Madstad for F6B

[Scotrod]

Latest word from Mark: Yes, we've got a system pretty much ready for the F6B, very similar to what we have on the GL1800. It's not on out web site yet but should be by this time next week.

For those of you unfamiliar w/Madstad, its a windshield system similar to the Windbender concept.

No 'electric' option, but rake adjustment is included by design (not an 'add-on' item.)

[chipmaker]

They were the only solution that would work for me on my HD Road Glide...

[Bruce B]

As I mentioned on another thread earlier today, I ordered my Madstad this morning. Should have it in a couple weeks including shipping time. Mark said that mine will be the second one out the door. I'm especially hoping for additional passenger comfort.

[1951vbs]

As I mentioned on another thread earlier today, I ordered my Madstad this morning. Should have it in a couple weeks including shipping time. Mark said that mine will be the second one out the door. I'm especially hoping for additional passenger comfort.

They don't look all that aesthetically pleasing. Take pics and post when you get it. I am in the minority here (on wind shileds) but one of the reasons I bought the F6B was for the looks. Chopped shield, no trunk, little chrome: That's me. Coolness has its price!

[Scotrod]

Many Victory XC riders swear by Madstad. I feel they look pretty good on the XC and the RG, especially considering what it has to look like to do what it does.

The rake set at Madstads recommended 60 degrees on a full Wing looks a bit 'funky'. (Quite a bit more stand up angle than OEM) But again, rake is adjustable.

Bruce, would love to see pics / hear a review when yours arrives!!!

[Bruce B]

Many Victory XC riders swear by Madstad. I feel they look pretty good on the XC and the RG, especially considering what it has to look like to do what it does.

The rake set at Madstads recommended 60 degrees on a full Wing looks a bit 'funky'. (Quite a bit more stand up angle than OEM) But again, rake is adjustable.

Bruce, would love to see pics / hear a review when yours arrives!!!

Sure thing. Will send as soon as I've put a few miles on the Madstad and can give a review based on more than just a spin around the block.

[Scotrod]

Sure thing. Will send as soon as I've put a few miles on the Madstad and can give a review based on more than just a spin around the block.

Let us know what other shields you've tried as well.

It's 'love-bug' season here and I wonder if the 'bug-gut' protection provided by a ~normal~ shield would be any different than the Madstad.

[Bruce B]

Let us know what other shields you've tried as well.

It's 'love-bug' season here and I wonder if the 'bug-gut' protection provided by a ~normal~ shield would be any different than the Madstad.

So far I've tried only the Cee Bailey's 13" with vent. Bought that size based on the sizing chart but wish I had gotten the 15". The 13" does a pretty good job though. To simulate a 15 incher, I duct taped the OEM shield to the CB 13 two inches above it's top edge. Didn't notice a lot of difference. I didn't like the duct tape redneck look well enough to leave it in place after the test run.

On the Madstad site there is a review that kind of addresses insects and also speaks well as to how it handles rain.
Go to www.madstad.com
Under "Motorcycle Products", Click on "Harley Davidson"
Click on "Road Glide"
Under "Alaskapade.com", Click on "Click Here"

Our top windshield bug testing season is over for the year here in the Sacramento area but maybe I can find some over in rice growing country or in the Sacramento River delta. The Sierra foothills are pretty bug free so no luck there. Night time rides in the foothills offer a better chance of testing the Magstad's ability to deflect deer. I'll give a bug report of some sort after putting on some miles. .

[chipmaker]

I'd post pics of my HD RG, with the Madstad, but its appearance may frighten some... Oh, but it will put you in a quiet bubble.

[Scotrod]

Hard to say if a bug would act like rain as far as the Madstad is concerned. Will have to check out the links you listed.

Eh, I believe I'd stay away from the foothills at night!!! No need for any 'deer-flecting' on your 6!!!! :shock:

(PSST. I use black duct tape. Not near as 'redneck' as the standard gray stuff! :icon_biggrin:)

[Scotrod]

I'd post pics of my HD RG, with the Madstad, but its appearance may frighten some... Oh, but it will put you in a quiet bubble.

They do look different, but some sizes/tints do look better than others! So far, I really haven't ridden enough at high speed to to determine that the 'baggershield' is 'not good enough'

But, I need to make a confession,,,


"My name is Scott, and I'm a 'windshield-aholic"! I had close to a dozen different windshield combinations for my last bike,,,, :shock:

[Bruce B]

Hard to say if a bug would act like rain as far as the Madstad is concerned. Will have to check out the links you listed.

Eh, I believe I'd stay away from the foothills at night!!! No need for any 'deer-flecting' on your 6!!!! :shock:

(PSST. I use black duct tape. Not near as 'redneck' as the standard gray stuff! :icon_biggrin:)


Thanks for the tip on the black duct tape, Scot. I'll have to look for it at Home Depot or Lowes. With the gray tape, I kind of missed the mark on the chrome look I was trying for.

[chipmaker]

They do look different, but some sizes/tints do look better than others! So far, I really haven't ridden enough at high speed to to determine that the 'baggershield' is 'not good enough'

But, I need to make a confession,,,


"My name is Scott, and I'm a 'windshield-aholic"! I had close to a dozen different windshield combinations for my last bike,,,, :shock:


Me too, I bet I have at least 6 old winshields from all my past bikes. :icon_doh: I have this fantasy that I will make a cool wall collage in future... I did sell a few.

[Scotrod]

As I mentioned on another thread earlier today, I ordered my Madstad this morning. Should have it in a couple weeks including shipping time. Mark said that mine will be the second one out the door. I'm especially hoping for additional passenger comfort.

Any luck in receiving the Madstad yet?

I've got an 'itchy mod-finger' just dying to get something,,, :icon_biggrin:

[Bruce B]

Any luck in receiving the Madstad yet?

I've got an 'itchy mod-finger' just dying to get something,,, :icon_biggrin:

UPS tracking shows that it's here in town, on the truck, and out for delivery later today. Pics and opinions to follow after I have some miles on it, maybe not until after this weekend.

[Scotrod]

GOOD DEAL!!!

Glad to hear it's 'almost here'!!!

Looking forward to your report! :yes:

[d-shark]

Going to attempt to post links to the install of a 16" Madstad on my F6B:

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The shield looks much better installed than I was expecting it to. On the Madstad site they suggest a 20" shield for a 6'2" tall rider on the F6B page. I emailed Mark and let him know according to my measurements (eye level sitting on the bike) the 20" shield would be way too tall. The shortest shield the site listed on the F6B page was a 16 inch which I suggested to Mark would still be too tall. Mark emailed back he thought the 16" would be the one for me so I ordered that. After all they are the experts.

