Strange motorcycle crash story

[Ericb445]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/motorcyclist-shot-by-his-own-gun-during-bizarre-hit-and-run-collision-in-black-hawk

Be careful out there. If you have carry permit how do you carry on your bike, if you care to share?

I tend to pocket carry in an uncle mikes holster.

[Steve 0080]

File this under strange...did the guy pull the weapon to shoot the Hit and Run guy?, was the safety off and the gun discharge, was it cocked/loaded w/wo a safety ...to much not being told here.....

[shooter]

Lately I've been carrying in pocket Desantis Nemesis. Springfield XDs 45ACP. Sometimes on the ankle. Alessi ankle rig with a Kimber Super Carry Ultra. Sometimes the XD like that also. Depends on how high the boot is I'm wearing. These days the pocket carry seems to be my favorite. That Nemesis makes a gun disappear.

[jaygollner]

Glock # 36 with a Pierce +1 grip in a De Santis pocket holster.

[luckyluciano]

Not trying to hijack but I have to ask. I'm from Canada and with all due respect to our American friends, I do not own a weapon and never ever thought of it. Yes, I grew up with a dad from the military with a gun and I have shot and killed more animals with it than most hunters ever will. Yes we have crime but odds are so low I've never considered defending myself by shooting someone. It would end me up in the slammer and I don't want to be raped. Not a good alternative. Lol .

Are things that bad down there that you have such a need?
(Ya, I 've heard the constitution stance but I still don't get the obsession)

Not afraid of being flamed here because I know you won't try and shoot me ! It will end you up in jail where you will get raped instead of me. Lol!

Besides , Too many other things to worry about when riding. Wouldn't want to worry about a gun going off as well.

[shooter]

Its not bad in all places. But you never know. A wise man once said "its better to be tried by twelve than carried by six". In other words better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Its not for everyone. I've been carrying concealed for 32 years. Way before it was legal in my state. I feel naked without one. Might sound stupid to you but its as common as putting my wallet in my pocket.,

[Hornblower]

Are things that bad down there that you have such a need?
(Ya, I 've heard the constitution stance but I still don't get the obsession)



For sure, Lucky, this is a legitimate question. Here's something to consider...the fact that many are walking around carrying concealed is a huge deterrent to bad things happening. Just review the news and you start realizing that many, if not most, of the mass shootings have occured in places where guns were supposedly prohibited. These were places like schools, theaters, restaurants, etc. who posted no weapons notices. That's like a welcome sign to any bad guys who want to harm others. So yes, IMHO, we need more "good people" carrying guns and fewer places prohibiting them. That said, it's a huge responsibility to carry and one to be taken very, very seriously.

BTW, my personal favorite is a Sig P238. It's very small and amazingly accurate. And, with todays' ammo, can definitely do some damage.

[kcmike]

Responsible gun owners are the first to grieve the loss of innocent life to senseless shootings, and the last to "pull" unless absolutely necessary. The mass shootings, and most shootings for that matter, are by irresponsible people. The responsible people who carry probably have the most respect for the life-taking power of their weapons.

Here's where I'm afraid I'll get flamed. Having said that, and as a responsible gun owner myself, I am not opposed to some kind of REASONABLE (we can argue all day on what "reasonable" is) restrictions on obtaining a weapon, in an effort to keep them out of the hands of the nutjobs. I'm not sure what that would be, but I wish gun enthusiasts could keep from freaking out at the phrase "gun regulation" so that we can at least have a discussion (heated if necessary) about how me might go about keeping guns in the hands of the responsible and out of the hands of the nuts. Just don't shut down the discussion as a knee jerk reaction to the words "gun regulation." The goal is to fully protect the rights for responsible people, but not let the nuts tarnish that beloved right.

[austin_tech]

Are things that bad down there that you have such a need?
(Ya, I 've heard the constitution stance but I still don't get the obsession)

Nah, no need, this is a cultural trend of late. Some of the southern states have liberalized gun regulations to the point of absurdity. Wear a kevlar vest in AZ or OK, it's the Wild West, baby!

