle magazine rode their 1988 GL1500 test unit in a single day for a story

4: Number of electric preload suspension-adjustment settings for the 2018 Gold Wing Tour: Rider, Rider + Luggage, Rider + Passenger, Rider + Passenger + Luggage

+80 lbs.: Amount by which weight has been reduced on the 2018 version, compared to its predecessor

Project 371: Prototype code name of the Shoichiro Irimajiri-led development project for the original Gold Wing

30%: Reduction in shock transmitted from the road surface to the handlebars on the 2018 Honda Gold Wing, thanks to the double-wishbone front-suspension system

4.4 lbs.: Amount by which weight was reduced in the Gold Wing frame and swingarm for 2018

110 liters: Total capacity of the saddlebags and rear trunk on 2018 Gold Wing Tour models (note: that is down from 147 liters in the 2017 Goldwing)

Does anyone know if the changing of the "nightmare" air filter job is still a royal PITA!??

[unsub]

I found $10,000 cash with a big, brightly colored rubber band around it................................................ .....................identify the color of the rubber band and I will send it to you. :077:

Mustard Yellow?

[SpeedyWho]

Indicated RPM at 60MPH: 2,550. Isn't that what we have now? Adding a 6th gear just so we shift more doesn't sound good. What am I missing? :shrug:
Yeah I really hope that's not the case, what's the freaking point. I never understood all those people who cried a 6th gear, by making 5 a taller ratio you'd get the same final outcome.

The final ratio of the 7 Speed DCT and the new 6 Speed appear to be the same.

[VStarRider]

Yeah I really hope that's not the case, what's the freaking point. I never understood all those people who cried a 6th gear, by making 5 a taller ratio you'd get the same final outcome.

The final ratio of the 7 Speed DCT and the new 6 Speed appear to be the same.

Hmmm. I wonder why they are keeping top gear rpms about the same....? Perhaps those revs match up to the engine's power band? Therefore, no need for a shift to pass? The Yamaha TC turns about those r's at 70 mph...but that's wide open for that thing :stirthepot:

20% increase in mpg means that loafers like me should be getting near 50 mpg on the new model. I am leery of fuel mileage claims derived from "testing". They never seem to pan out. I remember Yamaha claiming that their performance four-stroke RX-1 snowmobile would deliver 25 mpg when it was released in 2003. I bought one, and never broke 20 mpg.

I am glad they kept the flat-6. If there's a theme on this and other GW forums, its that the six makes up for a lot of our old bikes' shortcomings, such as the stereo, ABS, cruise, etc. I know that motors are a significant factor in any motorcycle purchase decision, but this one especially. I know its what brought me to the Honda dealer from the Victory dealer.

[doubleh]

So, on the DCT models you still have to switch the gears somewhere from the left hand control? I'm asking this because I see a DCT foot shifter (599.95) offered under *Accessories* on the Powersport Honda site? I was under the impression there was no shifting involved at all. I figured you just twisted the throttle and she goes like an automatic trans in a car?

Also, on the DCT model Goldwing I see it comes with *walking/reverse* but the manual doesn't which make no sense too me. Anyway, I guess *walking* assists you while walking the bike forward?

I've already contacted my dealer where I purchased my '16 this past April and they'll be notifying me when it arrives so I could check it out. I must say that I'm intrigued, and will most probably jump on the Matte Majestic Silver!

[Fingerz]

This new bike looks great and I like that brown color a lot. But my 2016 B is paid off and I will be waiting a while longer before buying a new bike. At least that's what the Minister of Finance said to me!

[Circle-5]

Does anybody know what that flat retractable thingy on top of the instrument cluster is or does?

[TheWalrus]

I prefer the look of my 15 F6. I'm glad of that since I don't fully own it yet!

[ths61]

Does anybody know what that flat retractable thingy on top of the instrument cluster is or does?

The slotted thingy on the top edge ???

https://i0.wp.com/ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/KWP_9812.jpg-web.jpg?w=800

[Jimamiah]

See if this link will work here..

https://powersports.honda.com/2018/gold-wing.aspx

It has a video that I could post just the video link

[DarkKnt]

I've watched a few videos of the first test rides on the race track; no mention of the 180KPH speed limiter. I would have thought that would be apparent to the riders...

[lloydmoore1]

Does anybody know what that flat retractable thingy on top of the instrument cluster is or does?

I'm guessing it's an air vent to help the 2 part windshield deflect the air.

[crossbowme]

Smaller tank and a higher seat. I'll key my F6B for a long time.

[ShanghaiDan]

So, on the DCT models you still have to switch the gears somewhere from the left hand control? I'm asking this because I see a DCT foot shifter (599.95) offered under *Accessories* on the Powersport Honda site? I was under the impression there was no shifting involved at all. I figured you just twisted the throttle and she goes like an automatic trans in a car?