Installed the 16" shield today and it's too tall by at least 3" when the brackets are adjusted as low as possible. Riding behind a Minivan today when I looked over the top of the shield I was looking well over the top of the van. A little disappointed they would not be aware of what works on the F6B with stock seat. I got the Dark Grey which looks really nice on the black bike but think this would be tough looking through at night, not to mention bugs and road grime. In any event Mark understood I wanted to look over the top of the shield. I have an email into him to see where we go from here.

The brackets have about 3" up and down adjustment. I'm thinking an 11" shield would be about right. Brackets all the way down = 11" to top of shield, Brackets all the way up = 14" to top of shield. It will be interesting to see what Mark comes back with as far as a recommendation.

Otherwise I really like how easy these brackets are to adjust, simple yet elegant. I can say there is a lot less wind noise and buffeting but will wait to make a final judgement when I have ridden with a shield that I can actually look over.

[1951vbs]

I understand form over function but it better work really good because it is not very attractive.

[d-shark]

Do four or five 600 mile days back to back and I bet this shield starts to look a lot better fast to the guy in the saddle. As I said I will wait to pass final judgement until I have put on some significant miles with a shorter shield.

I have a Harley that is basically a Bar Queen with no shield for the Cool-Factor.

[Scotrod]

I understand form over function but it better work really good because it is not very attractive.

Tell us all what shield YOU like! :icon_biggrin:

Don't forget your standard 'pay a price for coolness' disclaimer at the end!!! :icon_laugh:

:icon_biggrin:

Nah, I think it needs a little tweaking, and a shorter version would look better.

Would like to see the lower line of the upper shield match the fairing contour a little closer,,,,,

[Scotrod]

Nah, I think it needs a little tweaking, and a shorter version would look better.

Would like to see the lower line of the upper shield match the fairing contour a little closer,,,,,

I believe MadStad is 'aiming' for a 60 degree install. The lower contour might be a closer match to the fairing at that angle of rake, HOWEVER, I would like to retain, or be close to, the factory windshield rake. (Close to what we see in the pics.)

Hmmm. Still has to function, and another Vendor makes something similar where the top shield duplicates the OEM rake ONLY,,, unless you buy the optional rake hardware, which looks a bit, eh,, like an Erector Set! :shock:

I still want to see what eventually becomes of this application as its gotten rave reviews on many other bikes.

[chipmaker]

When I had my RG, the Madstad took over 10 high speed tries to get the perfect bubble I was looking for. Lots of adjustment, space between windshield and base, vertical, and angle of upper shield. In the end it was smooth and quiet @ 80+...

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[Scotrod]

Once a person understands why it looks like it does, its a lot more 'attractive'!

I think it looks good on your RG!

FWIW, Previous bikes I've seen equipped w/Madstad that looked good/better than some other applications were the RG and Vic CCT. Very nice 'fit' considering what had to be done!

[Scotrod]

Off topic,,, D-shark, how are the Mick-o-pegs working out?

[Bruce B]

Have my Madstad installed and have put a few miles on it. I'm in the process of fine tuning it and so far things are looking good. Will be getting a lot more miles and some pics this weekend. I'm 5"9" to 5'10" with a 30 inch inseam. Have the 13 inch shield. At first I thought it was going to be too tall but seems OK now. I look over the top of it. I talked to Mark today and asked about the 11 incher. He'd be happy to swap it out but now I think the 13" is probably best. Mark said that if the bottom of the shield is too high up from the bottom of the base plate, performance suffers. The 11 incher, for me, would probably have to be raised too high to work well. The large opening gap on the bottom would let in too much air flow. He said it would work best for guys in the 5"6" to 5"7" inch range. One thing for sure, the shield has sure cut down the wind noise in my Shoei. The picture in this thread of the Madstad on the RG shows what seems to be an ideal rake and opening gap on the bottom. Pics and more findings/opinion to come as I get some miles on this setup.

[chipmaker]

Cant wait to see the pics

[srkeet]

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D-Shark,

That thing looks kinda cool to me, and you're right; wait til you have to run your shield up for an upcoming dust storm, or down for a fogged up faceshield- it'll look BEAUTIFUL to you then!

God bless,

srkeet

[Scotrod]

Future users of this system will benefit from the 'test and tune' going on right now by D-shark and Bruce. :yes:

As can be imagined, it's a bit more involved than "slap it on and go" if you want the best results.

The 'reduced wind noise' is really a big draw for me. I currently run a 'Baggershield', and without the top shield 'up', the wind noise in my Shoei J-Cruise is pretty bad. Not really getting 'rough' air, but lots of 'high-velocity' air. 'Thunder' noise

The J-Cruise is a 3/4 helmet. I have a full-face RF-1100 which can be quiet on other bikes with all the vents closed, but haven't tried it yet as it's just now getting down into the 70's.

Keep us posted guys, and by all means, if you feel you have it pretty well dialed in, pics and descriptions of 'where its at' would be very appreciated!

[d-shark]

Bruce, looking forward to more of your input. Did you get the Dark Grey? After thinking about it more I think I'm going to swap out my 16" for the 11". That will give me adjustment from 11 to 14 inches in height. Do you have the stock seat? Just wondering since Mark was so far off on the shield height for me? Just seems a waste not to be able to use the vertical adjustment built into the brackets. If I get a chance today I'll try to test out Marks claim that raising the shield too much reduces it's effectiveness. Since I'm already looking through what I have I'll just run it to the top of the 3" adjustment and see what happens.

In the end maybe I'll end up with two shields (11" for solo riding and 13" for two up)? Shields are easy to swap out, just 4 screws. This weekend my girlfriend will get a chance to see if the Madstad helps her at the passenger location? She rides herself but when riding two up with me loves the comfort of the F6B. I had the 11" Baggershield previously and she says there was just as much wind with that as on the back of my Road King and Heritage Softail.

One reason I went with Madstad was to avoid the curved top edge on the competitions shield which is not optically clear. Just thought that might be too distracting when the height is set just below your line of sight. Also I thought the Madstad brackets with height and rake adjustment looked better than the competition with height and rake adjustment.

