STOCK Windshield Deflector -- Flip

[Phantom]

I have been trying to convince a windshield manufacturer to fabricate a FLIP version for me since March of last year ....

Steve 0080 was kind enough to try my prototypes and give me feedback. I was not successful in finding one that would work with me until March 2014 .... I have a windshield manufacturer that is willing to produce my version of a F6B Windshield extension.


I am STILL tinkering with the attachment points, the pivot point for the brackets might be relocated above the stock windshield instead of in front. I am currently using a existing shield from the manufacturer.

#1. The attachment clamps allows this to be used on any windshield
#2. There is a Flip at the very top to revert airflow above your head
#3. This windshield extension may come in a 4" or 6"
#4. This extension will also have multiple holes that will allow you to raise it up or down 1"-2"
#5. This extension has the versatility to be tilted forward or back for your needs
#6. This extension will still allow air to enter from underneath to cool off the rider and not blow you off the bike
#7. Final gap will be less then what you see in the pictures.
#8. Final attachment hardware will be aluminum not plastic

See latest prototype (6" at center) ..... I don't have a clue on cost, that will be determined once I have a cost on the aluminum hardware.

Honest FEEDBACK is appreciated :cheers:

http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg.html)

[98valk]

I was hoping someone would come up with an idea like this.

May I suggest that it be made to attach to a baggershield?

I have done that, but screwed up my plastic while cutting. Works great, though.

So, I might be interested in the extension with either no holes, or just the three to attach to the baggershield. It would be simpler ....

5360

5361

[Scotrod]

Interesting!!!!

Would a quick-attach/remove feature be possible?

[Scotrod]

I was hoping someone would come up with an idea like this.

May I suggest that it be made to attach to a baggershield?



I could be wrong, but I bet it will have the capability to clip on to most any shield! :icon_wink:

[Phantom]

I could be wrong, but I bet it will have the capability to clip on to most any shield! :icon_wink:

You are CORRECT !!!!

I just replaced the above images with the cut down 6" version, take a look.

I think that a 5" might be perfect, it will be able to go up 1" and down 1"

[Phantom]

Interesting!!!!

Would a quick-attach/remove feature be possible?


:icon_cool::yes: currently have 2 simple allen screws on each side, loosen the screws and VOILA, it's off your original shield.

[Steve 0080]

Any marks ??? Do the screws go into the original shield…..could this be done like the clamp like a Scala Rider where it does not mark the original?

[Phantom]

Any marks ??? Do the screws go into the original shield…..could this be done like the clamp like a Scala Rider where it does not mark the original?


Steve, this system is a CLAMP style system with a rubber spacer between the shield and clamp, this system does NOT :nono: mark the original windshield. Below you will see the Forward and backward range on a 5.25" deflector that I cut down this morning.

PLEASE keep in mind that it LOOKS HUGE but it is not, I am using a STOCK F6B shorty windshield. It will give you the benefit of a FULL size windshield yet it is small and simple in design. This will allow all riders to adjust the angle and height to their liking, some will like the air to go over their head and some will like the air to just touch the top of their heads. ALMOST a one size fits most. I do not believe that there is anything on the market that allows the use of the stock windshield and gives the deflection of air like aftermarket systems that is a simple on-off and adjustable on the fly like this.


http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip1_zps6c93abdc.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip1_zps6c93abdc.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip2_zps87e512af.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip2_zps87e512af.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip7_zpsded914ce.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip7_zpsded914ce.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip6_zps38da0841.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip6_zps38da0841.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip9_zps23b37fd5.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip9_zps23b37fd5.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip8_zpse6950e13.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip8_zpse6950e13.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip4_zpsec7e6252.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip4_zpsec7e6252.jpg.html)



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/5flip10_zps4093d27d.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/5flip10_zps4093d27d.jpg.html)

[Hornblower]

This reminds me a bit of the Laminar Lip that I used on a previous wind screen (believe it was on a vstrom). It was quite effective but was held on with adhesive strips which I didn't like. Seems like there may be a couple of concepts here to direct air flow and to keep the flow "laminar". One approach, similar to that found on the Madstad, is to use a shield on top of another shield with a gap between to remove turbulence and achieve laminar flow. As far as I'm concerned, that is a proven concept. The other approach, similar to the Laminar Lip, is to shape the top of the shield so as to direct the air flow upward and hopefully, over the rider's head. With that summary, I'm wondering if the Phantom Flip could combine both of those elements in the design. To do so, I believe the Flip would have to overlap the stock shield a bit more. I really do like the idea of using mounting hardware to attach the Flip rather that some kind of adhesive or velcro. The concern I have there is whether mounting the hardware on the very top edge of an existing shield would provide a rigid enough base for the Flip. Attaching the Flip to the stock F6B wind screen might be OK due to how short it is. OTOH, attaching it to the top of a taller wind screen could be problematic. Referring to the Madstad for comparison, the base shield is very thick and robust and the mounting hardware is bolted on in two places, both low and high. This makes for a very rigid and robust setup. Of course, with that approach, holes have to exist in the base shield for mounting and I'm fairly certain the Flip attempts to avoid that. Anyway, the larger the Flip, the more rigidity of the attachment will become an issue, IMHO. This is where real-world testing can prove the concept.