Also, on the DCT model Goldwing I see it comes with *walking/reverse* but the manual doesn't which make no sense too me. Anyway, I guess *walking* assists you while walking the bike forward?

I've already contacted my dealer where I purchased my '16 this past April and they'll be notifying me when it arrives so I could check it out. I must say that I'm intrigued, and will most probably jump on the Matte Majestic Silver!

No need to shift AT ALL on the DCT. HOWEVER, if you do desire to shift it anyway, there are small levers/buttons on the left grip that let you shift up/down as you want. And you can get a shift kit for your foot if you'd like to use that as well. But it is entirely optional! I have a CTX700 and many days cruising through LA I don't manually shift at all. Up in the mountains, however, I shift quite a bit to make sure I'm in the gear I want for the upcoming corner.

[doubleh]

No need to shift AT ALL on the DCT. HOWEVER, if you do desire to shift it anyway, there are small levers/buttons on the left grip that let you shift up/down as you want. And you can get a shift kit for your foot if you'd like to use that as well. But it is entirely optional! I have a CTX700 and many days cruising through LA I don't manually shift at all. Up in the mountains, however, I shift quite a bit to make sure I'm in the gear I want for the upcoming corner.Thank you very much, I appreciate the explanation of the DTC.

When first starting out with DTC do you need to shift down with the lever/button on the left handgrip to 1st gear in order for the trans to engage, or just twist the throttle? In other words, is there a neutral?

I just found this (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/images/title_sp.png&imgrefurl=http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/&h=750&w=1188&tbnid=TlmvfrfPdVoisM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=211&usg=__pT3zeX8jLKVF7hJvpTQ3pkhWvIk=&vet=10ahUKEwiS7JKXrI7XAhWBNSYKHU6nDO4Q9QEIKjAA..i&docid=LZWrp_rIGiRn3M&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS7JKXrI7XAhWBNSYKHU6nDO4Q9QEIKjAA) article on how the DCT works right before your post, but it doesn't answer my question above. Being you have hands on experience with DCT, I figured I'd ask.

Thank you very much,
Joe

[Circle-5]

I'm guessing it's an air vent to help the 2 part windshield deflect the air.

It's possible, but it lifts up an inch or two and stays horizontal ... odd position for a vent, plus it has no louvers. Wingstuff thinks it might be some kind of sensor. Anyway, I'm going to the official presentation at Honda HQ in Torrance tomorrow, so I'll ask if somebody knows.

[doubleh]

It's possible, but it lifts up an inch or two and stays horizontal ... odd position for a vent, plus it has no louvers. Wingstuff thinks it might be some kind of sensor. Anyway, I'm going to the official presentation at Honda HQ in Torrance tomorrow, so I'll ask if somebody knows.Looks pretty much like a vent to me, and if it goes up/down an 1" or 2" maybe it's to direct the wind at your face or not. I'm thinking it could also be to deflect the wind coming under the backside of the screen, maybe. Anyway, can't wait to read your impressions after going to the HQ in Torrance tomorrow!

[Jayrock]

It's has aluminum cylinder sleeves :(

Anyone know what kind of life those have. Wasn't that what made the Chevy Vega a failure ??? Hopefully the technology today is different.

One would hope that since the Vega is 40+ years old there have been improvements to the tech

[Jayrock]

It's a little thing, but I like the Homelink garage door opener which is now a built in option :yes:

[98valk]

Yeah I really hope that's not the case, what's the freaking point. I never understood all those people who cried a 6th gear, by making 5 a taller ratio you'd get the same final outcome.

The final ratio of the 7 Speed DCT and the new 6 Speed appear to be the same.

What I originally saw must have been a mis-print. It doesn't make any sense to add a gear without lowering the rpms.

The more correct info shows top gear at 60mph will be at about 2000 rpms, vs 2550. Yea!!!! BTW, this was calculated by someone. There is a graph in this link that clearly shows top gear is a whole step above our old top gear.

http://www.hondaprokevin.com/pictures/2018-gold-wing-tour-specs-oem/2018-honda-gold-wing-review-specs-motorcycle-touring-bike-1800-tour-79.jpg

The DCT version will probably downshift instantly whenever you goose it. The manual version will of course need our input.

Here is a new to me link with some of this:

http://www.hondaprokevin.com/2018-honda-gold-wing-tour-review-specs-changes-touring-motorcycle-dct-automatic-bike

So, higher top gear, smaller bags, better gas mileage, more power, lighter bike, better looking seat, too many electronics - everything I could want. I'm thinking Tour model with trunk removal kit. Don't know about DCT vs manual.

[jellybean]

WOW, they have created a "in-house" after market business plan.
Many of those accessories were produced by after market vendors in the past.