In the photos I posted the shield is set at 55 degrees using an angle gauge I have for accuracy. The stock shield on mine was almost right at 45 degrees. So you can see that 55 to 60 degrees does not stand upright that much compared to the front fairing. The photos of the Goldwing on the Madstad sight appear to have the shield adjusted well beyond the 60 degree target which looks a lot more funky?

The brackets came assembled so that there is a 2-5/8" gap between the base shield and top shield which seems like a big gap??? The brackets have multiple holes which allow that gap to be reduced by moving the hardware to different holes in the brackets (these can be seen in my closeup photo). So the adjustment possibilities are almost infinite which is good and bad.

[d-shark]

Scotrod, I've learned over the years on my other bikes that for a tall guy like me I've got to be able to get my feet stretched out in front and down low on long rides. This distributes weight from my rear end to my thighs making a huge difference. Standard highway pegs are simply mounted too high for me so my thighs are not really supported by the seat. Kind of like sitting on a bar stool that is too short, my knees are too high and all the weight is on my tailbone.

The Mick-O-Pegs really get the job done for me. Getting on the pegs takes some practice but I can now transition to the pegs without having to look for then while doing 80 on the interstate. When on the pegs I can fully extend and stretch my legs. I have the KA model which go down and out and are recommended for taller riders. They have a bunch of different styles so choosing is not easy.

I also have the Kuryakyn Rider Mini Boards which help a lot compared to the stock Rider Footpegs. The Mini Boards are a bit lower than stock and allow a lot more fore and aft placement of your feet. Seems like I'll ride about 45 minutes on the Mini Boards and then go to the Mick-O-Pegs for about Five minutes and back to the Mini Boards. Seems like 5 minutes on the Mick-O-Pegs allows me to stretch my legs a back so that when I go back to the Mini Boards I'm good for another 45 minutes.

[Bruce B]

Bruce, looking forward to more of your input. Did you get the Dark Grey? After thinking about it more I think I'm going to swap out my 16" for the 11". That will give me adjustment from 11 to 14 inches in height. Do you have the stock seat? Just wondering since Mark was so far off on the shield height for me? Just seems a waste not to be able to use the vertical adjustment built into the brackets. If I get a chance today I'll try to test out Marks claim that raising the shield too much reduces it's effectiveness. Since I'm already looking through what I have I'll just run it to the top of the 3" adjustment and see what happens.

In the end maybe I'll end up with two shields (11" for solo riding and 13" for two up)? Shields are easy to swap out, just 4 screws. This weekend my girlfriend will get a chance to see if the Madstad helps her at the passenger location? She rides herself but when riding two up with me loves the comfort of the F6B. I had the 11" Baggershield previously and she says there was just as much wind with that as on the back of my Road King and Heritage Softail.

One reason I went with Madstad was to avoid the curved top edge on the competitions shield which is not optically clear. Just thought that might be too distracting when the height is set just below your line of sight. Also I thought the Madstad brackets with height and rake adjustment looked better than the competition with height and rake adjustment.

In the photos I posted the shield is set at 55 degrees using an angle gauge I have for accuracy. The stock shield on mine was almost right at 45 degrees. So you can see that 55 to 60 degrees does not stand upright that much compared to the front fairing. The photos of the Goldwing on the Madstad sight appear to have the shield adjusted well beyond the 60 degree target which looks a lot more funky?

The brackets came assembled so that there is a 2-5/8" gap between the base shield and top shield which seems like a big gap??? The brackets have multiple holes which allow that gap to be reduced by moving the hardware to different holes in the brackets (these can be seen in my closeup photo). So the adjustment possibilities are almost infinite which is good and bad.


Just a quick response here on a couple of items. I got the light gray but think I will switch to the medium or dark gray. You say that you are a tall guy and I think that the 13 inch may be better than the 11 which Mark said would be for guys shorter than me. I'm 5' 9-10". I have a Rick Mayer seat which places me about 1 inch above stock.

Regarding Mark saying that raising the shield too much reduces it's effectiveness. That's because it allows too much air flow up between the shield and the base. He was not referring to the height of the top of the shield. He was referring to the height of the bottom of the shield. Look on this thread at the picture of the installation on a Road Glide or look at the GL1800 pictures on the Madstad site. The shield is fairly close to the bottom of the base. Using an 11 inch shield, you'd have to slide it higher to get the top up where you want it. The bottom of the shield would be quite a ways up the base. At least that's my interpretation of what he said. Not that I'm any expert. I may have misunderstood but I think that's what Mark was saying.

I haven't tried the shield with a passenger yet and would appreciate you sharing your experience on that.

[Scotrod]

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[Scotrod]

Hmm,

Would it be possible to go to a 'lower hole' on the base bracket to 'tighten up' the gap up front while keeping the same rake?

(Y'all might have to cut me some slack as I've only looked at 1-2 of the MadStad 'robo-bracket' downloads to get a general grasp of how they work. Quite sure there is more than 1 form of robo bracket.)

[d-shark]

OK, from my house it's a straight 4 mile shot East to the interstate (we don't have curves in Illinois). I made three runs to and from the interstate, each round trip 8 miles.

First run was with the shield in the full up position set at 55 degrees, got up to 80 mph at times. I did not notice any difference from my ride yesterday with the shield in the full down position. Adjustment range from full up to full down is about 3-1/4 inches

Second run was with the shield in the full down position set at 55 degrees, got up to 80 mph at times. I did not notice any real difference from the first run. Stood up on the pegs to see how far I could look over the shield before getting into the wind. The shield was producing a nice bubble allowing me to look well over the shield with no real loss in wind protection compared to sitting and looking through the shield.

Third run was with the shield once again in the full up position set at 55 degrees, got up to 80 mph at times. Stood up on the pegs to see how far I could look over the shield before getting into the wind. I have to say with the shield all the way up I think the bubble of calm air was actually a little higher. I certainly couldn't detect any reduction in windshield effectiveness.

Now it's possible that a shorter 11" shield in the highest bracket position will not channel the air up and over as effectively as the 16" shield I tested here??? For me given this test I think it's worth it for me to give the 11 inch shield a try.

[d-shark]

Scotrod, yes it looks to me like the shield could be adjusted up to about 1 inch closer to the base shield by moving the Robo Bracket rake bolts to different holes provided in the brackets. With my current shield all the way down, the gap between the bottom of the shield and faring is about 2 inches. The distance between the center cut-out and the base shield is about 3 inches (in other words the center cut-out is well above the faring itself. When I raise the shield all the way up then there is a consistent 3 inch gap from side to side between the top shield and base shield (so there is a bigger gap to let more air in in the full up position).