Also, carrying a firearm with a round chambered (I presume the motorcyclist in the article did) is not a good idea unless you're in a war zone and there is an imminent threat. That's basic military training. It's also common sense.

And yes, I have firearms and a CC: license.

[Deer Slayer]

Not trying to hijack but I have to ask. I'm from Canada and with all due respect to our American friends, I do not own a weapon and never ever thought of it. Yes, I grew up with a dad from the military with a gun and I have shot and killed more animals with it than most hunters ever will. Yes we have crime but odds are so low I've never considered defending myself by shooting someone. It would end me up in the slammer and I don't want to be raped. Not a good alternative. Lol .

Are things that bad down there that you have such a need?
(Ya, I 've heard the constitution stance but I still don't get the obsession)

Not afraid of being flamed here because I know you won't try and shoot me ! It will end you up in jail where you will get raped instead of me. Lol!

Besides , Too many other things to worry about when riding. Wouldn't want to worry about a gun going off as well.
It tis called people on DRUGS! You have the same problem in your part of North America. :cheers:

[GothamVengeance]

I know that intersection well. Consider me extra-paranoid from now on.

[Westernbiker]

It is not a need to carry a firearm, it is more of a want. Do I want to be able to defend myself, my family and my friends, if I, or we, are caught in a potentially fatal situation? YES is my answer to that question. Not everyone thinks the same way. Not everyone will be put in a dangerous situation where protecting your life is at hand. If it happens to me, I will be prepared for it to some degree and NOT a definite statistic!
After all.........I do live in the WILD WILD WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!:icon_mrgreen:

[Scotrod]

Lotsa folks get the impression the US is bad due to all the 'guns'. :shrug:

I don't carry. Don't see that changing anytime soon.

Lotsa responsible gun owners out there, but you rarely ever hear of 'em because they are not causing anyone any trouble!!!

Also got some folks that are flat azz infatuated with guns, and for several different reasons, both legitimate, and not so legitimate.

Like they say, better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it,,,, That's why I carry a screwdriver in my tool kit. Used it 3 times now in less than a year. My need for a gun in 50 years? 0. :shrug:

YMMV 'kickthecan'

[austin_tech]

It is not a need to carry a firearm, it is more of a want. Do I want to be able to defend myself, my family and my friends, if I, or we, are caught in a potentially fatal situation? YES is my answer to that question. Not everyone thinks the same way. Not everyone will be put in a dangerous situation where protecting your life is at hand. If it happens to me, I will be prepared for it to some degree and NOT a definite statistic!
After all.........I do live in the WILD WILD WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!:icon_mrgreen:

Let's turn the Wild West into a grand Death Star finale!
Anyone up for packing a 2W laser? Instantly blind your assailant day or night, up to several kilometers away!

http://www.wickedlasers.com/arctic

[darcym]

Lotsa folks get the impression the US is bad due to all the 'guns'. :shrug:

I don't carry. Don't see that changing anytime soon.

Lotsa responsible gun owners out there, but you rarely ever hear of 'em because they are not causing anyone any trouble!!!

Also got some folks that are flat azz infatuated with guns, and for several different reasons, both legitimate, and not so legitimate.

Like they say, better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it,,,, That's why I carry a screwdriver in my tool kit. Used it 3 times now in less than a year. My need for a gun in 50 years? 0. :shrug:

YMMV 'kickthecan'

+1

I don't begrudge those who want to carry or feel the need to carry, personally I don't. I've never felt the need to protect myself beyond locking my doors and keeping a big dog.

[motozeke]

I'd like to see a high training requirement for people to pack heat on their hips. I don't view concealed carry as a constitutional or moral right; I think you need to demonstrate a high level of personal responsibility and a thorough knowledge of gun safety, because everyone has neighbors.

This guy obviously didn't practice elemental gun safety, and we have one more needless gun death because of it. Could've been a bystander besides. How many people die every week because somebody was "sure" the gun wasn't loaded?

