The Middle East Problem in 5 minutes by Dennis Prager

[SmallPasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8

[Hornblower]

This is a video that more people need to watch. As the author so simply stated, the truth is not complicated at all. Unfortunately, our current regime and drive-by media are doing all they can to make terriorists seem not so bad and to cast Israel as the "bad guys" :banghead:.

[SmallPasture]

This is a video that more people need to watch. As the author so simply stated, the truth is not complicated at all. Unfortunately, our current regime and drive-by media are doing all they can to make terriorists seem not so bad and to cast Israel as the "bad guys" :banghead:.

Can not agree with you more HornBlower!

I read an article by Thomas Sowell today titled "Is thinking now obsolete?" and here is the quote that stuck in my head:

"Has any other country, in any other war, been expected to keep the enemy’s civilian casualties no higher than its own civilian casualties? The idea that Israel should do so did not originate among the masses but among the educated intelligentsia."

Heres the link to the article.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/is-thinking-now-obsolete/

[shooter]

Pasture I may be wrong but it seems to me that most people would rather let someone else do their thinking for them. My family has owned a business for 45 yrs. Now this is just Shooter thinking out loud. I come in contact with a lot of people. I think that 80% of all people are just FUBARed. Of the remaining 20% fully half of them have serious issues. So only 10% of the people walking around are worth a shyt. Again that's just me thinking out loud. I run about 200 cars a month thru my shop. We are just a small shop. I literally know everyone in this area. Very few have the sense god gave a goose. I never cease to be amazed at the goofy shyt I see on a daily basis. If you have some common sense and the ability to think for yourself and don't depend on a computer for all your social interaction then you are a rarity. I still hunt , fish , ride my scooters and hand wash my truck , car , and bikes. Yeah I'm a dinosaur. About 200 people a month need my dumb ass.

[Darren]

The disproportionate numbers of casualties tells the story and no matter what the reasons keeping a whole populous prisoner and denying them basic rights is inhuman.

[SmallPasture]

The disproportionate numbers of casualties tells the story and no matter what the reasons keeping a whole populous prisoner and denying them basic rights is inhuman.


Uh...I believe that would be Hama's doing. Of course they (Palestiniens) did elect this know terrorist organization as their gov't. Who's sole purpose (it's in their charter) is the destruction of the jewish people. Hmmmmm.... Just lovely...

If you poke a bigger guy with a stick long enough he's gunna poke ya back. Simple as that.

[Darren]

Uh...I believe that would be Hama's doing. Of course they (Palestiniens) did elect this know terrorist organization as their gov't. Who's sole purpose (it's in their charter) is the destruction of the jewish people. Hmmmmm.... Just lovely...

If you poke a bigger guy with a stick long enough he's gunna poke ya back. Simple as that.

Guess that's ok then to kill innocents

[Hornblower]

Guess that's ok then to kill innocents

Apparently, it's totally OK for Hamas since that is their main objective. Let's not lose sight of who the real terrorists are here.

[SmallPasture]

Common sense tells me if you put rockets in and around schools/hospitals/mosques/hotels and then you launch from said places. Sure, some innocent is going be lost when the retaliation happens, but to blame it on the one responding to the rockets flying over their innocents is proof that the worlds Moral Compass is in need of calibration! Just saying....:shrug:

oh and look what an Indian (not american) news crew captured from their hotel window just the other day in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/05/Watch-Hamas-Fires-Rocket-From-Neighborhood


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/05/Video-Indian-TV-Crew-Catches-Hamas-Firing-Rocket-from-Outside-Their-Hotel

Oh, and don't let me for get to mention Hama has a Terror..er...uh...Combat Manual....Enjoy!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/04/Hamas-Combat-Manual-Endorses-Use-of-Civilian-Human-Shields

[Darren]

Apparently, it's totally OK for Hamas since that is their main objective. Let's not lose sight of who the real terrorists are here.