It's interesting that in my test having the shield in the highest position I was unable to detect any loss in shield effectiveness. Point being increasing the gap between the base and top shield in my test had no obvious negative effect. I don't know how much actual first hand riding experience the guys a Madstad have had with the Goldwing? The Wings have a hell of a front faring compared to most bikes Madstad have their shields on. Could be the Madstad shield behaves a little differently when mounted on such a big fairing ???

[Scotrod]

I must admit I'm semi-sorta confused with 'up' - 'down',,,

D-Shark, have you unbolted the upper bracket and rebolted it in a lower hole yet in an attempt to lessen the gap between shield/fairing, or are you speaking of the up/down adjustments otherwise available?

IMHO, the full fairing on the gwing helps keep a lot of the turbulence created by the low pressure zone behind the shield away from the rider. Only guessing, but the Madstad on a Wing might actually need less air to 'do its magic' than other bikes as its 'better to begin with' regarding turbulence in the riders area. (hope that made sense)

The 'image' I have in my head of all this may be fubar. I wish I had a F6B bracket in my hand,,,, maybe I wouldn't be as 'confused'.

Ehh, probably not,,, I stay confused a lot of the time!

[Bruce B]

I must admit I'm semi-sorta confused with 'up' - 'down',,,

D-Shark, have you unbolted the upper bracket and rebolted it in a lower hole yet, or are you speaking of the up/down adjustments otherwise available?

The 'image' I have in my head of all this may be fubar. I wish I had a F6B bracket in my hand,,,, maybe I wouldn't be as 'confused'.

Ehh, probably not,,, I stay confused a lot of the time!



The bracket is two piece, one bolted to the base (much like our OEM shield) on the bike and the other bolted to the shield. They are mated and the shield bracket slides up and down in the base bracket. What we refer to as up and down is actually at the angle of the base and has the effect of raising the shield. Since it's at an angle, it also produces some minimal fore and aft movement of the shield. The rake is also adjustable. Both rake and height are held in place by the same knobbed screw on each bracket.

The re-bolting to lower holes in each bracket is a separate issue. That would simply place the shield a bit closer to the base. I think I'll be leaving mine at the factory setting until I have that dialed in. Might then play with the lower setting just for giggles and grins.

[d-shark]

If you zoom on the close-up photo I have of the right Robo Bracket you will see a long somewhat vertical slot on the portion of the bracket mounted directly to the shield. This long slot provides the 3-1/4 inches of up and down adjustment and has nothing to do with rake. You can see the slot the locking knob goes through which controls the rake independently. In this photo the shield is in it's highest position and raked forward to almost vertical. The portion of the bracket with the various holes is attached to the base shield or adapter plate as referred to by Madstad.

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[Scotrod]

Excellent pic!!!! Thanks!!

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[Bruce B]

Got my 13 inch Madstad installed and think I have it dialed in. I'm 5'9-10" and I think the 13 incher is probably the best fit. I had a 13" Cee Bailey's prior to the Madstad. Former wind noise and buffeting is gone. I have the top edge a little below my line of sight and think that it's supposed to be lower than that so I'll be trying to lower it a bit. Freeway traffic creates so much turbulence that proper adjustment is hard to determine. Will have to take a jaunt to the country and get up to speed in some clean air. Overall I like the Madstad a lot. I have the light smoke shield and think I'll switch to the medium smoke. Quality of the sheild and hardware is very good. I'll try to attach some pics here but not sure how that's going to go.

[Scotrod]

The reveal at the bottom of the shield looks consistant all the way across. Betcha that's the positioning Mark had in mind when it was designed.
Roughly, how much gap do you have across the front?
What is your inseam?
Thanks!!!

[d-shark]

Girlfriend and I went for a ride Sunday. Nice day but gusty. As Bruce indicates you really need a calm day (clean air) to accurately judge the change in wind protection with different shield angles. Overall for me the 16" Madstad is a big improvement over the previous 11" Baggershield. At 16" I get really good protection (quiet) at just about any angle and or height. Problem however as stated before is I can't see over it. Girlfriend indicated the wind was now hitting her on top of the head instead of in the face. She seemed to prefer the shield tilted all the way back (normal shield angle).

With the Madstad you can hear the engine and tranny and the noise of the wind going over and around the windshield. This is however much quieter than all the wind buffeting noise around the head and ears previously with the Baggershield. For the price and height the Baggershield does a decent job. Biggest problem I had with the Baggershield was even more noise & buffeting when I wore my half helmet. Even though the Madstad shield is narrower than the Baggershield it seems to provide as wide if not wider protection from side to side.

Last week I asked Mark to ship me the 11" shield, waiting to hear back as to when that might ship? This will give me a height adjustment range of 11-14". I really liked the height (great visibility over the shield) and sporty look of the 11" Baggershield. If I can get that and the calm air it would be great. We shall see.

[d-shark]

Bruce,

Got looking closely at your 13" shield install and it looks as though you have the shield (brackets) adjusted up as high as it will go, is that right? I ask because when my 16" shield is adjusted all the way down then the top of the shield is approximately 16 inches above the rubber strip that mates the base shield to the faring. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it appears as though your shield (brackets) will only adjust down from the 13" height while mine will only adjust up from it's 16" height ???

[d-shark]

Scotrod,

Looking closely at the bottom contour for Bruce's shield it is quite a bit different than mine (looks like a much better line). I'm trying to get an answer from Mark but no contact yet.

[chipmaker]

Bruce,

Got looking closely at your 13" shield install and it looks as though you have the shield (brackets) adjusted up as high as it will go, is that right? I ask because when my 16" shield is adjusted all the way down then the top of the shield is approximately 16 inches above the rubber strip that mates the base shield to the faring. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but it appears as though your shield (brackets) will only adjust down from the 13" height while mine will only adjust up from it's 16" height ???

The two installs do look different when looking at bracket vertical adjustment slots.

[billv45]

I don't see these on the Madstad website yet, how are you guys ordering these and how much are they?

[d-shark]

Top of Madstad Home Page select "Motorcycle Products" then select "Honda" then select "GL1800 Goldwing". There is no specific F6B page. Prices are $280 to $300 dollars.

I think they are still trying to get their act together with the F6B product??? The shortest shield they list is the 16". I suggested to Mark this was too tall for the F6B but took his word for it. Looks like what I got differs some from what Bruce posted pictures of but have yet to get into contact with Mark at Madstad.