I love competition!...better products, more choices for consumers:)

JB

[Jayrock]

WOW, they have created a "in-house" after market business plan.
Many of those accessories were produced by after market vendors in the past.

It's funny to me that there was a big scramble back in 2013 when they changed from circular shaped driving lights to rectangular. With this new machine, they're back to round ones again. Glad I'm not in the business of selling rectangular driving lights.

[Bunny]

It's has aluminum cylinder sleeves :(

Anyone know what kind of life those have. Wasn't that what made the Chevy Vega a failure ??? Hopefully the technology today is different.

i had a Chevy Vega - it was a LEMON....lol

[ths61]

i had a Chevy Vega - it was a LEMON....lol

How many miles were on it when the engine when kaput ?

[ths61]

What I originally saw must have been a mis-print. It doesn't make any sense to add a gear without lowering the rpms.

The more correct info shows top gear at 60mph will be at about 2000 rpms, vs 2550. Yea!!!! BTW, this was calculated by someone. There is a graph in this link that clearly shows top gear is a whole step above our old top gear.

http://www.hondaprokevin.com/pictures/2018-gold-wing-tour-specs-oem/2018-honda-gold-wing-review-specs-motorcycle-touring-bike-1800-tour-79.jpg

....

Adding the 6 gear in the middle of the manual gear range does not make any sense. It does nothing for highway fuel mileage and is just more work. I had a 6 speed and was relieved when I went to the F6B's 5 speed.

[doubleh]

So, higher top gear, smaller bags, better gas mileage, more power, lighter bike, better looking seat, too many electronics - everything I could want. I'm thinking Tour model with trunk removal kit. Don't know about DCT vs manual.I don't believe the trunk has a "removal kit" but it is removable, and supposedly it takes some time to remove the trunk.
I'm also unsure which trans I'm going to get being only the DCT Goldwing comes with walking/reverse mode which I would like to have. Another thing I've been thinking about is both the BMW1600B/Goldwing DCT are the same price, but the BMW has quite a few more features, +170HP.

[98valk]

Adding the 6 gear in the middle of the manual gear range does not make any sense. It does nothing for highway fuel mileage and is just more work. I had a 6 speed and was relieved when I went to the F6B's 5 speed.

I didn't have a graph of the manual transmission. The first five gears are the same as our bikes. The sixth gear is an extra full step more, lowering the RPM's about 20%. If someone does not want to use the 6th gear, they don't have too.

I too think the same thing could have been done with 5 speeds and just spreading them out. But, there are others who will disagree. :icon_wink:

The DCT put an extra gear in the lower speeds. I think it is more than needed. But, since it is automatic, it won't even be noticed most of the time.

Trivia: DCT 7 = MT 6. DCT 6 = MT 5. DCT 5 = MT 4. DCT 4 ~ MT 3. The lower gears are where the difference is and the DCT adds an extra gear. BTW DCT 6 & MT 5 = Our 5th gear.

[ths61]

I didn't have a graph of the manual transmission. The first five gears are the same as our bikes. The sixth gear is an extra full step more, lowering the RPM's about 20%. If someone does not want to use the 6th gear, they don't have too.

I too think the same thing could have been done with 5 speeds and just spreading them out. But, there are others who will disagree. :icon_wink:

The DCT put an extra gear in the lower speeds. I think it is more than needed. But, since it is automatic, it won't be even noticed most of the time.

If the manual transmission's 6 gear is a true overdrive, that makes sense. If it is the same as in the chart, it makes no sense.

Where did you see the first 5 gears are the same as the F6B for the 2018's manual transmission ?

[98valk]

If the manual transmission's 6 gear is a true overdrive, that makes sense. If it is the same as in the chart, it makes no sense.

Where did you see the first 5 gears are the same as the F6B for the 2018's manual transmission ?

Some guys on another site were comparing gear ratios (primary, engine side final and wheel side final). Here is some of it. Makes sense to me ...

Using the specs listed here. It looks like 60 mph should be around 1943 rpm in 6th gear. 5th gear currently 2470?


https://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-honda-gold-wing/6/

6th gear .522 Primary 1.795 Engine Side Final .972 Wheel side final 2.615
Wheel Diameter 24.7


RPM= (Final Ratio*MPH*336)/Tire Diameter
(.522*1.795*.972*2.615)=2.381
(2.381* 60*336)/24.7 = 1943.35 ish

[ths61]

Some guys on another site were comparing gear ratios (primary, engine side final and wheel side final). Here is some of it. Makes sense to me ...