[hiflyer]

When I bought my bike, and before I found the forum, I ordered a "Saeng" deflector hoping to do the same thing you are doing. Didn't work because of the curve built into the unit. To be fair, Saeng said it probably wouldn't work on the Gold Wing because of the width of the windscreen. It used adhesive instead of clamps also. I think this is a great idea, and with some tweaking and testing will work.

[Phantom]

Ken,

You make several valid points ....

I have never seen a Laminar lip in person and have no experience with their products.

The purpose of this deflector is to still have a "Short" shield and have the deflection of a one-piece "Tall" shield. You will still be able to look over it yet not have the direct blast on your face.

The brackets are prototypes that are super strong, I found them in the automotive industry, they are being used in similar applications where the speeds of the vehicles reached 140 mph, however I am looking to possibly double their width (over-kill) and have 4 easily accessible allen screws on the backside of each bracket. You loosen the screws and the piece comes off. The thickness of the OEM plastic is thick enough to attach the brackets on to and the Deflector will have the same thickness.

My goal is to keep the "COOL" factor of the F6B short windshield and the air deflection of the taller shields. being able to look over the shield will be a plus.

Safety, convenience of use, effectiveness and durability are my pre-requisites.

Once I have a couple of test units, I will send them out for a couple of riders to test and give feedback.
:cheers:

[bobbyf6b]

Not to be a downer but there's already a company making these and they're adjustable.

http://www.firecreekacc.com/windbender_hp.htm

[Scotrod]

Trying to wrap my noggin around what effect different top shield sizes / shapes would have in this application,,, (Makes my head hurt! LOL!!!)

[Phantom]

Not to be a downer but there's already a company making these and they're adjustable.

http://www.firecreekacc.com/windbender_hp.htm


Bobby, It's not the same. That is a permanent modification with LARGE in my opinion "not very attractive" metal brackets.

This deflector of mine will be available in a 3, 4 and 5 inch variation and have a CLEAN look to it.

I don't like the looks of a "BILLBOARD" in front of my motorcycles standing straight up. That's just my personal taste. :shrug:

[Scotrod]

Anyway, the larger the Flip, the more rigidity of the attachment will become an issue, IMHO. This is where real-world testing can prove the concept.

Where's Dickie when ya need him!?!?! He ain't skeered!!! :yikes: :icon_biggrin: :yes::cheers:

[bobbyf6b]

I don't like the looks of a "BILLBOARD" in front of my motorcycles standing straight up. That's just my personal taste. :shrug:

You're thinking of the Madstad, the Windbender stays with the lines of the bike, but I understand if you want something different. More choices is always good.

[Hornblower]

I agree that the Flip is nothing at all like the Windbender. The Windbender is more like the Madstad in that it comes with a bottom and top part which replaces the stock screen completely. In addition, it can be raised or lowered electrically. Further, the WB has a recurve at the top so you definitely don't want to raise it high enough to look through it since that area is optically distorted. Phantom, I like your concept of keeping it minimal and clean while being able to simply attach it to your stock screen. Looking forward to how this project turns out :popcorn:

[Scotrod]

Phantom, I like your concept of keeping it minimal and clean while being able to simply attach it to your stock screen. Looking forward to how this project turns out :popcorn:

:yes:

X2!

[Deer Slayer]

How fast is the green trash can?:poke: really the top bender look looks great.:cheers:

[gray rider]

Phantom, I can't extrapolate from the photos, would your innovative extension fit in the saddlebag? I could make up a simple microfiber drawstring bag. Pop the shield on, eighty miles to bike night, take the shield off at the cities edge and have a cooler ride through town. I think your shield is a great idea.

[Phantom]

Phantom, I can't extrapolate from the photos, would your innovative extension fit in the saddlebag? I could make up a simple microfiber drawstring bag. Pop the shield on, eighty miles to bike night, take the shield off at the cities edge and have a cooler ride through town. I think your shield is a great idea.