[d-shark]

I spoke with Mark at Madstad late today and didn't get an answer to my basic question as to why the difference in bracket height adjustment between Bruce's bike and mine. Now I know he has been out of the office (on the road) and he sounded tired tonight so I wasn't going to beat someone up on the phone in that condition.

I tried to take a pic of my bike at the same relative angle and height as Bruce did. It's pretty clear the bottom of each shield is about even with the the gasket that mates the faring to the base shield. It's also clear that the bottom contour (relief) on Bruce's shield is much more gradual and looks better.

Now Mark at Madstad says these two shields are the same except for the height (Bruce's 13" and my 16"). Mark claims Bruces 13" shield is the same as mine Just that he has 3" cut off the top. Mark claims the distance from shield mounting holes to the bottom of the shield are the same on all shields. Seems if that were the case the brackets on both shields would be adjusted in the full down position. Note that Bruce's brackets appear to be adjusted full UP and mine are in fact full DOWN. It was clear that Mark and I were not on the same page as I explained this and we never reached any type of agreement.

Supposedly Mark will send me an 11" shield that will be exactly like my 16", just 5" cut off the top. If that's the case then it will be 11" above the faring gasket in the down position and 14" in the up position which is what I'm looking for. If it turns out like Bruce's then it will be 11" in the full up position and adjust down to 8" which is not what I want. I tried to explain to Mark that something is off here but just was not getting across. I tried, guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed and wait to see what I get. I'm not too optimistic since I tried to tell Mark before placing my original order that the 16" shield would be too high.

Can any of you guy's explain why the vertical bracket adjustment is at opposite extremes on the two bikes ????




Bruce's Bike
http://hondaf6b.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2718&d=1382427355

d-shark's Bike
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wa0vO7Yi4AI/UmbvnOToczI/AAAAAAAAAe8/dpRmUT88XfU/w649-h865-no/IMG_20131022_162959.jpg

[MichaelG]

Yo...D-shark, take a very careful look at the difference between the two windshields. They are not the same. The very bottom edge of the windshield on Bruce's bike is a straighter line cut. But the same area on your windshield has a arch or curve cut into the middle of the bottom of your windshield...almost as if it was to fit around a round 7" headlight. Not saying that is what it was designed for, just that is what it "looks like" it was desgined for.

The bottom edge of these two windshields are quite different.

I undersdtand that this was not the reasoning behind your post, because...yes...there is a difference in the positioning of the adjustment bracket. But I wanted you to see that there is also a difference in the actual windshields.

[Scotrod]

There is a slight difference in the curvature /shape of the base.

Look between the mirror and the edge of the shield on both bikes.

Does the base have holes to mount it to the bike with no adjustment or are there slots like a 'normal' Full G-wing shield?

[d-shark]

Yes the contour on the bottom of Bruce's shield matches the faring better and looks better. Also noticed the different contour of the base shield next to the left mirror. When I installed mine it does have slots and I installed it in the lowest possible position. So guess the bottom line is that Bruce and I have different shields and base shields. I think both our shields were shipped on the same day. I like the contour on Bruce's shield better and the contour on my base shield better.

I sent these pics to Mark at Madstad tonight but have not had a lot of luck getting email responses from him. It's a little frustrating.

[Bruce B]

I'm attaching some more pics of my brackets and the position I'm finding works well for me. I will also try dropping to a lower position because, if that works, I'd like to have the top of the shield a bit further below my line of sight. As you can see, I still have a fair amount of adjustment available on each end of the slot. I chose some reference points to measure by when trying various heights so that I could take notes and repeat what I found worked the best. Harbor Freight has a $4.99 inclinometer (located by the levels) that I found helpful in being precise. Really helps when trying to repeat what works. This is the 13 inch shield. I'm 5' 9-10", and have a 30" inseam. From the top end of the movable part of the bracket (in line with the slot) to the top edge of the tightening nut, is 2 1/8 inches. Any reference points could be used in trying out different settings. I just chose those. Rake is 60 degrees.
( A quick edit. Just saw that somehow I posted each picture two or more times. I have no idea how that happened but it's best that I don't mess with it.)


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[Scotrod]

Bruce's upper brackets are attached to different holes in lower brackets than D-sharks pic in post 39:
http://hondaf6b.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2664

[d-shark]

Well that solves part of the mystery as to why things look different. Thanks for the photos Bruce.

The question I had for Mark which remains unanswered is why does the bottom of both shields appear to be about even with the Faring to base shield gasket when my shield is in the full down position and Bruce's is raised at least 2 inches? When I raise my shield 2 inches the bottom of the shield is well above the faring to base gasket.

[Bruce B]

Well that solves part of the mystery as to why things look different. Thanks for the photos Bruce.

The question I had for Mark which remains unanswered is why does the bottom of both shields appear to be about even with the Faring to base shield gasket when my shield is in the full down position and Bruce's is raised at least 2 inches? When I raise my shield 2 inches the bottom of the shield is well above the faring to base gasket.

d-shark, as a crosscheck for you, I just measured the distance between the bottom of my shield and the lower mounting holes. The holes are 4 inches up from the bottom of the shield.

[d-shark]

Bruce, Measured the distance from the bottom of my shield to the lower mounting hole and it's 3-7/8" or in other words close enough to 4". That seems to make the different bracket adjustments between our two bikes an even bigger mystery. Could your base shield be shorter than mine. Measuring from the bottom edge of the faring / base shield gasket to the top of the base shield is 10" on mine.

Mark emailed me back this morning and I've tried at least three times to send him pictures of the two bikes. He gets the emails but no photos although the photos show up in the archive copies in my Gmail. I even forwarded a copy of the email to myself and the photos were there no problem. I think his email server must be stripping out the photos due to size restrictions ???

As a last resort I forwarded Mark the web link to this page. I sent him the link last week and he claimed it did not work. I asked him to copy the link and paste it into his browser this time around. Have not heard anything back from Mark since that email.

[Scotrod]

IMHO:
The 2 bases are different.
D-sharks is larger/taller than Bruces.
Bracket distance to OEM rubber strip should be compared. Bruces looks to be just under 2 inches from bracket edge to rubber strip.
http://hondaf6b.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2742

D-sharks shield is too dark to determine the dim via photo's

[d-shark]

Bruce, here are measurements of my base shield. From the top edge of the Base shield to the bottom edge of the faring gasket is 10". From the bottom edge of the base shield bracket to the bottom edge of the faring gasket is 3-3/4". How does this compare to yours? You guys didn't know I had 3 hands, 2 tapes and 1 phone to take the photo.

