Stirring the Poop

[dickiedeals]

Someone Please tell me why a hundred plus people in a night club couldn't overtake one lone gunman with Assault Weapons. Seems to me if your going to die you should die fighting.

I wouldn't be there in the first place for several reasons. Not Gay for one.... I never go anywhere without my Gun. If its a "Gun Free Zone" I'm not there, unless it a restaurant.Hospital etc. In that case I ignore the signs.

I know its not politically correct to say what I've just said.Believe me I've got a bunch more suppressed.. I'm not sorry...I'm sick to death having whats going on in America shoved down my throat.... Wake up America.......Comments welcome....Dickie

[Retired Army]

Someone Please tell me why a hundred plus people in a night club couldn't overtake one lone gunman with Assault Weapons. Seems to me if your going to die you should die fighting.

I wouldn't be there in the first place for several reasons. Not Gay for one.... I never go anywhere without my Gun. If its a "Gun Free Zone" I'm not there, unless it a restaurant.Hospital etc. In that case I ignore the signs.

I know its not politically correct to say what I've just said.Believe me I've got a bunch more suppressed.. I'm not sorry...I'm sick to death having whats going on in America shoved down my throat.... Wake up America.......Comments welcome....Dickie
Your signature says it all, every one in the club needed to be armed with a fully loaded AR15.

[RickJ]

Someone Please tell me why a hundred plus people in a night club couldn't overtake one lone gunman with Assault Weapons. Seems to me if your going to die you should die fighting.

I wouldn't be there in the first place for several reasons. Not Gay for one.... I never go anywhere without my Gun. If its a "Gun Free Zone" I'm not there, unless it a restaurant.Hospital etc. In that case I ignore the signs.

I know its not politically correct to say what I've just said.Believe me I've got a bunch more suppressed.. I'm not sorry...I'm sick to death having whats going on in America shoved down my throat.... Wake up America.......Comments welcome....Dickie

sounds reasonable...I wasn't there, so don't know. But what you say seems to make sense...including the carry part.

[willtill]

It is easy to armchair quarterback this violent and deadly attack after the fact.

One's next defensive move's; especially trying to get others to go along with it; are not so easy when you're suddenly taking semi-automatic fire and are in the midst of screaming; panicked people whom are trying to move in the other direction. Shock, surprise and fright filled that club in those early morning hours; most likely inebriation was a common detractor as well.

Panicked people will stampede; and suck others into it.

[Navvet]

They don't seem to have these "mass shooting" problems in Israel....

Gunman may get a few, but then it's over.


21629

And those are fully automatic ...

[seadog]

If constitutional carry was put in place in this country you wouldn't see problems like this. If some ass walks into a place with an AR or an AK and 10 people pull out a gun and shoot his rear then the criminals would think twice about pulling something like this off. You look at Chicago with their big ban on concealed carry and the highest murder rate in the county. How many time are you going to get kicked in the head before you put a hard hat on. Constitutional Carry should be the number one law in this country under the 2nd Amendment and you wouldn't see something like Orlando happening time and time again.

[willtill]

They don't seem to have these "mass shooting" problems in Israel....

Gunman may get a few, but then it's over.


21629

And those are fully automatic ...

Yes, cut your losses. That's what pro-gun activists advocate. I am in agreement with that. Anti-gun activists can't seem to understand that concept. They want to make it all go away... but that will never happen. Unless there is total gun confiscation. And that isn't happening either... except maybe in California... they seem well on their way to eventually trying to legislate that act. Maryland and other liberal states to most likely follow that as well.

[taxfree4]

I have a feeling you are going to see a different take on gun ownership, and gun sales, including pro-Trump votes in a certain once bleeding-heart-liberal community that dominated the casualties on that night.

[53driver]

I have a feeling you are going to see a different take on gun ownership, and gun sales, including pro-Trump votes in a certain once bleeding-heart-liberal community that dominated the casualties on that night.

As much as I want to believe that will happen, I don't think it will come to pass.
That group is too ingrained in the Dem platform.

SeaDog wrote, "Americans need a kick in the ass" and then "How many times are we going to get kicked in the head?"