The problem with blanket statements are they are just that, one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter

The people in the Gazza strip have no where to go they are blockaded

in the most recent fighting Israel suffered 60 casualties (mostly army) the Palestinians 2000 (mostly civilians) including a UN shelter

The video over simplifies the issues in this region. Glad there is a halt in the proceedings, hopefully they can find a long term solution.

[SmallPasture]

in the most recent fighting Israel suffered 60 casualties (mostly army) the Palestinians 2000 (mostly civilians) including a UN shelter.

What do you expect when the Palestinians and the U.N. allow,Hamas to store and fire their rockets from close to the shelters/schools/hospitals/mosques/etc......


The people in the Gazza strip have no where to go they are blockaded

True but by their own doing. As soon as Israel gave the Palestinians the Gazza strip in an effort for peace, Hamas was there shortly after digging tunnels and setting up rockets. They (Hamas) has turned the Gazza Strip into a DMZ, not Israel.



Glad there is a halt in the proceedings, hopefully they can find a long term solution.

Agreed and we can only hope!

Of course Hamas will do as they always do and re-fortify, re-arm right next to the shelters/schools/hospitals/hotels/mosques/etc.. I linked an article about Hamas having a Combat Manual.....which calls for the human shields. I'm not sure how one could call them "Freedom Fighters":shrug:

[Kurare79]

I don't understand the political behavior at all. Since when are "we" negotiating with terrorists?

It doesn't matter if this is a religious war or whatever. Someone gets attacked again and again. When he strikes back he suddenly gets blamed world wide by the media. Where was this media when he had the victims on his side?

[Darren]

I don't understand the political behavior at all. Since when are "we" negotiating with terrorists?



Negotiation is the only way to resolve these issues ie IRA, ANC etc

[Kurare79]

@Darren: I hope you're right. Even though i don't think fanatics like the Hamas wants to communicate and find a peaceful resolution at all.

[bobbyf6b]

You can't negotiate with people that won't negotiate. :icon_doh:

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I honestly can't understand the controversy. If the Palestinians don't like the situation, they need to change it. Kill Hamas or learn to swim. I'm sick of the "they have nowhere to go" argument. If they wanted to go they would figure it out. If you're just fishing for an argument then you got me. Do Canadians really care anyway? Nobody hates them. Well, maybe the French Canadians. :icon_lol:

[SmallPasture]

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:icon_frown:

[Darren]

is a true version of the conflict


http://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY

[Steve 0080]

Well I am and always have been for the underdog..... seems to me if you are Christian then you are for , if you are for anyone else then that would put you into the group of folks that don't believe and or are muslim....

This area is sacred to Christians and we/they believe it should survive at any cost! And the other non-believers believe if this sacred land is bombed away, changing the rest to the world to either non believers or muslim would be almost a given.


People have no stomach for what is being done. I blame the deaths of the innocents on the people who place them in the way...this gives the simple minded news reporters a podium on which to stand saying Israel is bad.. I guess for me when someone openly states which side they chose then I know which Bible they read....sadly these folks have been fighting for 1000's of years and a 1000 years from now they will be still fighting,,,,main difference will be the US will be broke sitting on the side lines hoping that we can save our country as it is now being taken over by the above and only a matter of time before we have the same fighting in the streets to keep certain towns Christian and the others muslim.....

[Cool Hand Luke]

I hate politics but after reading this thread I felt compelled to respond.

I agree that terrorism should not be tolerated. The only problem is, who are the terrorist here? It depends on your point of view and whose side are you on. There is no real 'good guys' vs. 'bad guys' here, as much as we'd like to believe there is.

I want to point out I am not a Jewish or Muslim (I am Christian). I simply looked at the evidence and history and I refuse to be brainwashed by the media. Of course I may be wrong and biased but the truth isn't, as long as we are willing to accept the facts.

The following link is a well presented summary of a fairly recent history of the region. There are a lot of historical events presented in some detail, but the history of the region is very rich:

http://youtu.be/wb6IiSUxpgw

The following video is longer but very interesting. This is an Israeli man, a son of a famous Israeli general, doing a presentation in Seattle in 2012 regarding the Israeli Palestinian struggle. He wrote a book about it:

http://youtu.be/TOaxAckFCuQ

Interestingly enough, you will see in the above video who he believes to be acting as terrorist.

