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ReserveBum
10-12-2016, 06:46 AM
Not only do we get these two knuckleheads as our only choices but......this is the first presidential election in my memory where there is no legitimate third party candidate. Even Ralph Nader would have had a shot this year.
You really have to wonder who is really calling the shots.

seadog
10-12-2016, 07:42 AM
Not only do we get these two knuckleheads as our only choices but......this is the first presidential election in my memory where there is no legitimate third party candidate. Even Ralph Nader would have had a shot this year.
You really have to wonder who is really calling the shots.

Look what Hillary did to Bernies campaign, she submarined it with a bunch of dirty tactics so how would some poor candidate fair up to her. Trump has money and although I agree he isn't the worlds best but he is the lesser of two evils. Hillary when she dies they will have to screw her into the ground she is so crooked.

Retired Army
10-12-2016, 08:10 AM
The republic is still alive. The majority of those who vote are still in control. How many research the candidates or just vote on idle promises?

jkelley
10-13-2016, 05:38 AM
318,000,000 people in this country and the best we have to run for this office is these two idiots? WOW

I agree while Trump is a lying, raging nut job he is the lesser of the two evils.

Bob Penn
10-13-2016, 06:57 AM
Here's a question.

Who were the last two candidates that ran for emperor of Rome?:shrug:

Do you see where I'm going with this? :shock: and where the country may be going!

The good news is your "B" will probably out live both of the latest two

seadog
10-13-2016, 07:34 AM
Is the fact that it ain't lookin good, if you know what I mean. We aren't proud of Trump at all but boy does the country need a business man that can put people to work and get the country back on its feet. Something the boys in Washington have failed to do over the Obama abortion presidency. There are still Obama supporter out there that think he did a good job as president. Well you can guess where their head was at, somewhere the sun don't shine. But I am sorry to say that his supporter are now backing Hillary and we need every vote we can muster to defeat her. It pretty sad when all we have is those two to vote for but I don't see any statesman stepping up to try and straighten out this mess of a country.

willtill
10-13-2016, 09:10 AM
318,000,000 people in this country and the best we have to run for this office is these two idiots? WOW

I agree while Trump is a lying, raging nut job he is the lesser of the two evils.

Concur.

imported_NMRed
10-13-2016, 09:41 PM
Ever heard of Gary Johnson or the Libertarian Party?

BuzzzPhotos
10-14-2016, 12:52 AM
Is the fact that it ain't lookin good, if you know what I mean. We aren't proud of Trump at all but boy does the country need a business man that can put people to work and get the country back on its feet. Something the boys in Washington have failed to do over the Obama abortion presidency. There are still Obama supporter out there that think he did a good job as president. Well you can guess where their head was at, somewhere the sun don't shine. But I am sorry to say that his supporter are now backing Hillary and we need every vote we can muster to defeat her. It pretty sad when all we have is those two to vote for but I don't see any statesman stepping up to try and straighten out this mess of a country.

You're exactly right!

taxfree4
10-14-2016, 01:02 AM
Ever heard of Gary Johnson or the Libertarian Party?

Yes, all of his and Jill Stein's voters gather together in a phone booth once a month. These are just distractions who don't have a chance but are great for syphoning votes away from candidates who actually do. If you think about it these 3rd party candidates are like the F6B's of the political world:

They are not as popular, comparatively
They are picked as an alternative when you've had enough of the mainstream choices
They don't get as much advertisement as the others
They enjoy a very loyal following
They're used to people coming up and not really recognizing them till somebody clues them in then you get "OHHH"

willtill
10-14-2016, 05:26 AM
Gotta say, Trump is getting absolutely obliterated in the media over his accused womanizing/maltreatment of the female of our species.

Don't see how he's going to pull it off. :shhh:

BIGLRY
10-14-2016, 11:34 AM
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jkelley
10-14-2016, 02:25 PM
From another site: I really hate to get political but this election has me very concerned.

Remember when Bill Clinton was President ?

______________________________ __

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over an attempt to reform health care.

Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't get a vote in a Democrat controlled US Congress.

This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million for studies, promotion, and other efforts.


Then, President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general.

Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood - both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.

Next, she chose Janet Reno - husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake."


Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.


Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission.

Lani Guanier was her selection.

When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier's radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.


Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations.

She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department,
Vince Foster for the White House staff,
and
William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.


Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison,
Foster (presumably) committed suicide,
and
Kennedy was forced to resign.


Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travelgate."
Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson - and the White House Travel Office refused to comply.

She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired.

This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation.
Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds.

A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.


Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security.

When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.


Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.


Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo eruption" and scandal defense.
Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.
After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.


She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.


After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill
losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.


Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating,
"I do not recall,"
"I have no recollection,"
and
"I don't know"
a total of 56 times while under oath.


After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.


What a swell person - ready for another four or eight years of this low-life fool?