The answer is going to be "one too many" as California, Mass, and other liberal fortresses find themselves losing liberties only to wake up one day and discover that Sharia Law now governs their lives and all they have stood for becomes a death sentence. And they are unarmed and perhaps even unwilling to do anything about it - accepting it as a "normal course of their tolerance" beliefs.

[taxfree4]

As much as I want to believe that will happen, I don't think it will come to pass.
That group is too ingrained in the Dem platform.

SeaDog wrote, "Americans need a kick in the ass" and then "How many times are we going to get kicked in the head?"

The answer is going to be "one too many" as California, Mass, and other liberal fortresses find themselves losing liberties only to wake up one day and discover that Sharia Law now governs their lives and all they have stood for becomes a death sentence. And they are unarmed and perhaps even unwilling to do anything about it - accepting it as a "normal course of their tolerance" beliefs.

Have faith my good man, this is a very unique situation where they were targeted, in large numbers, for execution by radical Muslim terrorism. He may have been born here but his allegiance was over there. That community is a barnacle that attaches itself to the anything that will get its' agenda moving forward, which is usually the Dems. They are aware that gun control is BS, just a political point to bash Republicans with but they are petrified. Every large gathering from now on will be nerve racking for them and they know police can't be everywhere.

Before this their idea of discrimination was not being allowed to marry, go into girls bathrooms... till this, real life discrimination times 10 and it's in their own backyard. There is only one candidate who they know wants to curb immigration from those countries and preserve the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights. No matter what they say on the outside of the booth, or else they'll get vilified by their own community, when they go in they'll pull that lever for Trump, I truly believe IMHO.

I would like to see the exit polls from these community concentrations my guess we'll be pleasantly surprised. Just like if they could determine the sexual preference of a baby in the womb, which they won't but hypothetically, and people would abort a baby if they knew it was going to gay, you would see that community go from Pro-Abortion to Pro-life and a run to the Republican Party so fast it would make your head spin. They are loyal only to their community and their agendas only. I could be wrong but this is my gut and it is going to be interesting

[shooter]

I pretty much agree with Dickie. I always carry. I don't think I'm Mr Super Tactical but I hit what I aim at. I ignore all gun free zone signs. If I need to be there then my gun is coming also. Army I didn't get your comment. The AR would be nice but 25 or 30 handguns in hands that knew how to use them would have been nice. I don't go places that I believe put myself or family at risk. I don't feel like I'm restricting myself. I still go to the movie theater. Wife and I go about once a month. I've told her , shooting starts , lay down. Get out of my way. I'm not running. My thing is , don't vote anti gun and then cry to the world that someone shot at you. We all know if you ban guns then only the criminals and police will have one. Have you ever seen a cop when you needed one?? Response time in my neck of the woods can be an hour. It will be over long before then. My advice , sit close to an exit , remain vigilant , its called condition yellow. When you suspect a problem , condition orange , have a plan of action already thought out. If the shyt hits the fan , enact that plan , condition red. In other words when you walk in a building don't just walk in with your thumb up your azz. Look around , take note of the exits , sit where you can see the whole room if possible. Its not that difficult. Just knowing your surroundings can save your life. Last but not least , buy a gun , learn how to use it proficiently , carry it wherever you go. Don't talk about it , don't show it to your buddy and don't brag that you carry. Its a lifestyle not a way to make you look big to your buddies.

[cosborn]

I think you guys, and us in Au need to start looking after our nut cases as we used to do and not let them free access to society, maybe that's a start.

Chris

[shooter]

21641 Sorry for the quality of the pic. Between the sun and the shadows I did my best. If every bar and restaurant had this in the window , terrorist might think twice. Pig Pen BBQ in Lebanon MO. Great food. Pig Pen's son teaches CCW classes out back. I'm not making this up. Really.

[shooter]

Cos , that's the bad thing. This guys wife knew he was going to do it and said nothing. I hope they fry her.

[ths61]

My question is why hasn't the islamic terrorists hit homosexual clubs before and will they be doing it again now that they know they can get such a high body count (fish in a gun-free-zone barrel) ?

Also, Isreal has compulsory service so their civilian population is well trained. Maybe something we should be doing more of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel

[willtill]

It's one thing to shoot and hit your target.

It's a totally different game when your target is shooting back.