Here is another video of a seminar on Israeli Palestinian conflict by an American scholar as presented at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland Ohio:

http://youtu.be/h9Q_8ZrYku4

I would like to point this: Palestinians are not just some other 'terrorist nation' and Israel is not an innocent 'victim' in this whole mess and vice versa. If you are very shallow in your investigation of the conflict and mostly get your 'news' from CNN and other major media without doing your own deeper research, than you will have a very narrow understanding of the problem.

I think it's unjust to think of Palestinians in the same category as Al Caeda et al. This is a completely different issue than Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dennis Prager video posted earlier in this thread is overly simplified view of the conflict by simply ignoring many facts in order to make an extremely one sided argument. In fact posting of that video made me respond.

Personally I condemn terrorist actions on both sides and killing innocent people on both sides should be condemned and stopped. I believe Jews and Palestinians can both coexist peacefully as long as their political leaders stop misleading their own people.

Now let's stop all this foolishness and go ride bikes!.dickie-deals.

[Darren]

:lolup:
I hate politics but after reading this thread I felt compelled to respond.

I agree that terrorism should not be tolerated. The only problem is, who are the terrorist here? It depends on your point of view and whose side are you on. There is no real 'good guys' vs. 'bad guys' here, as much as we'd like to believe there is.

I want to point out I am not a Jewish or Muslim (I am Christian). I simply looked at the evidence and history and I refuse to be brainwashed by the media. Of course I may be wrong and biased but the truth isn't, as long as we are willing to accept the facts.

The following link is a well presented summary of a fairly recent history of the region. There are a lot of historical events presented in some detail, but the history of the region is very rich:

http://youtu.be/wb6IiSUxpgw

The following video is longer but very interesting. This is an Israeli man, a son of a famous Israeli general, doing a presentation in Seattle in 2012 regarding the Israeli Palestinian struggle. He wrote a book about it:

http://youtu.be/TOaxAckFCuQ

Interestingly enough, you will see in the above video who he believes to be acting as terrorist.

Here is another video of a seminar on Israeli Palestinian conflict by an American scholar as presented at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland Ohio:

http://youtu.be/h9Q_8ZrYku4

I would like to point this: Palestinians are not just some other 'terrorist nation' and Israel is not an innocent 'victim' in this whole mess and vice versa. If you are very shallow in your investigation of the conflict and mostly get your 'news' from CNN and other major media without doing your own deeper research, than you will have a very narrow understanding of the problem.

I think it's unjust to think of Palestinians in the same category as Al Caeda et al. This is a completely different issue than Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dennis Prager video posted earlier in this thread is overly simplified view of the conflict by simply ignoring many facts in order to make an extremely one sided argument. In fact posting of that video made me respond.

Personally I condemn terrorist actions on both sides and killing innocent people on both sides should be condemned and stopped. I believe Jews and Palestinians can both coexist peacefully as long as their political leaders stop misleading their own people.

Now let's stop all this foolishness and go ride bikes!.dickie-deals.

:lolup::lolup:+1

[Steve 0080]

A Jewish Boycott

A short time ago, Iran 's Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei urged the Muslim World to boycott anything and everything that originates with the Jewish people.

In response, Meyer M. Treinkman, a pharmacist, out of the kindness of his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:

"Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew. If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.

"A Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis, a discovery by a Jew, Ludwig Traube.

Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.

If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of research by Minkowsky, a Jew. If one has a headache, he must shun Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.

Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew, Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate.

Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud, father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.

Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the “Schick" reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.

"Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Jewish Nobel Prize winner, Robert Baram.

They should continue to die or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.

"Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.

Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by dermatologist Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel, and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.

"In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus, Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be proud to obey the Islamic boycott."

Oh, and by the way, don't call for a doctor on your cell phone because the cell phone was invented in Israel by a Jewish engineer.

Meanwhile I ask, what medical contributions to the world have the Muslims made?"

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ."

Benjamin Netanyahu: General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 65 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?