Using the specs listed here. It looks like 60 mph should be around 1943 rpm in 6th gear. 5th gear currently 2470?


https://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-honda-gold-wing/6/

6th gear .522 Primary 1.795 Engine Side Final .972 Wheel side final 2.615
Wheel Diameter 24.7


RPM= (Final Ratio*MPH*336)/Tire Diameter
(.522*1.795*.972*2.615)=2.381
(2.381* 60*336)/24.7 = 1943.35 ish


Thanks for the link. Looks like the Manual 4th, 5th and 6th is the same as the DCT 5th, 6th and 7th.

(DCT) 1st: 2.167 2nd: 1.696 3rd: 1.304 4th: 1.038 5th: 0.821 6th: 0.667 7th: 0.522 Rev: 1.190

(MT) 1st: 2.200 2nd: 1.417 3rd: 1.036 4th: 0.821 5th: 0.667 6th: 0.522

[98valk]

Thanks for the link. Looks like the manual 6th is the same as the DCT 7th and the manual 5th is the same as the DCT 6th.

(DCT) 1st: 2.167 2nd: 1.696 3rd: 1.304 4th: 1.038 5th: 0.821 6th: 0.667 7th: 0.522 Rev: 1.190

(MT) 1st: 2.200 2nd: 1.417 3rd: 1.036 4th: 0.821 5th: 0.667 6th: 0.522

Yep, looks good! Honda really did try and give us what we wanted. :yes:

Maybe the 6th manual gear could be perceived as "optional" (for those who didn't want it). :icon_lol:

[ShanghaiDan]

Thank you very much, I appreciate the explanation of the DTC.

When first starting out with DTC do you need to shift down with the lever/button on the left handgrip to 1st gear in order for the trans to engage, or just twist the throttle? In other words, is there a neutral?

I just found this (https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/images/title_sp.png&imgrefurl=http://world.honda.com/motorcycle-picturebook/DCT/&h=750&w=1188&tbnid=TlmvfrfPdVoisM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=211&usg=__pT3zeX8jLKVF7hJvpTQ3pkhWvIk=&vet=10ahUKEwiS7JKXrI7XAhWBNSYKHU6nDO4Q9QEIKjAA..i&docid=LZWrp_rIGiRn3M&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS7JKXrI7XAhWBNSYKHU6nDO4Q9QEIKjAA) article on how the DCT works right before your post, but it doesn't answer my question above. Being you have hands on experience with DCT, I figured I'd ask.

Thank you very much,
Joe

Nope. Just flick the switch to drive (or sport) from Neutral and you're good to go! Just like shifting a car from park or neutral into drive. Then it is totally automatic. Flick back to neutral before turning the bike off - just like putting a car into park. That's all you need! The DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) takes care of everything else for you.

[ShanghaiDan]

Adding the 6 gear in the middle of the manual gear range does not make any sense. It does nothing for highway fuel mileage and is just more work. I had a 6 speed and was relieved when I went to the F6B's 5 speed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the gear ratios for the manual are different than the DCT - cover the same range, but one fewer gear. The DCT and manual version of the CTX700 have the same gears, but the sprocket ratios are different. The reason is the DCT can shift really quickly, so you can keep the engine in the "sweet spot" easier with fast shift (or, in the case of the new wing - more gears). That gives fuel economy gains as well as performance gains - at the same time.

[doubleh]

Nope. Just flick the switch to drive (or sport) from Neutral and you're good to go! Just like shifting a car from park or neutral into drive. Then it is totally automatic. Flick back to neutral before turning the bike off - just like putting a car into park. That's all you need! The DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) takes care of everything else for you.Thank you again for explaining the DCT, I appreciate!

[doubleh]

I don't believe the trunk has a "removal kit" but it is removable, and supposedly it takes some time to remove the trunk.
I'm also unsure which trans I'm going to get being only the DCT Goldwing comes with walking/reverse mode which I would like to have. Another thing I've been thinking about is both the BMW1600B/Goldwing DCT are the same price, but the BMW has quite a few more features, +170HP.EDIT: I stand corrected. Their is an available trunk *removal kit*.

[Jimmytee]

the BMW has quite a few more features, +170HP.


Where are you coming up with 170 hp?...:shrug: :icon_lol:

160 hp


and more features? I pretty sure the new Gold Wings trump the BMW on features.

[doubleh]

Where are you coming up with 170 hp?...:shrug: :icon_lol:

160 hp


and more features? I pretty sure the new Gold Wings trump the BMW on features.Excuse me for the typo, yes 160hp. Go to the BMW site and read the additional *Stock Features* as compared to the DCT GW. If you add the *Premium Package* (which includes the *Comfort Package* automatically) the total cost of the BMW is ($23,545.00). You tell me which has more features.

My '16 F6B just happens to be my first Honda after riding Harley's for the past 20yrs (still own an H-D) and I absolutely love the Honda and intend to purchase either the '18 GW or the BMW B, I was tossing all my options around for the best bang for my buck because both motorcycles are in direct competition and very close in price. I wouldn't assume one is "better" than the other (because I haven't ridden either) but rather they're side steps to each other and it would come down to a matter of personal preference.