Gun rights supporters (of which I am one, just not unlimited rights) like to point out that gun rights should be preserved for "responsible, law-abiding" gun owners and I agree 100%. You should demonstrate responsibility through training, and if you do something stupid like have an accidental discharge then you lose your right, at least for a period of time. Why would that even be controversial? Instead this is what we get: constant paranoia that any restrictions at all mean that gubmint wants to take all your guns away. And since that motivation must be behind every single piece of regulation, behind every single law, then all laws and regulations must be opposed. Mindless and counter-productive. I just don't get it.:icon_rolleyes:

[Scotrod]

Responsible gun owners are the first to grieve the loss of innocent life to senseless shootings, and the last to "pull" unless absolutely necessary. The mass shootings, and most shootings for that matter, are by irresponsible people. The responsible people who carry probably have the most respect for the life-taking power of their weapons.

Here's where I'm afraid I'll get flamed. Having said that, and as a responsible gun owner myself, I am not opposed to some kind of REASONABLE (we can argue all day on what "reasonable" is) restrictions on obtaining a weapon, in an effort to keep them out of the hands of the nutjobs. I'm not sure what that would be, but I wish gun enthusiasts could keep from freaking out at the phrase "gun regulation" so that we can at least have a discussion (heated if necessary) about how me might go about keeping guns in the hands of the responsible and out of the hands of the nuts. Just don't shut down the discussion as a knee jerk reaction to the words "gun regulation." The goal is to fully protect the rights for responsible people, but not let the nuts tarnish that beloved right.

I agree.

Regulation is so controversial,,, Ya got the 'no guns' folks, and the 'no gun laws' group, and those in the middle. :shrug:

Even making it more difficult, the folks we don't want getting guns usually don't abide by the laws designed to keep them from getting guns,,, so the effectiveness of the laws is 'a bit gray'. Hundreds of thousands of guns exist, so naturally, not every one will be 'exchanged' in a regulated manner,,,

[The Highwayman]

I ride with my sawed off Winchester M1887 in my left hand. Never failed me on my 1990 HD Fat Boy that I used to ride!!!

Sorry I couldn't resist....

[Scotrod]

Back to the OT,,,

Like Steve said, need more info as what we've been told is not nearly enough to know how it happened,,,

I know very little about handguns,,, Would it be possible for a revolver on a loaded chamber to receive enough force on the hammer to fire? I know there are mechanisms in place to prevent this, but would enough force render those systems ineffective?

[shooter]

Some of your older single action revolvers that would be possible Scot. Anything of recent manufacture it would be impossible. The trigger has to be pulled to the rear before its possible for the hammer to go forward.

[Scotrod]

Thanks Shooter!

Trouble is, I bet we never will know what the heck really happened,,, :icon_frown:

[RcBtx1999]

I carry my XDs 3.3 in a Gould B893 Holster. It is thick leather, well formed to the semi auto pistol and is lined, it is an inside the pants holster. It has a strong clip on it and over my 2" belt it stays snug in my pants where I intend it to stay. Of course I have not fallen or been knocked off this motorcycle yet to see if it stays, but the XDs has enough safety features to keep it from firing. I'm thinking this guy must have had a revolver, or as previously noted a cocked and locked semi. The world, especially here in the USA is crazy these days, I never go without a pistol....anywhere. I've had armed confrontations and it's over before it began and even worse if you are not heeled. Additionally, I carry another magazine in the cubby. If you find yourself in one of these road rage incidents, use you bike like a horse in a western movie and take cover behind it after rolling it over on it's side, try to retrieve your spare mag before letting it go to the high side. Shoot to kill, and don't get out of the fight until the threat is neutralized. If you run, he will probably take you down. My two cents.:stirthepot:

[RcBtx1999]

Nah, no need, this is a cultural trend of late. Some of the southern states have liberalized gun regulations to the point of absurdity. Wear a kevlar vest in AZ or OK, it's the Wild West, baby!

Also, carrying a firearm with a round chambered (I presume the motorcyclist in the article did) is not a good idea unless you're in a war zone and there is an imminent threat. That's basic military training. It's also common sense.

And yes, I have firearms and a CC: license.