Great suggestion!

Just went out to my garage and .... YES :biggthumpup: it fits in the saddlebags

[austin_tech]

I like the idea, Phantom. I have a Baggershield adjustable and love the flexibility. I sent them an email about possibly using some bicycle seat post cam bolts for quick releases instead of the bolt/wing nut theory, which gets old adjusting twice daily and isn't the most attractive. I never heard squat from them, though. I'm a fan of new ideas, and yours may be a great solution.

[BillyDaFinn]

Great idea, I'd spend money on this, sign me up. Maybe it could come with a felt sleeve so when you put it in the saddlebag it wouldn't get scratched? I haven't changed out my shield yet since I don't want chnage the character of the bike, but I would do this! Good stuff Phantom!

[Phantom]

:cheers:

Looks better in person mounted !!!!! I will be making the bottom edge lower by about 1/2 inch.

Prototype mounted on a F6B ... LOOKING over the flip without taking away from the awesome look of the F6B.

Everyone at this dealership agreed :headbang:



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg.html)


http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/32dc4c17-64ca-4954-ba13-7fe09038e8d9_zpsc98f53e7.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/32dc4c17-64ca-4954-ba13-7fe09038e8d9_zpsc98f53e7.jpg.html)

[bobbyf6b]

:cheers:

Looks better in person mounted !!!!! I will be making the bottom edge lower by about 1/2 inch.

Prototype mounted on a F6B ... LOOKING over the flip without taking away from the awesome look of the F6B.

Everyone at this dealership agreed :headbang:



http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/4fa1a8df-3853-4e13-8984-34e7f3c4253b_zpsd6af7bb0.jpg.html)


http://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q787/Hondaf6b/32dc4c17-64ca-4954-ba13-7fe09038e8d9_zpsc98f53e7.jpg (http://s1359.photobucket.com/user/Hondaf6b/media/32dc4c17-64ca-4954-ba13-7fe09038e8d9_zpsc98f53e7.jpg.html)

I have to say, that looks great and is a great idea! Now can you do something to cover up that ugly mug? :duck: :icon_mrgreen:

[bobbyf6b]

My suggestion would be to make the bottom edge match the lines of the rubber strip at the base of the stock shield.

[Phantom]

Now can you do something to cover up that ugly mug? :duck: :icon_mrgreen:

:tissue: here is my best side just for you :moon:

[Phantom]

My suggestion would be to make the bottom edge match the lines of the rubber strip at the base of the stock shield.

Yes, I had made that same comment at the dealership , the other idea would be to make the bottom sides match the rubber strip angle and make the center cut-out half the size for airflow to still get in underneath it so that the rider doesn't have stagnant air.

By the way, I've seen your mug .... nothing to write home about :pbt:

I heard that even Camels in Iraq would start running the opposite direction once they spotted that weapon of mass unsightliness !!! :nutkick:

[bobbyf6b]

By the way, I've seen your mug .... nothing to write home about :pbt:

I heard that even Camels in Iraq would start running the opposite direction once they spotted that weapon of mass unsightliness !!! :nutkick:

OUCH. That's why I keep it covered up. :icon_cool:

5406

[Hornblower]

Nice job, Tony :clap2:

[Darren]

Great idea, can you get it into production by the end of May so I don't have to swap out my screen

[Phantom]

Great idea, can you get it into production by the end of May so I don't have to swap out my screen

Darren, your time line will not work. I'm still in the process of testing and modifying the brackets. :icon_cool:

[1951vbs]

Glad I kept running my stock shield. This looks like it could work and still keeps the shorty looks.

I also wonder if those brackets could be used to hang a GPS from.

[smokinjoe187]

As a prototype machinist of many years it does my heart good to see you fellas getting along and adding positive feed back
I think in therory the idea is great.
frankly the stock shield buffeted my head so bad my ears rang..I currently ride a goldwing factory tall that i modified for daily driving(19250miles)
my biggest complaint with the windshield was the area between the mirrors and the shield.
Keep up the great work as always" old guys do rule" we get shit done!!
SmokinJoe

[Fla_rider]

Any updates on this? When will we be able to order ~cost.....?.batman-smilie.

[Phantom]

:cheers:

Still working on it, met with a windshield company last week and I was disappointed, they no longer produce shields "in house" they sub out all of their production which in turn adds another middle man and increases the cost. Their facility is nothing more than a assembly and shipping warehouse.

This project is on "HOLD" until the fall, just don't have time to pursue further at this moment. :icon_cool:

[misterc]

Hell, why take up room in the bag to store it. Mount it on the rear deck like a spoiler. Half serious.

