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Verismo
06-06-2019, 03:33 AM
It’s not like the internet is short on glowing reviews about Russell Day Long seats, but after a decade of hemming and hawing over the cost benefit analysis, I finally got one, so here mine is added to the list.

If you don’t want to read the lengthier impressions, I can sum up with the following sentence:

I will never own another cruiser or tourer without working an RDL into my total purchase price so that I can be on it from day one. It’s that good.

The ride and the bike feel dramatically better and more accessible in almost every possible way. The first 2 days I had the seat on I rode about 700 miles through the 3 sisters run in Texas, which by the way is really beautiful and worth doing if you’re ever in the area. I got off the bike after those two days feeling almost exactly as I did before I got on the bike, save for a little windburn on my face. With most seats, I’ve found that I can manage a day’s ride and the various aches and pains that come with it, but that takes some doing, and some recovery. With the Russell, there are literally no aches and pains to manage. I haven't been on another seat that even comes close.

One of the biggest concerns I had about getting the Russell, besides the price, was whether or not it would sit me up too high on the bike. For one, I prefer to sit in the bike, not on it. And two, I was really concerned that I would be too high to enjoy my Mad5tad wind pocket. I made the request to Jay to make the seat as low as possible while retaining the signature comfort, and frankly, they nailed it. I don’t feel too high, I feel like I’m in the bike, and the wind is still fantastic even in a half helmet. The riding was great before, but is now unbelievably blissful. In slow speed maneuvering, I can slouch against the backrest and let the bike fall into as tight a turn as I want. It finally truly feels like cruising, which is something that was really hard to accomplish on my 2014 Valkyrie, and has been a little bit of a challenge on the F6B, due to the rider position. If I keep against the backrest, I can really crack the throttle at a light and the backrest takes all the acceleration, and any deceleration in a slow shift or if I let off the throttle doesn’t have me sliding forward in the seat or needing to brace with my arms, so there is exponentially less fatigue in my wrists and shoulders. At highway speeds and sitting upright, just a slight lean forward shifts the balance so dramatically that it makes the bike even easier to maneuver than before, while the wings and the springs continue to allow me to support my weight on my femurs, rather than my sitbones or worse, jamming up into my spine. Because the seat allows my body to use its own suspension system so well, it has had the very positive effect of making the F6B suspension seem much more compliant than it did with either the stock seat or the mustang. The B has a glorious drivetrain. For me, this seat is the thing that has given the drivetrain the ability to remain at centerstage, where it belongs. It allows me to stay in tune with the riding and the bike rather than on any distractions or discomfort.

I know many have an issue with the aesthetic of the seat, but in this configuration and on this bike, I think it looks great. I’m biased partly by how damn comfortable and exciting it is to sit on and ride. But I also think the lines of the seat work well with the lines of the bike. Besides making a beautiful seat, it is amazing how well the pocket fits my dimensions, given the fact they did it based solely on pictures and measurements. A big thank you to Jay and the craftsmen at RDL. I couldn’t be happier with the purchase.


Jason

VaBob
06-07-2019, 06:37 AM
Glad you like it, and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

VStarRider
06-07-2019, 07:05 AM
Thanks for the comprehensive review. I like my Corbin, but I likely try a RDL on the next bike.

98valk
06-07-2019, 02:03 PM
I have not gone to an RDL yet, because I don't want a higher ride. Adding a couple inches of foam (not to mention wider) will make pretty much any seat more comfy.

So, how much did it raise you? The seat looks pretty tall in the picture, well padded.

Ewreck
06-07-2019, 02:34 PM
I had my seat done by Bitchn Stitchn in Denver and love it but yours looks way cooler. I wanted my seat higher n farther back as I was after less bend at the knee.

Verismo
06-07-2019, 03:51 PM
Glad you like it, and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Thanks, VaBob. And no problem.

Jason

Verismo
06-07-2019, 03:57 PM
Thanks for the comprehensive review. I like my Corbin, but I likely try a RDL on the next bike.

No problem VStar. Good to see your updates about riding! I'm glad you're ok! And also, you'll certainly get no argument from me on trying an RDL. If I'd had the money, I would've liked to have done this ages ago.

Jason

Verismo
06-07-2019, 04:17 PM
I have not gone to an RDL yet, because I don't want a higher ride. Adding a couple inches of foam (not to mention wider) will make pretty much any seat more comfy.

So, how much did it raise you? The seat looks pretty tall in the picture, well padded.

I'm not sure how much it raised me, 98Valk. Feels like maybe an inch and a bit over the mustang, but not too different from stock height. Taxfree has a video where he measures the difference and it's not too far off from stock height, considering the bucket, and actually narrower than stock width, despite appearances.

As to being more comfy-with the RDL it's not really the amount of foam or the width, but the location and shape of it that make the difference. Your body weight is supported in an entirely different spot than on the stock seat--basically under your thighs, and your bottom falls back into the pocket, which feels like a baseball mitt for your butt. There used to be a pretty well known iron butt rider that would take a 1X6 or a 2X4 and slide it under his hamstrings so he could lean forward and take the weight off his tailbones. This seat does the same thing, without the awkward board.

Jason

Verismo
06-07-2019, 04:21 PM
I had my seat done by Bitchn Stitchn in Denver and love it but yours looks way cooler. I wanted my seat higher n farther back as I was after less bend at the knee.