I have carried a weapon, mostly pistols since 1978, everyday. An unchambered pistol, you may as well leave at home or in the trunk. Never had an accidental discharge (with a pistol), practice regularly and shoot to KILL. In this state (TEXAS) the law has changed, anyone can carry in or on their VEHICLE without a Concealed Carry. You can't carry into anyplace whose main revenue is 51% or greater of Alcoholic Beverages even if you are a Concealed Carry holder. State Police are authorized to carry for life as long as they qualify annually. All other Police fall under the Federal Law which allows Honorably Retired Police to Carry in any State under the credentials issued to them upon retirement.FYI:stirthepot:

[Spanky]

This is an interesting thread, I think, for me, caring a legal weapon is an essential piece of riding gear. Just like boots and helmets. I'm not going to "out" my carrying practice, but there are many safe ways to carry concealed. A high quality gun, for instance, has built in safety engineering to prevent accidental discharge. Plus 1 on the Sig brand, P50 compact is a great choice, or something heavier in the winter when you have more clothing. A P229/228 is fine for that. In states with open carry, like Texas and AZ, that's an option that if you choose, is a great deterrent from dip$h!t drivers. for some odd reason, they see a gun, but not a 850 lb motorcycle with bright lights... Go figure. If you wear a vest, coronado leather makes a good choice. I've seen the clipdraw holster clip (google it) that is cheap and awesome- unless its really cold. The cubby holds a compact nicely, and is easy to get to.

I guess it's dealers choice, but be sure you can get to it in a hurry if you need to , and it's safe and secure. As motorcyclists we are exposed to the world more then others, and I for one feel better protected.

I had a buddy run down a few years ago in an intersection, and lost his right leg. The witnesses all said it was intentional, and the driver made sure to hit him, back up and drive away. In my book, that's an assault with a deadly weapon. If he managed to get a shot off, or his passenger, the assailant would have had to explain the bullet hole in his car. or maybe had to go to the hospital. instead, he had the car fixed in a body shop ( which we found, by the way) and eventually fled the country back to Honduras. no charges were filed, and the biker buddy is in debt to this day for medical bills, but still riding with a prosthetic.

So, I carry. where, you ask? hope you never have to find out....

[luckyluciano]

Here in Canada it's the reverse . If you are in a room with a someone carrying a gun, it's so out if the ordinary and illegal that you immediately think to leave the room with your women and children. You realize the guy is a nutbar, mentally unstable and dangerous . No way I would want to get into a shoot out with him. I would leave the premises immediately with people I care about and leave the enforcement to the professionals that do this everyday, trained for it, risk their lives as part of their job.
I'm not superhuman and no ones life is a Dirty Harry movie.

Is it even legal to shoot someone?

Thank goodness the guy who was riding didn't shoot an innocent.

[Scotrod]

ng. A P229/228 is fine for that. In states with open carry, like Texas and AZ, that's an option that if you choose, is a great deterrent from dip$h!t drivers. for some odd reason, they see a gun, but not a 850 lb motorcycle with bright lights...

So how many 'dipshit drivers' have you shot/killed, or do you just wave it around for effect? :shrug:

[Hornblower]

Lucky--A couple of things...first, we're talking about concealed carry so you usually have no idea that someone is "armed". Second, using your weapon is only legal if you are in fear of serious bodily harm. Even then, you may be depending on a jury to clear you in the event you shoot someone. Bottom line is, you don't even pull your weapon unless the threat is clear and imminent. To be honest, I don't believe the short training class for concealed carry is nearly enough training to fully prepare one for EDC. Most people don't really want the responsibility of carrying and possibly having to use a gun to protect themselves or others. All the "others" are just hoping someone else will be around to protect them if something bad happens.

[Scotrod]

I'm not superhuman and no ones life is a Dirty Harry movie.

Is it even legal to shoot someone?



Well, ya know, whether some want to admit it or not, the mentality of a 'Dirty Harry',,, or a John Wayne, or whatever gunslinger or rap-star they think is a good example of 'rough-tough/don't mess with me!!!' is indeed personified in their thoughts. Pretty easy to buy a piece and strap on a new attitude/identity. Happens every minute in da hood...