This is the second time you've commented negatively about my posts...first when I said the weight decrease would compensate for the smaller capacity, and now this. If I'm wrong, or I've made a typo, please feel free to correct me, which I do appreciate when done with true intentions, but calling me out I don't appreciate. Please, do your homework before negatively quoting my posts, and please back off a bit because I feel your targeting me and I don't appreciate it. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to read/learn and interact with other members and their thoughts/opinions on the old/new GW's.

Thanks,
Joe

[2wheelsforme]

I like the looks and really like the HP on some of the BMW bikes. But this is a killer for me: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/05/most-reliable-motorcycles/index.htm

[Hornblower]

Excuse me for the typo, yes 160hp. Go to the BMW site and read the additional *Stock Features* as compared to the DCT GW. If you add the *Premium Package* (which includes the *Comfort Package* automatically) the total cost of the BMW is ($23,545.00). You tell me which has more features.

My '16 F6B just happens to be my first Honda after riding Harley's for the past 20yrs (still own an H-D) and I absolutely love the Honda and intend to purchase either the '18 GW or the BMW B, I was tossing all my options around for the best bang for my buck because both motorcycles are in direct competition and very close in price. I wouldn't assume one is "better" than the other (because I haven't ridden either) but rather they're side steps to each other and it would come down to a matter of personal preference.

This is the second time you've commented negatively about my posts...first when I said the weight decrease would compensate for the smaller capacity, and now this. If I'm wrong, or I've made a typo, please feel free to correct me, which I do appreciate when done with true intentions, but calling me out I don't appreciate. Please, do your homework before negatively quoting my posts, and please back off a bit because I feel your targeting me and I don't appreciate it. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to read/learn and interact with other members and their thoughts/opinions on the old/new GW's.

Thanks,
Joe

Joe--Thanks for helping to set the record straight. I'm now riding the K1600B so if anyone really wants the "truth", I'm the guy to talk to. This competition between BMW and Honda is a great thing for us. If you look at history, they do tend to "one up" each other from time-to-time. I remember when the K1200LT came out and beat out Honda for the best overall two-up bike. Based on that, I bought an LT. A year or two later, Honda came out with the GL1800 and won the honors back. The new standard Wing looks to be a great bike. I seriously doubt it will match the Beemer in HP but I'm sure it will be plenty fast and smooth and, as JimmyT has pointed out, it will have plenty of features that all the "geeks" will love. I see no reason to get in a bragging match about which of these bikes will be the best. They're both GREAT!

[Jimmytee]

Excuse me for the typo, yes 160hp. Go to the BMW site and read the additional *Stock Features* as compared to the DCT GW. If you add the *Premium Package* (which includes the *Comfort Package* automatically) the total cost of the BMW is ($23,545.00). You tell me which has more features.

My '16 F6B just happens to be my first Honda after riding Harley's for the past 20yrs (still own an H-D) and I absolutely love the Honda and intend to purchase either the '18 GW or the BMW B, I was tossing all my options around for the best bang for my buck because both motorcycles are in direct competition and very close in price. I wouldn't assume one is "better" than the other (because I haven't ridden either) but rather they're side steps to each other and it would come down to a matter of personal preference.

This is the second time you've commented negatively about my posts...first when I said the weight decrease would compensate for the smaller capacity, and now this. If I'm wrong, or I've made a typo, please feel free to correct me, which I do appreciate when done with true intentions, but calling me out I don't appreciate. Please, do your homework before negatively quoting my posts, and please back off a bit because I feel your targeting me and I don't appreciate it. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to read/learn and interact with other members and their thoughts/opinions on the old/new GW's.

Thanks,
Joe

Negatively? ??
Really??

You are the one that that had to interject your comment about being 90 lbs lighter as as if that wasn't acknowledged in my comment about the fuel economy. :icon_rolleyes:

Are we a bit sensitive? Take a look in the mirror first.
:banghead:

I have studied features and I disagree with your assessment. The 1600 GTL was on my shopping list before I bought my F6B, plus I was enthusiastic over the B model when it came out. I have done my "Homework" thank you. Wow.

[doubleh]

Joe--Thanks for helping to set the record straight. I'm now riding the K1600B so if anyone really wants the "truth", I'm the guy to talk to. This competition between BMW and Honda is a great thing for us. If you look at history, they do tend to "one up" each other from time-to-time. I remember when the K1200LT came out and beat out Honda for the best overall two-up bike. Based on that, I bought an LT. A year or two later, Honda came out with the GL1800 and won the honors back. The new standard Wing looks to be a great bike. I seriously doubt it will match the Beemer in HP but I'm sure it will be plenty fast and smooth and, as JimmyT has pointed out, it will have plenty of features that all the "geeks" will love. I see no reason to get in a bragging match about which of these bikes will be the best. They're both GREAT!Thank you for understanding my point about both the GW/B. Congratulations on your B! There's a dealer close to me who sells both manufacturers, and when they get the new GW in, I'll go check them both out. Enjoy.