[austin_tech]

Are you still pursuing this? It is Fall now :) Was on a long ride the other day and was thinking about your adjustable shield. Very interested, I think it's a great idea.

[Bruce B]

Sometimes a piece of equipment just "looks right" and it often ends up working as well as it looks. I'd guess that this is going to be one of those cases. I really like my Madstad but can see this as a great alternative.

[Bruce B]

Some ideas just "look right" and this is one of them. I"d guess that it will work as well as it looks. I really like my Madstad but think that your idea is going to be a popular alternative to it.

[Phantom]

:icon_cool::yes:

Well, when I started this venture, I had acquired parts from 3 different suppliers.

I recently discovered 3 European manufacturers producing a FLIP shield using similar or the same parts from the same suppliers.

None have a F6B specific deflector but they might work.

I'm just too busy to continue this project knowing that there is something out there that may accomplish the same.

Here are 4 links .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDfJyXnIQ0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhzZWzVLNIw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKgcZcDqCE4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6htITtOzAy4

[austin_tech]

:icon_cool::yes:

Well, when I started this venture, I had acquired parts from 3 different suppliers.

I recently discovered 3 European manufacturers producing a FLIP shield using similar or the same parts from the same suppliers.

None have a F6B specific deflector but they might work.

I'm just too busy to continue this project knowing that there is something out there that may accomplish the same.

Here are 4 links .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDfJyXnIQ0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhzZWzVLNIw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKgcZcDqCE4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6htITtOzAy4

I ordered the Wunderlich, will give it a shot and see how it works.

[Bill1584]

Sorry to read that the flip is off the burner. A great idea to be certain. Should you pick it back up as a project, and should you need a beta tester, I am available! I like the look of yours better than what could be put together with the parts shown above.

[chaz76vette]

What do you guys think of this:
http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/MRA_X-creen_Motorcycle_Screen_Flip_Spoiler_Air_Deflector .html
It appears to be a similar concept to the one proposed in this thread, but is in production now.
Has anyone used this and can provide feedback?

[ths61]

Sorry to read that the flip is off the burner. A great idea to be certain. Should you pick it back up as a project, and should you need a beta tester, I am available! I like the look of yours better than what could be put together with the parts shown above.

It would be great if they would sell the brackets by themselves so one could re-purpose their old screens.

13931

[Old Ryder]

I am OK with the Madstad now. That is after the stock, Klockwerks, and Baggershield. What I really loved was the MRA on my Kingpin. The stock shield with a "spoiler" mounted to deflect the majority of the wind was what I think fits the style of the B. When you flipped up the spoiler on the MRA, you got surprising protection from a small amount of plastic. Here it is fully retracted.

[CheesyRider]

Has anyone used this and can provide feedback?

My wife has one on her BMW R1200R. The addition of the MRA deflector made a noticeable improvement in buffeting and wind noise, but I still find both too much for my liking. She loves it though. I'm 5'11" and she's 5'8".

Unfortunately, I can't review it on the F6B. I swapped to the Honda tall shield before I ever took my first ride. If I had been thinking, I would have tried it out before I put my new shield on. I can't imagine I'd like it better than what I have now, so I don't see taking the trouble to put the original windshield back on.

If anyone in the Twin Cities area would like to borrow the MRA deflector for a few days, I'm sure my wife wouldn't mind. Just shoot me a PM.

13942

[chaz76vette]

My wife has one on her BMW R1200R. The addition of the MRA deflector made a noticeable improvement in buffeting and wind noise, but I still find both too much for my liking. She loves it though. I'm 5'11" and she's 5'8".

Unfortunately, I can't review it on the F6B. I swapped to the Honda tall shield before I ever took my first ride. If I had been thinking, I would have tried it out before I put my new shield on. I can't imagine I'd like it better than what I have now, so I don't see taking the trouble to put the original windshield back on.

If anyone in the Twin Cities area would like to borrow the MRA deflector for a few days, I'm sure my wife wouldn't mind. Just shoot me a PM.

13942

Great feedback - thanks!
It's a funky looking little shield, but it appears to accomplish what they are talking about in this thread; a detachable non-permanent windshield mod

[stevenolts]

I have this on my 81 Honda CB750K it is one of the best things I have added to the bike.
It is a Givi AirFlo Universal Windshield. It was a little pricey but worth every penny. I can now comfortably ride 80-90mph without being blown off the bike.

3016
Steve

[Limoles]

It look , like ROBO BRACKETS can be obtained from MadStad Engineering . Here is their WebSite .


http://www.madstad.com/s.nl/sc.7/category.888/.f