I should note that I raised the shield to it's full up position for this picture so the tape measures can be clearly seen.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X88dw7pUUso/UmgKXLnrZiI/AAAAAAAAAfU/G0-VIAXUuQ4/w649-h865-no/IMG_20131023_124040.jpg

[Bruce B]

Bruce, here are measurements of my base shield. From the top edge of the Base shield to the bottom edge of the faring gasket is 10". From the bottom edge of the base shield bracket to the bottom edge of the faring gasket is 3-3/4". How does this compare to yours? You guys didn't know I had 3 hands, 2 tapes and 1 phone to take the photo.

I should note that I raised the shield to it's full up position for this picture so the tape measures can be clearly seen.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X88dw7pUUso/UmgKXLnrZiI/AAAAAAAAAfU/G0-VIAXUuQ4/w649-h865-no/IMG_20131023_124040.jpg

D-shark,
My numbers- Top of base to bottom of gasket, 7 7/8"; Bottom edge of base shield bracket to bottom edge of gasket, 2 1/4"

[d-shark]

Bruce,

Thanks for your time and effort providing photos and measurements. Your measurements explain why the difference in Bracket height adjustment between our two bikes. Your base shield is 2" shorter than mine so you have your brackets adjusted approximately 2" UP to adjust for the difference, makes sense now.

What doesn't make a lot of sense is that we both ordered basically the same 3 piece product kit (base shield, brackets, shield) and got different things. Your base shield is approximately 2" shorter than mine. Your brackets came assembled differently than mine. The bottom of your shield has a different and more pleasing contour IMHO. What baffles me even more is that Mark at Madstad does not know for sure exactly what parts were sent to either one of us.

As a side note for you, when I installed my Base Shield it had slots and I installed it in the full DOWN position. Don't know if yours had slots and can be raised to a similar height as mine? In any event if yours is working probably no need to mess with success.

[MadStad]

Bruce,

What doesn't make a lot of sense is that we both ordered basically the same 3 piece product kit (base shield, brackets, shield) and got different things.

Our apologies, it turns out we sent you a GL1800 setup by mistake, and it just so happens that our mounting plate for the GL1800 fits into the F6B fairing (but wouldn't work the other way around). That's why it looks like you and Bruce got two different systems, because you did. Brackets are the same, shield and base plate are a bit different. We'll ship you the correct plate and another shield tomorrow, and that should set things right. Sorry for the confusion, we do make mistakes now and then. We appreciate your patience. - Mark

[Scotrod]

That's why it looks like you and Bruce got two different systems, because you did. Brackets are the same, shield and base plate are a bit different. . - Mark

Can we order F6B-specific sets from the website? Looked the other day and didn't see any F6B-specific option.

[Bruce B]

Can we order F6B-specific sets from the website? Looked the other day and didn't see any F6B-specific option.

The F6B isn't on the site yet but give a call and they'll fix you up. I think it's good to discuss the height with them before ordering. You've been following the Madstad deal very closely. Sounds like you're ready to order.

[Scotrod]

The F6B isn't on the site yet but give a call and they'll fix you up. I think it's good to discuss the height with them before ordering. You've been following the Madstad deal very closely. Sounds like you're ready to order.

Closer now than I've ever been! :icon_biggrin:

I have at least (1) real hurdle before I can commit.

~New~ seat (RDL) arrives the 30th. Need to test and tune with it to determine if I'm higher/lower/same, etc. Doubt that there will be any significant changes along those lines, BUT, with luck like mine,,, (JINXED is my middle name!!!!)

You mentioned you thought about getting a med tint shield ISO the light tint. Why?

[Bruce B]

Closer now than I've ever been! :icon_biggrin:

I have at least (1) real hurdle before I can commit.

~New~ seat (RDL) arrives the 30th. Need to test and tune with it to determine if I'm higher/lower/same, etc. Doubt that there will be any significant changes along those lines, BUT, with luck like mine,,, (JINXED is my middle name!!!!)

You mentioned you thought about getting a med tint shield ISO the light tint. Why?

I just like the looks of the darker tint. My only concern is night time visability. If it wasn't for that, I'd go for the dark tint.

[d-shark]

Bruce B,

Regarding night time visibility with the dark grey. I was riding home the other night during dusk (remember now that I am currently looking through my 16" shield) and the lowered visibility was annoying. My previous shield was an 11" dark Baggershield which was no problem at night since I was looking well over the top of it. Point here is if you are looking far enough over the top of the shield then night visibility is not an issue (not for me anyway).

[chipmaker]

If u get a madstad and look thru it, u missed the point and might as well get a tall cheap shield. U should be looking way over it...

[d-shark]

OK, I'm sure you folks have sensed my frustration over the differences in the Madstad kits Bruce and I received and what I felt was a lack of any acceptable explanation from Mark at Madstad. After sending Mark a number of Emails with photos of both bikes where none of the photos were visible on his end I suggested he come here to the Forum. Mark did that but evidently photos are only visible to registered members so he registered and had to wait for administrator approval before logging in (this explains why a response to my questions took so long). Now that Mark is a member and has seen all the photos he and I are finally on the same page as indicated by his post here yesterday afternoon.

I would like to give Mark credit for the time he has spent reading my emails, answering my phone calls, registering on this forum and dealing professionally with my impatience. After Mark got on the Forum yesterday and saw the photos we exchanged a couple of very informative emails. Some of that information I will try to paraphrase here.

Mark reminded me although Madstad manufactures a lot of shield kits, the F6B kit is new so they are still experimenting and or trying different things to see what customers respond to. As an example he mentioned they have sent out three different windshield shapes with different contours to get customer feedback. I made Mark aware that given a choice between mine or Bruce's top shield I vote for Bruce's. Now that Mark is a member here I'm sure he will follow this thread so others should express their preference as well.

As mentioned earlier I am waiting for an 11" shield that has shipped and will arrive next week. This shield mounted on my current base shield will measure approximately 11" from the top of the shield to the faring / base shield gasket in it's lowest position and approximately 14" in it's highest position which is a good range of adjustment. I really liked the height of my previous 11" Baggershield, I was looking well over the top of it and reasonable wind protection for most riding. I expect the ability to raise the Madstad shield up for long interstate runs to be a big plus. The 16" Madstad provides a big bubble of calm air at just about any angle and or height. I'm guessing the 11" shield effectiveness may be a bit more sensitive to height and angle adjustment???