Now we are exposed to the unsecure keeping and attempted destruction of beyond Top Secret emails while Hillary was US Secretary of State and the "pay to play" schemes of the Clinton Foundation.
What "shoe will fall" next?


But to her loyal fans: "What difference does it make?"

Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!

taxfree4
10-14-2016, 03:56 PM
Don't listen to polls, they're bullshit, they are the media's attempt to soften how bad Hillary is going to get whacked. 100,000 voters, just in PA. switched from Democrat to Republican, Trump voters don't care if he says pussy or he grabbed a few, they DO realize the next President will probably pick 3 Supreme Court justices which does affect their life and your life directly. It will be a romp and send that bull dagger back to Chappaqua where she'll dump Bill and come out of the closet, finally, and her and Janet Reno will ride off into the sunset in their pick up and Birckenstocks.

stroguy
10-14-2016, 04:05 PM
Don't listen to polls, they're bullshit, they are the media's attempt to soften how bad Hillary is going to get whacked. 100,000 voters, just in PA. switched from Democrat to Republican, Trump voters don't care if he says pussy or he grabbed a few, they DO realize the next President will probably pick 3 Supreme Court justices which does affect their life and your life directly. It will be a romp and send that bull dagger back to Chappaqua where she'll dump Bill and come out of the closet, finally, and her and Janet Reno will ride off into the sunset in their pick up and Birckenstocks.

This. Why would you need to tear down Trump this way unless you were way behind? Polls are meaningless except as propaganda for the liberal turds. Scare off voters. If hillaree was so exemplary they would be touting her accomplishments and abilities. They are not because she has none. Trump is ahead. This trash comes out in the last month with no chance of being validated or refuted........F'ING NONE. Should hold the same weight in court as a false accusation and should be held criminally responsible.

taxfree4
10-14-2016, 04:25 PM
That about does it

willtill
10-14-2016, 07:09 PM
This. Why would you need to tear down Trump this way unless you were way behind? Polls are meaningless except as propaganda for the liberal turds. Scare off voters. If hillaree was so exemplary they would be touting her accomplishments and abilities. They are not because she has none. Trump is ahead. This trash comes out in the last month with no chance of being validated or refuted........F'ING NONE. Should hold the same weight in court as a false accusation and should be held criminally responsible.

I so hope you're right

taxfree4
10-15-2016, 08:12 AM
In mid October of 1980 Reagan was trailing Carter 39% to 45% in these bullshit polls with John Anderson polling at 9% and below is the result. Does that look like Reagan trailing by 6% a week to two weeks before, why people still give credence to these things is beyond me.

Broken Hand
10-19-2016, 04:16 PM
This. Why would you need to tear down Trump this way unless you were way behind? Polls are meaningless except as propaganda for the liberal turds. Scare off voters. If hillaree was so exemplary they would be touting her accomplishments and abilities. They are not because she has none. Trump is ahead. This trash comes out in the last month with no chance of being validated or refuted........F'ING NONE. Should hold the same weight in court as a false accusation and should be held criminally responsible.

Notice, the MSM always attacks the Republican candidate with inane crap and supports the Democrat with patriotic puff pieces. Substantial policy is rarely discussed, only emotional hot buttons.

Remember all those women who claimed sexual misconduct against Herman Cain? They dropped off the face of the Earth after he dropped out. Mission Accomplished.

This election cycle has really exposed the bias of MSM. Throw in Wikileaks and James O'Keefe's latest sting operation, journalists come out smelling like ass.

valkmc
10-20-2016, 01:01 PM
I'm sure this will not be liked by most but I'm so sick of these two and both parties I will not vote for either one of them. Before someone tells me it is my duty I will say I have voted in every Presidential election since I turned 18 (1976). I have voted in every mid-term election except one (my dad had open heart the day before). I take citizen ship very seriously. I often help candidates running in local elections when I can. I am embarrassed when I listen to these two debate or see the TV ads. I teach U.S. History and I am embarrassed that the 11th grade students have to listen to these two. My students do not know I won't vote and I have never allowed them to know who I support (past) as I do not want to influence them. Our elections use to be the envy of the world and now are not much different than those that take place around the world.

This country needs serious election reform, the amount of money and time spent has to be reduced and the two party system needs to be scrapped.


I will vote on election day for some local races and the proposed FL. amendment on Marijuana.

stroguy
10-21-2016, 06:54 AM
Well you can do what you seem fit to do. But, as I find Trump to be not the perfect choice for President, there are just so many citizens that continue to seek the perfect candidate. The ultra religious in this country will get so wrapped around the abortion axle that they will stay home and refuse to vote when they cannot find the perfect candidate. That's just plain ignorant because it puts the worst of two evils in play.