But, IMHO, this is not the definition of everyone who has a gun. Most who carry responsibly don't really 'advertise' say a lot about it unless they are in a group discussion of that subject. Some may even tell you they don't carry,,,,,,

Yes, in some instances, it's perfectly legal to shoot someone. The saying we have here in TX is make sure you drag them inside your house...

[shooter]

I'm not believing this story. Guys even if it was a 1911 cocked and locked someone had to depress the grip safety, flip the safety off and pull the trigger. Like I said an old single action revolver , SAA or old black hawk that hadn't been updated. Maybe even a cheap POS revolver that the safety features failed. And how was he carrying it that it shot him in the chest. In the 32 years that I've carried on a daily basis I have had two head on collisions in my truck , neither my fault , wrecked four wheelers many times , fallen while walking in the woods at night coon hunting , been thrown by horses , and many other physical activities. I've never had an AD carrying numerous types of firearms. I'm just skeptical.

[Scotrod]

Most people don't really want the responsibility of carrying and possibly having to use a gun to protect themselves or others. All the "others" are just hoping someone else will be around to protect them if something bad happens.

There is another group,,,, Those who naturally avoid potential hazards, and live life w/o weapons or worry. (Way, way more common than carrying a weapon, actually. :shrug:)

Those who proclaim their 'faith',,, If the man upstairs want's you to live, you'll live. The opposite is just as true, weapon or not. All he asks is 'Don't be a complete damn fool in the meantime!!' :icon_biggrin:

[Scotrod]

I'm not believing this story. Guys even if it was a 1911 cocked and locked someone had to depress the grip safety, flip the safety off and pull the trigger. Like I said an old single action revolver , SAA or old black hawk that hadn't been updated. Maybe even a cheap POS revolver that the safety features failed. And how was he carrying it that it shot him in the chest. In the 32 years that I've carried on a daily basis I have had two head on collisions in my truck , neither my fault , wrecked four wheelers many times , fallen while walking in the woods at night coon hunting , been thrown by horses , and many other physical activities. I've never had an AD carrying numerous types of firearms. I'm just skeptical.

Completely understandable. Unclear if any 'repeated tumbling/interaction between rider/bike etc' could have lined up all the sequences/applications of pressure in correct area's to AD. Again, we'll probably never know,,,

My dad carries a old Korean war surplus 45 wrapped in a towel in the car door when traveling. I was driving them around Houston in their car. Opened the door and the damn thing fell out onto the street,,, "Nice, Dad,,, real nice,,," LOL!

I wasn't worried about AD as I know the weapon and my Dad,,, just not real happy about his 'method of carry'. (With my luck, a cop would see it and then we'd have some 'splainin to do! LOL!)

FWIW, if you ever see my dad's 45, you won't live to tell about it. Other than that, unless you are family/close friend, you'll never see or hear about it. Just the way it is.

[shooter]

That us so true Scot. Some people walk around oblivious to their surroundings.Even though I always carry I avoid trouble spots like the plague.I have actually pulled up to a destination and said I'm not going in there. Most responsible people that carry don't want to have to use it. You can avoid most problems by being aware if your surroundings. Jeff Cooper talked about 4 conditions of awareness. Green , this is the one where you are oblivious. Yellow , you have a handle on your surroundings and are watchful. Orange , heightened awareness , you have noticed potential trouble and are formulating a plan of action if the problem escalates. Red , the shyt has hit the fan and your are implementing the aforementioned plan. Never be in Green guys. That one is for your wife and kids. Its your job to be ever watchful for them.

[Spanky]

So how many 'dipshit drivers' have you shot/killed, or do you just wave it around for effect? :shrug:

maybe i should clarify, I have seen open carry riders here in NC, I notice the big open carry holster, usually it's pretty prominent on the hip. "waving it around" is never an option. I was having a discussion, and sorry for misstating my intention.

[Steve 0080]

Not trying to hijack but I have to ask. I'm from Canada and with all due respect to our American friends, I do not own a weapon and never ever thought of it. Yes, I grew up with a dad from the military with a gun and I have shot and killed more animals with it than most hunters ever will. Yes we have crime but odds are so low I've never considered defending myself by shooting someone. It would end me up in the slammer and I don't want to be raped. Not a good alternative. Lol .