Negatively? ??
Really??

You are the one that that had to interject your comment about being 90 lbs lighter as as if that wasn't acknowledged in my comment about the fuel economy. :icon_rolleyes:

Are we a bit sensitive? Take a look in the mirror first.
:banghead:

I have studied features and I disagree with your assessment. The 1600 GTL was on my shopping list before I bought my F6B, plus I was enthusiastic over the B model when it came out. I have done my "Homework" thank you. Wow.OK, it's all good, Jimmy.

[Hornblower]

Thank you for understanding my point about both the GW/B. Congratulations on your B! There's a dealer close to me who sells both manufacturers, and when they get the new GW in, I'll go check them both out. Enjoy.

Once you've checked out both bikes, back-to-back, be sure to post your thoughts. No doubt, there will be pros and cons for each bike. You sound like a pretty objective guy to me so it should make what you have to say even more valuable.

[doubleh]

Once you've checked out both bikes, back-to-back, be sure to post your thoughts. No doubt, there will be pros and cons for each bike. You sound like a pretty objective guy to me so it should make what you have to say even more valuable.I'll definitely check back in and give my impressions on both. Yes, I'm very subjective because in my experiences with whatever it may be (as long as they're somewhat comparable) most things aren't "better" just different. :yes:

Safe riding,
Joseph

[Brewdog]

Wow !! I think the new 18 Goldwing and GW Tour are terrific. For sure i will consider trading my F6B for the new GW or GWT in the next few months. My F6B has been excellent for the past 3 years and such an improvement over my Harley's. The engineers at Honda hit all my buttons with these new models. I love the warranty as well. They look amazing !! Can't wait to take a test ride.

No BMW for me. There isn't a dealer in my area that I'm comfortable dealing with. I visited two BMW dealers within 80 miles of me and neither were worth going back to visit again. The BMW bikes are okay but I wouldn't put the BMW 6cyl engine in the same league as the Honda's 6cyl engine. Just my opinion.

[Jimmytee]

Joe--Thanks for helping to set the record straight. I'm now riding the K1600B so if anyone really wants the "truth", I'm the guy to talk to. This competition between BMW and Honda is a great thing for us. If you look at history, they do tend to "one up" each other from time-to-time. I remember when the K1200LT came out and beat out Honda for the best overall two-up bike. Based on that, I bought an LT. A year or two later, Honda came out with the GL1800 and won the honors back. The new standard Wing looks to be a great bike. I seriously doubt it will match the Beemer in HP but I'm sure it will be plenty fast and smooth and, as JimmyT has pointed out, it will have plenty of features that all the "geeks" will love. I see no reason to get in a bragging match about which of these bikes will be the best. They're both GREAT!

So did I miss or just forget your right up and in depth perceptions of your new ride? :icon_wink:

I bet it's a blast from what I have read. I have not seen one close up in person yet. Like I mentioned, the GTL was on my shopping list before I decided on the F6B I love.

[doubleh]

So did I miss or just forget your right up and in depth perceptions of your new ride? :icon_wink:

I bet it's a blast from what I have read. I have not seen one close up in person yet. Like I mentioned, the GTL was on my shopping list before I decided on the F6B I love.Jimmy, you must have missed a class...it's write up, not right up. I did the same thing the other day while emailing my niece, I wrote site when I meant sight, so I missed a class as well.

Seriously though, did you have the opportunity to ride both the F6B & GTL? If so, what were the deciding factors for you which lead to the purchase the F6B over the GTL?

@Hornblower
If you did give your impressions, please post the link, I would like to read it. If not, what was it you preferred about the BMW over the F6B (assuming it was an F6B, and not a GW?).

[opas ride]

Jimmy, you must have missed a class...it's write up, not right up. I did the same thing the other day while emailing my niece, I wrote site when I meant sight, so I missed a class as well.

Seriously though, did you have the opportunity to ride both the F6B & GTL? If so, what were the deciding factors for you which lead to the purchase the F6B over the GTL?

@Hornblower
If you did give your impressions, please post the link, I would like to read it. If not, what was it you preferred about the BMW over the F6B (assuming it was an F6B, and not a GW?).

Both bikes are great, but the new BMW1600B is "scary fast"...If speed is your bag, the BMW has it all over the Goldwing/F6B in spades....Otherwise in my opinion, which ever one you choose I see no reason not to be totally satisfied!!!