I know, and you know and everyone with a smidgen of intelligence knows that one of these two will be President. You can be the dude or dudette that wants to go vote for this third party ignoramus. Some will vote for their dog as a rebellious vote. Some will write in their own name. But in all the latter cases you would be more heard if you dove to the bottom of Lake Michigan and professed your frustration. The truth again is that one of these two will be President, no if's, no and's, NONE. Now if you can shade your eyes and look past the proven corruptness of hillaree, then go vote and sleep well at night. But you will not convince me that the one candidate that is passionate about America, capitalism, the military, veterans, the economy and letting Americans jump on this wagon is Trump. You have to do a little bit of work to find the passionate Trump.....but it's out there. Don't just take the convenient route by opening google chrome and the first thing that hits you is TRUMP SUCKS, TRUMP HATES THIS GROUP, TRUMP HATES WOMEN. If you care to find the passionate Trump......he's out there.

George Carlin took that stance of not voting so you couldn't blame him for who was President. Well I find it much easier to blame the person that pisses their vote away than the person that votes for the greater of two evils. I'm voting for the better of two passions. Trump is by far the greater of two passions. He's not my first choice, but at this point in history he's my choice.

ReserveBum
10-21-2016, 08:18 AM
This. Why would you need to tear down Trump this way unless you were way behind? Polls are meaningless except as propaganda for the liberal turds. Scare off voters. If hillaree was so exemplary they would be touting her accomplishments and abilities. They are not because she has none. Trump is ahead. This trash comes out in the last month with no chance of being validated or refuted........F'ING NONE. Should hold the same weight in court as a false accusation and should be held criminally responsible.

I was in hotel early yesterday morning and they had MSNBC on.....I normally dont watch that station. Anyhow they made a big deal about two state polls that had Hillary up by 7 points in those states (NH & PA). At the bottom of the screen in tiny font was " Number of people responding to this poll = 403". Just hard to believe that they are so hard up that they would use that for their bias against Trump. Cant watch CNN or NBC either as they are so biased it makes me sick. NPR is another one and thats partially taxpayer funded. As it is...I am voting Trump.

Davidk
10-21-2016, 02:46 PM
I'm sure this will not be liked by most but I'm so sick of these two and both parties I will not vote for either one of them. Before someone tells me it is my duty I will say I have voted in every Presidential election since I turned 18 (1976). I have voted in every mid-term election except one (my dad had open heart the day before). I take citizen ship very seriously. I often help candidates running in local elections when I can. I am embarrassed when I listen to these two debate or see the TV ads. I teach U.S. History and I am embarrassed that the 11th grade students have to listen to these two. My students do not know I won't vote and I have never allowed them to know who I support (past) as I do not want to influence them. Our elections use to be the envy of the world and now are not much different than those that take place around the world.

This country needs serious election reform, the amount of money and time spent has to be reduced and the two party system needs to be scrapped.


I will vote on election day for some local races and the proposed FL. amendment on Marijuana.

As bad as Trump is, he is not a proven liar, is not a proven thief, has not been proven to be corrupt, has not destroyed evidence, has not been proven to be responsible for the deaths of Americans. Can't say any of that for the Hilderbeast

Not voting for Trump is a vote of Hilderbeast. Shame on you for not voting.

valkmc
10-22-2016, 05:20 AM
As bad as Trump is, he is not a proven liar, is not a proven thief, has not been proven to be corrupt, has not destroyed evidence, has not been proven to be responsible for the deaths of Americans. Can't say any of that for the Hilderbeast

Not voting for Trump is a vote of Hilderbeast. Shame on you for not voting.

Starting a defense of a candidate by saying as bad as he/she is says a lot about the quality of the person running. After 40 years of voting I feel no shame for sitting this one out, as a matter of fact there are only two people in this world who can make me feel shame, my 90 year old parents and neither of them have ever done that.

I have heard the beast say not voting is a vote for Trump...apparently both sides think they are losing.

stroguy
10-22-2016, 06:34 AM
as a matter of fact there are only two people in this world who can make me feel shame, my 90 year old parents and neither of them have ever done that.


LOL. 90's, wow. You and they are blessed. How long have they been hitched?

Davidk
10-22-2016, 07:45 AM
Starting a defense of a candidate by saying as bad as he/she is says a lot about the quality of the person running. After 40 years of voting I feel no shame for sitting this one out, as a matter of fact there are only two people in this world who can make me feel shame, my 90 year old parents and neither of them have ever done that.

I have heard the beast say not voting is a vote for Trump...apparently both sides think they are losing.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

When Hilderbeast decimates the Supreme Court for the next 40 years with liberal BS, people like you will be to blame.

willtill
10-22-2016, 08:51 AM
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

When Hilderbeast decimates the Supreme Court for the next 40 years with liberal BS, people like you will be to blame.

DavidK is correct to a point. There are many people that are just disgusted with both candidates and are deciding to sit this one out. But imagine if EVERYONE eligible to vote... would vote? What would REALLY be the outcome?

valkmc
10-22-2016, 11:10 AM
LOL. 90's, wow. You and they are blessed. How long have they been hitched?
66 years and yes I feel blessed. I spend as much time with them as I can.

stroguy
10-22-2016, 11:56 AM
Fantastic!