Mark has offered to send me the shorter base shield as seen on Bruce's bike and I'm not sure I want to install that for a few reasons: First of all with the taller base shield when the shield itself is adjusted all the way down the bottom of the shield is generally in line with the faring / base shield gasket (this looks nice). Seems to me this would be as low as one would want the shield to go any way. Seems to me like a lower position would start to choke off the air gap between the shield and faring? Also seems to me if the bottom of the shield is adjusted below the the faring gasket it's just not going to look quite right? Also adjusting the bottom of the shield below the faring gasket seems like there may be a risk of inadvertently contacting the faring. Also, I just find the taller base shield top contour visually more pleasing compared to the shorter base shield on Bruce's bike (just me). And finally seems to me the taller base shield would make the whole system more aerodynamically effective, especially when the shield is in it's full up position compared to the shorter base shield??? Others should express their feelings as I'm sure Mark would appreciate the feedback.

Mark explained to me that they went with the shorter base shield on the F6B to avoid limiting forward visibility since the base is completely dark for this model (this is thick heavy material that provides very good support for the brackets). Mark seems to think the taller base shield could be s safety issue for shorter riders and thinks sacrificing adjustment range is an acceptable trade-off for improved visibility. For me having full usable height adjustment range is a key feature!!! I had a number of friends ride my F6B with the 11" Baggershield that was dark and everyone said they could easily see over it just fine. My taller Madstad base shield is only 10" tall measured from the bottom edge of the faring gasket to the top of the base shield. Thoughts from others on this subject my be helpful to Mark.

When I have a chance to install and ride with the new 11" shield next week I will report back. Thanks to Bruce, Mark and everyone else here for their helpful input.

[d-shark]

chipmaker,

You are right. This has become a long thread but earlier I stated I ordered the 16" shield at Madstad's advice and it turned out it was way too tall (am looking through it). Madstad is sending me an 11" to replace it.

[chipmaker]

Can't wait to get one for this bike, I'll let u guys figure out the final product choices...

[d-shark]

If I had not received the taller Madstad base shield by mistake that allows full up & down bracket adjustment of the shield that would have been an immediate deal breaker for me. I looked hard at the Windbender which is a very nice product with a claimed vertical adjustment of 4". I want to be able to slam the shield down when riding mountain twisties and up on long interstate hauls. Which I assumed both of these products were capable of prior to my Madstad purchase.

For me Madstad edged out the Windbender with it's simple yet elegant rake adjustment. If you compromise the vertical adjustment range of the Madstad then I think I would have to go with the Windbender.

[Bruce B]

If u get a madstad and look thru it, u missed the point and might as well get a tall cheap shield. U should be looking way over it...

You're right, and I do look way over it. I really just wonder if I should stick to the medium gray rather than the dark for visibility to the 8 and 4:00 positions on slow parking lot, etc. situations.

[d-shark]

Bike with 11" shield at 60 degrees, set approx 1" up from full down.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W0C9Kpu4OT0/Um8J2GEf8yI/AAAAAAAAAl4/9JDST60humk/w1153-h865-no/IMG_20131028_194715.jpg

Windshield full up,red tape 58" (my eye level).
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Q7EVIC4iQXzv-dTgDs_bMdbhmww62RZmrUKbxfD3xvs=w649-h865-no

Windshield approx 1" up, red tape 58" (my eye level).
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/u6MbMF20xwduD6QKKIwGIuHTndiMuR25M0HvvXhkcAU=w649-h865-no

Windshield full down, red tape 58" (my eye level).
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UOnEvMLGO6Q/Um8Dsqi-5BI/AAAAAAAAAjs/4nKS1Z004ZE/w649-h865-no/IMG_20131028_193844.jpg

Windshied full up, 60 degree tilt.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-kSEoK-Zw4Ss/Um8FJ2gVcLI/AAAAAAAAAkM/W2zzc6KwmPo/w1153-h865-no/IMG_20131028_194458.jpg

Windshiel approx 1" up, 60 degree tilt.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5qHryBfneW93IfVbN7mSv84_l_N0A0xVacAw_dGWRbU=w1153-h865-no

Windshield full down, 60 degree tilt.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-66CiHhOngCM/Um8FQ0ukepI/AAAAAAAAAkY/hNc7oT3hOQ8/w1153-h865-no/IMG_20131028_194529.jpg

Beautiful day today in Central IL, UPS delivered shield at 3pm so I got out for 2 hours of riding. First of all the 11" shield adjusted approx 1" up from the lowest height setting and tilted at 60 degrees is every bit as effective as the 16" shield was despite the fact that I'm looking well over the top of it. Wind protection is also good set in full UP and full DOWN positions. In the full UP position I have to sit up just a tad to see over the top of the shield. So with this combination (tall base shield & 11" shield) this works good for me being 6'2". The full height adjustment range is usable for me.

With my old 11" Baggershield the stereo was useless above 55mph. Today on the interstate at 75mph I enjoyed the stereo without having to crank it to ear blistering levels. Also tried my Half Helmet which produced a ton of wind noise with the Baggershied. Only slightly more noise with the helmet compared to no helmet.

Photos from the riders seat give you an idea of how the tall base shield looks relative to the forward field of view. I think a rider would have to be very short for the taller base shield to present any kind of forward visibility problem. I personally like the proportions of the tall base shield and 11" top shield. At my request Madstad shipped me a top shield with the gentler bottom contour which looks better IMO.

[Mustangjake]

My opinion for what little it counts. The Madstad looks like it is about 3 inches forward of the stock shield and less of a angle most likely why u need a shorter 1.

[Scotrod]

The smaller shield does look better!!!

D-Shark, what's your inseam?

So far, it looks like I'm either an 11 or a 13 shield sze w/Madstad.

[d-shark]

Scotrod,

I am 6',2" tall with an average to perhaps slightly longer torso length and 34" pant inseam. To select the proper shield height you have to first know exactly which base shield Madstad is going to ship to you. I received the 10" tall base shield by accident (as measured from the bottom of the faring gasket to the top of the base shield). Mark at Madstad said they should have shipped a base shield that is approx 2" shorter as seen in this thread on Bruce's bike.