Are things that bad down there that you have such a need?
(Ya, I 've heard the constitution stance but I still don't get the obsession)

Not afraid of being flamed here because I know you won't try and shoot me ! It will end you up in jail where you will get raped instead of me. Lol!

Besides , Too many other things to worry about when riding. Wouldn't want to worry about a gun going off as well.



Ummmm....Lets see here...The folks up north believe or profess that our country is a lawless place. I have never been inclined to look up crime stats for your country...can only guess they are not much better as people are people world wide. The people in the US are in love with their guns because it is a "right" here. Many will tell you it is to protect you from the government. The problem I have with C.C. permits is the same I have with weekend classes that give you a MC license! Passing neither class makes you proficient doing either one.... I see it all the time..." I got my license, lets go to NC and ride in the mountains, I hear it is beautiful... They come back in a bag or hurt a lot of the times...Same w/ C.C. you pass a 12 hour course, go out a buy a pocket cannon and you are on the prowl !!! Both of these types scare me, either one can and will get you killed!!!. I feel the same about both as well as training...there needs to be more! The MC guy is easy, you just pass him and hope Jesus is watching...the C.C. guy a little different.... I have never been in a situation where one of these guys used their weapon but have read of a few...Zimmerman and the old fool at the movie theater come to mind. Z was/is just an idiot, IMHO...doing something he should/should not have been doing got in over his head and someone is dead. I do believe he was justified in killing the kid,,,,,, but..... if you could ask Z if he had it to do over would he have turned the other way and got coffee? The retired PO at the movie is another story... verdict is still out on that one....
For me, prior to my 4X bypass considered myself a weapon. Not to brag, but there has been a lot of $$$ spent teaching me to hurt people and if necessary kill them. Having said that the optimum word here is trained! No 8 hour class, but years of experience doing it!!! Now after the 4X bypass, my fighting days may be over, may be time to buy a gun, shoot first and ask questions later???? For me, the average guy caring a gun scares me. I don't know of their training or ability, when it gets real bad are they going to help the situation or make it worse? All food for thought, is it your right? Absolutely!! Should you be caring one...hope you never find out.

[shooter]

Completely understandable. Unclear if any 'repeated tumbling/interaction between rider/bike etc' could have lined up all the sequences/applications of pressure in correct area's to AD. Again, we'll probably never know,,,

My dad carries a old Korean war surplus 45 wrapped in a towel in the car door when traveling. I was driving them around Houston in their car. Opened the door and the damn thing fell out onto the street,,, "Nice, Dad,,, real nice,,," LOL!

I wasn't worried about AD as I know the weapon and my Dad,,, just not real happy about his 'method of carry'. (With my luck, a cop would see it and then we'd have some 'splainin to do! LOL!)

FWIW, if you ever see my dad's 45, you won't live to tell about it. Other than that, unless you are family/close friend, you'll never see or hear about it. Just the way it is.

That's the way it should be Scot. Growing up my kids knew to never talk about the gun on daddy's ankle. They watched me put it on hundreds of times and it was always our secret. My son and daughter are both excellent shots. My daughter foiled a home invasion last year with her 9mm. She was protecting my two grandkids. My son competes. In steel plates and IDPA and carries daily. I am proud that my kids have grown into responsible adults.

[SmallPasture]

7623:shrug:

[shooter]

Works for me!

[RcBtx1999]

Completely understandable. Unclear if any 'repeated tumbling/interaction between rider/bike etc' could have lined up all the sequences/applications of pressure in correct area's to AD. Again, we'll probably never know,,,

My dad carries a old Korean war surplus 45 wrapped in a towel in the car door when traveling. I was driving them around Houston in their car. Opened the door and the damn thing fell out onto the street,,, "Nice, Dad,,, real nice,,," LOL!

I wasn't worried about AD as I know the weapon and my Dad,,, just not real happy about his 'method of carry'. (With my luck, a cop would see it and then we'd have some 'splainin to do! LOL!)

FWIW, if you ever see my dad's 45, you won't live to tell about it. Other than that, unless you are family/close friend, you'll never see or hear about it. Just the way it is.