Please be aware of that. Never adopt a static shooting position because of that. :nono:

[53driver]

Have faith my good man .... I could be wrong but this is my gut and it is going to be interesting

I'm with ya!

[wiggy]

I pretty much agree with Dickie. I always carry. I don't think I'm Mr Super Tactical but I hit what I aim at. I ignore all gun free zone signs. If I need to be there then my gun is coming also. Army I didn't get your comment. The AR would be nice but 25 or 30 handguns in hands that knew how to use them would have been nice. I don't go places that I believe put myself or family at risk. I don't feel like I'm restricting myself. I still go to the movie theater. Wife and I go about once a month. I've told her , shooting starts , lay down. Get out of my way. I'm not running. My thing is , don't vote anti gun and then cry to the world that someone shot at you. We all know if you ban guns then only the criminals and police will have one. Have you ever seen a cop when you needed one?? Response time in my neck of the woods can be an hour. It will be over long before then. My advice , sit close to an exit , remain vigilant , its called condition yellow. When you suspect a problem , condition orange , have a plan of action already thought out. If the shyt hits the fan , enact that plan , condition red. In other words when you walk in a building don't just walk in with your thumb up your azz. Look around , take note of the exits , sit where you can see the whole room if possible. Its not that difficult. Just knowing your surroundings can save your life. Last but not least , buy a gun , learn how to use it proficiently , carry it wherever you go. Don't talk about it , don't show it to your buddy and don't brag that you carry. Its a lifestyle not a way to make you look big to your buddies.

Excellent post, Shooter. We just had a presentation at work that teaches the new adopted Mantra(not sure by whom) Run, Hide, Fight. The fight part involves using whatever is at one's disposal...tables, chairs, silverware, whatever. I thought to myself, "Gee, a GUN would work well in this situation!"

All I know is that in ALL of the recent Mass shooting incidences, the common denominator was that they were all Gun Free Zones. I wonder if THAT'S the problem?

[shooter]

Wiggy , these cowards prey on the weak. I wonder what would happen if they walked into a Marine live fire training zone. Or a Swat Fun house. Or even a cop bar.

[seadog]

Excellent post, Shooter. We just had a presentation at work that teaches the new adopted Mantra(not sure by whom) Run, Hide, Fight. The fight part involves using whatever is at one's disposal...tables, chairs, silverware, whatever. I thought to myself, "Gee, a GUN would work well in this situation!"

All I know is that in ALL of the recent Mass shooting incidences, the common denominator was that they were all Gun Free Zones. I wonder if THAT'S the problem?

That's a gun free zone! Highest murder rate in the Midwest. Someone needs to get their head out of there Ass and arm those people.

[Steve 0080]

Excellent post, Shooter. We just had a presentation at work that teaches the new adopted Mantra(not sure by whom) Run, Hide, Fight. The fight part involves using whatever is at one's disposal...tables, chairs, silverware, whatever. I thought to myself, "Gee, a GUN would work well in this situation!"

All I know is that in ALL of the recent Mass shooting incidences, the common denominator was that they were all Gun Free Zones. I wonder if THAT'S the problem?




That is the new cooperate guidelines going out now in all major companies. The approximate count was above 300 people in the bar in Orlando...approximately 100 where shot. Twenty hiding in one wheelchair type bathroom shaking while the gunman told them he was loading his weapon to kill them all....10 seconds later 1 or 2 lived.

I realize the majority of folks are not trained... but even a puppy will fight if backed into a corner. Better to take one in the chest than the back!


I read somewhere the most guns now being bought are by the LGBT or whatever the initials are.

[Davidk]

We, those who carry guns everywhere, are a very, very rare breed. The vast majority of gun owners never carry.

The rest of our society were never taught to depend on themselves. They are taught to rely on others for everything—the government will teach our children, supermarkets will feed us, the police will protect us, better to cooperate with violent criminals than to defend ourselves.

I have seen unreleased photos of Columbine. The school kids where shot right at their desks. They did nothing to survive, no running, no fighting, no hiding. No defensive wounds. Shot, seated politely and obediently, in their chairs.