[Jimmytee]

Jimmy, you must have missed a class...it's write up, not right up. I did the same thing the other day while emailing my niece, I wrote site when I meant sight, so I missed a class as well.

Seriously though, did you have the opportunity to ride both the F6B & GTL? If so, what were the deciding factors for you which lead to the purchase the F6B over the GTL?

@Hornblower
If you did give your impressions, please post the link, I would like to read it. If not, what was it you preferred about the BMW over the F6B (assuming it was an F6B, and not a GW?).

Stupid phone auto correct. Didn't catch it.

Point blank, some of the reasons I chose the F6B.
I read lot's of issues with electronic glitches in the BMW at the time.
I was never that warmed over by the looks. I think the nose looks bulbous and protrudes too far forward.
I have had 2 Valkyries and still have one. I simply love the flat 6 motor.
I also saw more room for stereo upgrades. I've done a bit of mods there :headbang:

[doubleh]

Both bikes are great, but the new BMW1600B is "scary fast"...If speed is your bag, the BMW has it all over the Goldwing/F6B in spades....Otherwise in my opinion, which ever one you choose I see no reason not to be totally satisfied!!!"Scary fast isn't my thing, but I don't mind it either. I feel that my F6B is more fast enough for me, especially after riding H-D's for 20yrs. If I'm cruising on the highway in the right lane and a car is coming from the on ramp and we're neck in neck , I simply twist the throttle slightly and before I know it, that car is 100yds behind me. I had also seen a video of a rider on the 1600B pick the front of the bike up in 3rd gear with ease, so I'm sure it's scary fast! I would consider this a pro, though, not a con. I'd have to agree with your statement "which ever one you choose I see no reason not to be satisfied!!!"


Stupid phone auto correct. Didn't catch it.

Point blank, some of the reasons I chose the F6B.
I read lot's of issues with electronic glitches in the BMW at the time.
I was never that warmed over by the looks. I think the nose looks bulbous and protrudes too far forward.
I have had 2 Valkyries and still have one. I simply love the flat 6 motor.
I also saw more room for stereo upgrades. I've done a bit of mods there :headbang:As far as aesthetics, I think both bikes look great, but I prefer the front of the Honda over the BMW, and the rear of the BMW over the Honda.

I can only speak for the flat six being I haven't rode the 1600B...and I'm speechless when it comes to how smooth it is, and I'd bet the 1600B is just as smooth. As far as the stereo is concerned, I turned mine on once in my driveway just to hear it work, and I never turned it on again. A stereo on a motorcycle just isn't for me, but I know a lot of people enjoy listening to music while riding. HiFi Audio is my other hobby, which I save for when I get home.

It'll be a along 4 month wait before I'm able to find out which I prefer...this is also includes my F6B, which I might just find suits me best. :icon_biggrin:

[Brasco]

I seem to recall in one of the many videos one of the reps saying 'hi-test' fuel -- has anyone read anywhere if the days of running regular fuel are over for those who jump onto the 2018 models?

[Jimmytee]

I seem to recall in one of the many videos one of the reps saying 'hi-test' fuel -- has anyone read anywhere if the days of running regular fuel are over for those who jump onto the 2018 models?

I don't know, but I was pretty sure I saw somewhere it listed 87 as the octane requirement

[Hornblower]

So did I miss or just forget your right up and in depth perceptions of your new ride? :icon_wink:

I bet it's a blast from what I have read. I have not seen one close up in person yet. Like I mentioned, the GTL was on my shopping list before I decided on the F6B I love.

Well, Jimmy, it's like this...I didn't think it would be good "form" to start posting about my new KB on the F6B forum. I will say this though...one of the main reasons I went to the Beemer was to hopefully get more cornering clearance. And, I chose the new KB over the GT or GTL due to seat height. If I was taller with longer legs I would have gone another route. Cornering clearance with the KB is significantly better BUT I have already managed to find it's limit as well. This is what happens when you ride with Big Dawg and friends. They're all riding S1000XR's now so the "keeping up" game has escalated considerably. If I was buying today, and seeing what Honda has now introduced, I would have to ride both the KB and the new GW and compare them very carefully. I see that the new GW is more narrow so that may mean the cornering clearance has been improved. Frankly, you probably can't go wrong either way. It sure is great to have choices like this (as long as you can afford it :shock:). --Ken

[Jimmytee]

Well, Jimmy, it's like this...I didn't think it would be good "form" to start posting about my new KB on the F6B forum. I will say this though...one of the main reasons I went to the Beemer was to hopefully get more cornering clearance. And, I chose the new KB over the GT or GTL due to seat height. If I was taller with longer legs I would have gone another route. Cornering clearance with the KB is significantly better BUT I have already managed to find it's limit as well. This is what happens when you ride with Big Dawg and friends. They're all riding S1000XR's now so the "keeping up" game has escalated considerably. If I was buying today, and seeing what Honda has now introduced, I would have to ride both the KB and the new GW and compare them very carefully. I see that the new GW is more narrow so that may mean the cornering clearance has been improved. Frankly, you probably can't go wrong either way. It sure is great to have choices like this (as long as you can afford it :shock:). --Ken

I wonder how the new Wings compare with cornering clearance. Just from pictures, it looks like they may have more clearance. For me , I think one of the great limiting factors on cornering clearance has been the compression of the suspension coming into corners hard. What ground clearance you do have is quickly lessened by this compression. With the new front end and a whole lot less dive , I'd hope that alone will make a huge difference.