Thanks Ewreck. I hear ya. Now that I have a 90° bend at the knee, I like it much better.

Jason

2wheelsforme
06-08-2019, 08:15 AM
I also have rave reviews for the RDL. As to how much it raises you that is up to you, custom built to your specs. Mine is over 2 inches up and another 2 plus inches back giving me much more room and less knee bend. I do have good things to say about my Ultimate King on another bike but the King did not move my seating position very much at all on the B, I even visited the factory and did not purchase. Between the RDL, the Helibars and the Mastad the bike is now a long distance traveler with comfort.

Walcrow
06-09-2019, 12:06 PM
I concur, Verismo. The stock seat was a bummer for my bum. The RDL's name is appropriate.......it could be named RADL......Russell All Day Long. As taxfree mentioned once, the gas tank needs to be huge so you don't have to stop for gas. There are no more butt issues with this seat. Congrats on the purchase.

https://i.imgur.com/5vCHj3M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ioMJnjI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/R9ukZNM.jpg

Verismo
06-09-2019, 05:41 PM
I concur, Verismo. The stock seat was a bummer for my bum. The RDL's name is appropriate.......it could be named RADL......Russell All Day Long. As taxfree mentioned once, the gas tank needs to be huge so you don't have to stop for gas. There are no more butt issues with this seat. Congrats on the purchase.

https://i.imgur.com/5vCHj3M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ioMJnjI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/R9ukZNM.jpg

Thanks, Walcrow! And yep, I agree. It's really nice to be able to go tank to tank if I want to. And honestly, a little weird. It takes some getting used to. But it's a welcome change. I feel really lucky to have such a great machine and one I'm so comfortable on and happy with.

Jason

98valk
06-10-2019, 04:07 PM
I'm not sure how much it raised me, 98Valk. Feels like maybe an inch and a bit over the mustang, but not too different from stock height. Taxfree has a video where he measures the difference and it's not too far off from stock height, considering the bucket, and actually narrower than stock width, despite appearances.

As to being more comfy-with the RDL it's not really the amount of foam or the width, but the location and shape of it that make the difference. Your body weight is supported in an entirely different spot than on the stock seat--basically under your thighs, and your bottom falls back into the pocket, which feels like a baseball mitt for your butt. There used to be a pretty well known iron butt rider that would take a 1X6 or a 2X4 and slide it under his hamstrings so he could lean forward and take the weight off his tailbones. This seat does the same thing, without the awkward board.

Jason

Thanks for taking the time to write this. It is good information.

Verismo
06-11-2019, 02:17 AM
Thanks for taking the time to write this. It is good information.

No problem, 98Valk. By the way, I like your user name. I had a 99 Valk, and it and my 84 Wing were my gold standard and set the bar for what a motorcycle ride could feel like. Hell of a platform.

Jason

Python
06-16-2019, 08:33 AM
RDL recommends a product to use on there seats ( or they did when I purchased mine) I purchased it and use it on all my vehicles. At the cost of the seat and quality they probably know best. The product that the angry shield recommends I have used on a couple of shields at two weeks with no long rides or heavy bugs no sure yet. Just my opinion

Verismo
06-16-2019, 02:08 PM
RDL recommends a product to use on there seats ( or they did when I purchased mine) I purchased it and use it on all my vehicles. At the cost of the seat and quality they probably know best. The product that the angry shield recommends I have used on a couple of shields at two weeks with no long rides or heavy bugs no sure yet. Just my opinion


Lol, are you trying to be suspenseful, Python? What product?

Jason

BIGLRY
06-17-2019, 01:31 PM
this is directly from RDL FAQ section. https://day-long.com/faqs/

Q. Can I use Scotch Guard on a velour seat cover? Will it make it waterproof?

A. I know no reason not to use Scotch Guard on the velour, and I’ve been told by some that applying several treatments will make the velour virtually waterproof without materially affecting its “breath-ability”. It would seem obvious to me that if applied heavily enough to make it waterproof then it will not allow much air to pass through it either. However, I think the “breath factor” comes as much from the fact that a lot of air is trapped in the nap of the velour between you and the barrier that would result from heavily applied Scotch Guard as from air passing through the material. I can’t personally vouch for that, but it certainly will help keep the velour clean, and make it easier to remove smudges. I’ve never heard of it doing any damage of any kind to the velour.

I have had a RDL saddle on all my steel steeds since 1979. I will always ride an RDL and is the only saddle I recommend for long distance riding.

http://www.californiavtxriders.com/phpBB3/gallery/image37042.jpg?sid=386519abaf316bb16adf8d7ffc4ce15 e

Verismo
06-20-2019, 05:54 AM
this is directly from RDL FAQ section. https://day-long.com/faqs/


I have had a RDL saddle on all my steel steeds since 1979. I will always ride an RDL and is the only saddle I recommend for long distance riding.

http://www.californiavtxriders.com/phpBB3/gallery/image37042.jpg?sid=386519abaf316bb16adf8d7ffc4ce15 e

Thanks for the info, Biglry. I called Jay today and he recommended either Lexall or Mcguires for their leather products, so I picked some up today. Good thing, too. Already into the triple digits down here in South Texas. Yeesh.

Jason