Even in the case of your Pop's 45 wrapped in the towel, albeit not a great way to carry, it is NOW legal in TEXAS, even in Houston to carry this way. As I mentioned before, the Law has changed, the old "you have to be travelling through at least two counties and carrying a large sum of money"...is gone. You can, as a citizen carry a handgun in your vehicle, or stowed in your motorcycle. You cannot hop off the bike and legally walk into the Valero with it. Point is, as stated in other posts, most folks who carry do not and would not make a show of it. In Texas if you are a CC, you have to inform an Officer who stops you for a traffic violation (or whatever) that you are CC and produce your card, also if carrying as a citizen in the vehicle especially if you keep your pistol where you keep your insurance or anything you are about to reach for, you need to let the Officer know. You will not be arrested for simply carrying a weapon, unless you are a convicted Felon or the weapon turns out to be stolen. ~Finally, there is no dragging the body inside the house here~, I've heard that my whole career, and seen more bodies thrown out of places instead of into. Castle Doctrine protects you to defend yourself and others (3rd persons) if you are in fear of imminent bodily harm, you have no duty to retreat. So if someone is stealing the wheels off your car in the driveway at 2am and you catch them; the crook raises the tire iron as if to assault, you are well within bounds to cap his sorry azz.:stirthepot:

[SmallPasture]

In Texas if you are a CC, you have to inform an Officer who stops you for a traffic violation (or whatever) that you are CC and produce your card, also if carrying as a citizen in the vehicle especially if you keep your pistol where you keep your insurance or anything you are about to reach for, you need to let the Officer know.


If we could just get the bad guys to do this all would be pixi dust and unicorn farts!!!:icon_lol:




~Finally, there is no dragging the body inside the house here~, I've heard that my whole career, and seen more bodies thrown out of places instead of into. Castle Doctrine protects you to defend yourself and others (3rd persons) if you are in fear of imminent bodily harm, you have no duty to retreat. So if someone is stealing the wheels off your car in the driveway at 2am and you catch them; the crook raises the tire iron as if to assault, you are well within bounds to cap his sorry azz.:stirthepot:

+1^^^:yes::yes::yes:

[austin_tech]

Man, the testosterone has started to gush on this thread, boys!
Let's all go on a ride together with Glocks in a shoulder holster with a round chambered!
"Might as well leave it at home unless it's ready to fire" -- holy cow!

Happy Friday folks, ride safe out there, and stop waving the guns around. I'm going to Condition Green down here in Austin!

[hiflyer]

The problem I have with C.C. permits is the same I have with weekend classes that give you a MC license! Passing neither class makes you proficient doing either one.....

Training in any form is better than being self taught. When I first got my instrument rating as a pilot, I was legal to go fly in the clouds. In other words, a license to learn. Was I proficient at it? Absolutely not. The only way to get there, after proper training, was practice, practice, practice. And the only way to practice was to go and do it. Many a visual flight rules only pilot, although proficient in flying during severe clear conditions, is pushing up daisies after venturing into instrument conditions and losing control due to a lack of training. I agree with ya that going to a week end class doesn't make you a proficient motorcyclist, but it does give you practice and information in areas they you don't even consider when you learn on your own. I would much rather have family/friends get their license after taking an MSF (or other) class and then taking the self responsiblity of using what they have learned, and easing into street riding, as opposed to reading the book, teaching themselves to ride and taking the state test.

In most states, the MSF class serves as the state driving test. Many people get their license by taking the test without any proper training. I would argue that the one who took the class will be a better rider. Any MSF instructor will caution new riders that they may be legal after they get their license, they still have a lot of work to do before they can consider themselves proficient motorcyclists.

People don't have the opportunity like most of us older fellows had growing up. When I was a kid, there would be 50 motorcycles parked at school everyday. It was part of our culture growing up and gave us the opportunity to become the riders we are today. Most new riders now are older guys who just now can afford it, and think that riding a motorcycle would be cool.

I have been involved with the MSF since the late 90's and still am an active ridercoach. I have a class this week end as a matter of fact. Is it something I do for the money? That's laughable. It's something I do because I love the sport, I have lost a lot of friends to M/C crashes, but mostly the joy I get when I see the look on a new rider's face when it clicks, and he get's it.