I upgraded my suspension including the Air ride in the rear. I now just add more air pressure when riding hard. It has made a difference, but I still find the limits pretty easily.

[Hornblower]

I wonder how the new Wings compare with cornering clearance. Just from pictures, it looks like they may have more clearance. For me , I think one of the great limiting factors on cornering clearance has been the compression of the suspension coming into corners hard. What ground clearance you do have is quickly lessened by this compression. With the new front end and a whole lot less dive , I'd hope that alone will make a huge difference.

I upgraded my suspension including the Air ride in the rear. I now just add more air pressure when riding hard. It has made a difference, but I still find the limits pretty easily.

All good points and we'll find out soon enough. Most of the faster GW riders I've met have done something to raise the rear. You chose the Air Ride and I've seen others simply add a link to raise the ride height 1/2" or so. When you're trying to keep the seat height at a minimum for shorter legs it becomes a balancing act between height and cornering clearance. Trade offs, that's what life is all about.

[willtill]

...stand the test of time and wear :shhh:

If there is a weak link in the new design, this would probably be it.

http://i65.tinypic.com/r8hw9e.jpg

[F6Dave]

I seem to recall in one of the many videos one of the reps saying 'hi-test' fuel -- has anyone read anywhere if the days of running regular fuel are over for those who jump onto the 2018 models?

I'd think it will probably run on 87, but a higher octane may be required to get all the performance the engine has to offer.

That's how it is with many cars and trucks these days. When they are running on 87, the engine's computer backs off the timing much of the time to protect the engine from detonation, but mileage and horsepower is reduced. You need a higher octane to get maximum performance from the engine. In fact, I believe the DOT requires new vehicles to be built this way.

[F6Dave]

...stand the test of time and wear :shhh:

If there is a weak link in the new design, this would probably be it.

http://i65.tinypic.com/r8hw9e.jpg

But they look like they'd be easier to replace than steering head bearings.

[ths61]

...stand the test of time and wear :shhh:

If there is a weak link in the new design, this would probably be it.

http://i65.tinypic.com/r8hw9e.jpg

Good thing there will be a lot of beta-test riders and miles on them before I am ready for a new bike. :icon_wink:

[LA Weld]

Good thing there will be a lot of beta-test riders and miles on them before I am ready for a new bike. :icon_wink:

Yep, lots of test miles... +1 on your line if thinking!

[Audiochris90]

What id like to know is if they tested the damm windshield on a rider thats taller than your average north korean. The shield on the B was the first thing I replaced and tried several to get one i could live with.

[ths61]

What id like to know is if they tested the damm windshield on a rider thats taller than your average north korean. The shield on the B was the first thing I replaced and tried several to get one i could live with.

Also, the width of the windshield. I don't think Lil' Kim represents the average width of the average North Korean.

[willtill]

Ya'll mean the Japanese mebbee? :shhh:

Norks? Huh, what? :icon_lol:

[Retired Army]

However the North Koreans have wider nukes.

[ths61]

However the North Koreans have wider nukes.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B614gIDIEAIrCO8.jpg

[dadeo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B614gIDIEAIrCO8.jpg

I think his face is as wide as the rocket.

[druggr]

How many miles were on it when the engine when kaput ?

I never owned a Vega, but back in the 70s, if a car had 100,000 miles on it, it was pretty much an oil burner or soon to be. If I recall, a Vega became an oil burner around 60k.

[druggr]

It's has aluminum cylinder sleeves :(

Anyone know what kind of life those have. Wasn't that what made the Chevy Vega a failure ??? Hopefully the technology today is different.

http://www.sunnen.com/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=11

I found this. Hopefully the new Wing has hyper eutectic-aluminum cylinder bores "When properly finished, hypereutectic-aluminum cylinder bores present a surface to the piston rings that's roughly equivalent to glass [Figure one]. The resulting engine has lower friction, excellent sealing, improved dimensional stability, improved heat dissipation, reduced weight, better recyclability, lower manufacturing cost and higher durability - compared to the traditional aluminum block with cast-iron cylinder liners."

I wonder if "improved heat dissipation" means that the new engine will have round pistons instead of ones that are slightly oval ???