At Virginia Tech, victims were lined up, 20 in a row, on their knees, on the floor waiting their turn to be executed. They all just let it happen. Even when the shooter was reloading, no defensive action was taken. we know this because no defensive wounds were found on the victims. The sheep knowingly let themselves be slaughtered. These were not young school children, they were adult, colleges student, taught and conditioned to be weak in mind, spirit and body.

It is sickening to realize how far down our newest generations have sunk in such a short time. In just a few generations, we fell from the greatest country in the world to a pathetic shadow of our older generations. The US is no longer a world leader in anything. Education, manufacturing, military, invention, the US is merely a ghost of our former glory.

Decades of democratic ideals have taught generations to be dependent on others and not to think for themselves. These politicians and bureaucrats achieved exactly what they wanted, a nation of sheep that will keep them in power because they have created a citizenry that is stupid, feable and helpless.

This BS over gender neutral bathrooms is the perfect example of PC run amok. Better to alienate millions of normal folk and create extremely dangerous situations that aid sexually predators so a few wackos don’t get hurt feelings. A few years ago teenagers were stormed beaches, jumped from planes and charged into almost certain death. Today, teenagers are running to their safe places because words hurt. "Oh, I saw Trump's name in chalk. I need therapy."

Anyone who thinks that disarming law-abiding citizens will reduce terrorism or crime is a fucking idiot and this country is full of them. As proof, looks who won the last two presidential elections.

This country has been mortally wounded, but has simply not bled out yet. The US of A that I grew up in is DEAD.

It has been said that no democracy ever lasted more than 300 years. I now know why. The takers now outnumber the makers and they have voted entitlements for themselves. That is the formula for economic doom. Socialism (what we have become) works great until you run out of other people's money.

[53driver]

21676

Here's the article it came from:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/orlando-shooting-excellent-piece-by-marine-tim-lynch.htm

Sheepdogs. Yup.

[taxfree4]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0616/After-Orlando-shooting-gun-sales-to-LGBT-people-rise

[taxfree4]

21676

Here's the article it came from:
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/orlando-shooting-excellent-piece-by-marine-tim-lynch.htm

Sheepdogs. Yup.

Powerful information in that article and I already ordered those two books.

[shooter]

DavidK that was a great post. What is so obvious to us is unthinkable to a lot of Americans. Its a shame but a lot of them are sheep. I'm hoping the upcoming election will change things. If Billarie gets in , we are doomed. I don't think we can come back from eight years of that.

[seadog]

Yes, cut your losses. That's what pro-gun activists advocate. I am in agreement with that. Anti-gun activists can't seem to understand that concept. They want to make it all go away... but that will never happen. Unless there is total gun confiscation. And that isn't happening either... except maybe in California... they seem well on their way to eventually trying to legislate that act. Maryland and other liberal states to most likely follow that as well.

A total gun confiscation only takes guns away from Law Abiding Citizen, it doesn't get the guns away from criminals because the only one's they know about are registered by people who obey the laws of the land. The second Amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms. But the state have instituted laws that bend that right to their will. Which should have never been allowed, Constitutional Carry is the only law that should not be circumvented.

[willtill]

A total gun confiscation only takes guns away from Law Abiding Citizen, it doesn't get the guns away from criminals because the only one's they know about are registered by people who obey the laws of the land. The second Amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms. But the state have instituted laws that bend that right to their will. Which should have never been allowed, Constitutional Carry is the only law that should not be circumvented.

What will be interesting (and sad) is; if and when Hilliary opens her mouth during the administration of the oath of office for POTUS; she'll utter another lie by repeating that she'll uphold and defend the US Constitution; against all enemies; foreign and domestic. Right in front of the country... right in front of the world.

Many will applaud her. With no idea that she just committed a covert; treasonous act.

She aims to neuter the 2nd Amendment impotent for the rest of us.. Even if she states during the oath proclaiming not to.

[Davidk]

DavidK that was a great post. What is so obvious to us is unthinkable to a lot of Americans. Its a shame but a lot of them are sheep. I'm hoping the upcoming election will change things. If Billarie gets in , we are doomed. I don't think we can come back from eight years of that.8 years of the Hilderbeast will be nothing. She will decimate the Supreme Court for the next 40 years. Everything a President does can be undone, except for the Supreme Court.