[Kurare79]

Real men only need this weapon:

7627

Because with this versatile weapon i can open the the bottle of the ultimate power liquid and become SUPERMAN! 7630

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Cheers Guys! :cheers: :icon_mrgreen:

[shooter]

Man, the testosterone has started to gush on this thread, boys!
Let's all go on a ride together with Glocks in a shoulder holster with a round chambered!
"Might as well leave it at home unless it's ready to fire" -- holy cow!

Happy Friday folks, ride safe out there, and stop waving the guns around. I'm going to Condition Green down here in Austin!

If you're in condition Green in Texas its a wonder they don't exile you from the state.

[SmallPasture]

Real men only need this weapon:

7627

Because with this versatile weapon i can open the the bottle of the ultimate power liquid and become SUPERMAN! 7630

7629

Cheers Guys! :cheers: :icon_mrgreen:


I'll drink to that!!! :beer3:

[Retired Army]

The best gun control is achieved by using both hands during operation.

[Bill1584]

Man, the testosterone has started to gush on this thread, boys!
Let's all go on a ride together with Glocks in a shoulder holster with a round chambered!
"Might as well leave it at home unless it's ready to fire" -- holy cow!

Happy Friday folks, ride safe out there, and stop waving the guns around. I'm going to Condition Green down here in Austin!


No Glocks in shoulder holsters for me, thanks. I like the Beretta Nano 9mm, chambered, in a belly band holstered under my left arm. Always. Now that is invisible. I do this very responsibly, because that part of it is more important to me than some I know. Not going to waive any guns around today, and probably would not have even without the suggestion. I will ride safely today, and again likely would have anyway. I very much enjoyed reading all of this thread. Yes, all. Holy cow indeed.

[Scotrod]

I hear ya on ~training~,,,

Grew up on a Farm around guns/ dad's guidance. Gun safety was always a great concern.

Did some practicing/ a little hunting, but never really got that 'in' to it.

But,,, we kids all the opportunity to be taught at least some very basic 'don't point it anything you don't want to kill' stuff,,,

Today, lotsa kids don't have hundreds of acres and a father well-versed in basic firearm safety to learn about firearms,,

Today, it's video games, where you always get unlimited chances/lives,,, Music video's where guns are idolized,,, almost portrayed as a 'right of passage' to manhood, or something,,,

I guess if you weren't taught differently, you just might not know the difference,,, :shrug:

[Ericb445]

I'm glad this is staying civil for the most part. America isn't the wild Wild West that it sounds like.
But our gun rights have afforded us the freedoms we love and respect.
The Japanese didn't do a ground invasion because "There was a riffle behind of every blade of grass"
I got into a fist fight when I was a bit younger, while carrying concealed. The gun never came out, and come to find out the other guy I was fighting with had a ccw and carrying as well.

[Steve 0080]

I'm glad this is staying civil for the most part. America isn't the wild Wild West that it sounds like.
But our gun rights have afforded us the freedoms we love and respect.
The Japanese didn't do a ground invasion because "There was a riffle behind of every blade of grass"
I got into a fist fight when I was a bit younger, while carrying concealed. The gun never came out, and come to find out the other guy I was fighting with had a ccw and carrying as well.



Not the norm....

[Racer X]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/motorcyclist-shot-by-his-own-gun-during-bizarre-hit-and-run-collision-in-black-hawk

Be careful out there. If you have carry permit how do you carry on your bike, if you care to share?

I tend to pocket carry in an uncle mikes holster.


Glock 19/ Baretta 84/ S&W 19 2" nickel/ Baretta .25(flip up barrel) ..

Glock 19 Always in a hip holster..long shirt over..or.. SweatShirt tucked under barrel...more comfortable..and just works for me!! :icon_wink:

[XKnight]

Need more facts. Most guns don't just go off on their own. It's possible that the trigger somehow got caught on something during the crash and the weapon fired, but the chance of that happening is very slim. Gun carried in a secure holster is the best way to carry.