If you look at Bruce's bike he has his brackets adjusted approx 2" UP to get the bottom of the shield approx even with the faring gasket. My guess is that the top of his 13" shield is approx 13" above the bottom of the faring gasket. This leaves Bruce with only 1" of additional UP adjustment (so the full usable adjustment range for Bruce is 13" to 14" above the bottom of the faring gasket). So if you get the shorter base shield as Bruce did then you have to choose your shield height very carefully because of the very limited height adjustment. When I discussed the limited height adjustment the shorter base shield imposes with Mark at Madstad, Mark seemed to think it was no big deal, I have to disagree, (that would be a deal killer for me).

In my case I have the taller 10" base shield so when the brackets are adjusted all the way DOWN the bottom of the shield is approx even with the faring gasket. I can set my 11" shield so the top of it is anywhere from 11" to 14" above the bottom of the faring gasket. I appear to get excellent wind protection through that entire adjustment range with the taller base shield. My concern is that a shorter base shield may degrade wind protection when the shield is adjusted full UP? I have no way to prove this, so make your own choice.

It was interesting in my conversations with Mark, he stated the Madstad windshield heights they manufacture are simply that, the height of the windshield when placed on a table measured from top to bottom (they make no reference to a point on the bike). On the other hand Goldwing owners when discussing windshield height tend to assume this means the height of the shield measured from the faring gasket to the top of the shield. This is not the case with the kit Bruce received. If he adjusts his 13" shield to full DOWN the top of his shield will be approx 11" above the faring gasket and the bottom of the shield approx 2" below the faring gasket. My point here is that Goldwing owners may be thinking apples while Madstad is thinking and shipping oranges.

I'm taking the time here in an attempt to help forum members understand their choices. I also hope this will be useful and constructive feedback for Madstad. When I originally ordered this product I wanted a shield I could adjust from 11" up to 14" in height (as measured from the bottom of the faring base gasket to the top of the shield). Madstad recommended I order their 16" shield despite the measurements I provided and concerns I expressed about 16" being too tall (granted Mark assured me they would replace the shield at no charge if it did not work out and he has).

My advice would be to order the taller Base Shield, that way if you adjust a 11" or 13" shield full DOWN, the top of the shield will be approximately 11" or 13" above the bottom of the faring base gasket. Then you have a full 3" of upward adjustment (14" and 16" max height respectively) with no apparent loss in wind protection as far as I can tell.

[Scotrod]

I'm 6-0 w/30 so ~roughly~ the same as 6-4 w/34 (Dad's 6-4 and we are the same height at the table. Different story after he stands up! LOL!)

I have a 'convertable' baggershield which is 19 in the 'raised' position. (11 low, I believe) No problems at all seeing over it @ 19.

Seen some 'Goldwing' shields measured as overall length, including the portion below the rubber strip, while F6b shields are sometimes measured rubber strip up. (Baggershield does this on there website.) Probably a result of OEM Wings having 4 inches of shield adjustment while F6b's have none.)

The range of adjustment you prefer seems to be similar to what the Windbender set up does. Madstad costs less and comes with rake adjustment 'standard'. I can't say there is any clear-cut advantage in function of one system vs. the other as I've never had either one. :iduno:

[d-shark]

Scotrod,

Based on my limited riding experience so far with the Madstad there is not a huge difference in added wind protection for the rider when adjusting the rake from the stock angle to 60 degrees as recommended but there is some improvement. Ability to adjust the rake seems to benefit the passenger more than the rider in my case. Just to be clear, the air is very calm at the rider position at just about any angle and or height. I will have to report back after my girlfriend has had more time to critique what's going on from the passenger seat.

I looked hard and long at the Windbender which appears to be a fine product and they have many happy customers. I just went Madstad because it had what I thought was a more elegant rake adjustment already built into their Robo Bracket system. So far I am very happy I spent the extra money for this type of windshield system. It simply adds to an already great F6B riding experience.

[d-shark]

A brief update since installing the shorter 11" Dark Grey Madstad Shield in place of the original 16" they originally recommended. I mentioned earlier the 11" shield is every bit as effective for me the rider as the 16" shield was. Yesterday had the girlfriend on the back for an afternoon ride for the first time with the 11" shield. We tried all different angles & heights, turns out with the shield at approx 60 degrees and raised approx 1" from it's lowest setting is the best for both of us. I should note we were not wearing helmets of any kind.

She stated she could not detect any reduction in wind protection with the 11" shield compared to the 16" shield and that both were vastly better for her than the 11" Baggershield installed before the Madstad. She made the observation that when she leans forward to speak into my ear there is wind noise, but when she sits back in a natural passenger position it is much quieter. She commented that at 70 mph she could hear the radio and that really the only wind noise she could hear is the wind rushing over the windshield.

So instead of wind or perhaps more accurately TURBULENCE constantly pummeling the ears there is more of a light fluttering about the ears. We can both hear the engine and trany which is louder than most would realize once the wind noise is gone.

The BaggerShield is a good traditional fixed windshield. I had the adjustable version but never used the top extension since I do not like looking through a shield. Compared to traditional fixed shields, Madstad really kicks wind protection up several levels and can spoil a rider real fast. My girlfriend and I are enjoying a great motorcycling experience (The F6B) even more now.

[Bruce B]

A brief update since installing the shorter 11" Dark Grey Madstad Shield in place of the original 16" they originally recommended. I mentioned earlier the 11" shield is every bit as effective for me the rider as the 16" shield was. Yesterday had the girlfriend on the back for an afternoon ride for the first time with the 11" shield. We tried all different angles & heights, turns out with the shield at approx 60 degrees and raised approx 1" from it's lowest setting is the best for both of us. I should note we were not wearing helmets of any kind.

She stated she could not detect any reduction in wind protection with the 11" shield compared to the 16" shield and that both were vastly better for her than the 11" Baggershield installed before the Madstad. She made the observation that when she leans forward to speak into my ear there is wind noise, but when she sits back in a natural passenger position it is much quieter. She commented that at 70 mph she could hear the radio and that really the only wind noise she could hear is the wind rushing over the windshield.

So instead of wind or perhaps more accurately TURBULENCE constantly pummeling the ears there is more of a light fluttering about the ears. We can both hear the engine and trany which is louder than most would realize once the wind noise is gone.

The BaggerShield is a good traditional fixed windshield. I had the adjustable version but never used the top extension since I do not like looking through a shield. Compared to traditional fixed shields, Madstad really kicks wind protection up several levels and can spoil a rider real fast. My girlfriend and I are enjoying a great motorcycling experience (The F6B) even more now.

I'm getting the same great results with my 13 inch Madstad. I couldn't be happier with it. I'm changing from the light tint to the dark gray, just because I like the looks better. Looking way over the top, the dark color isn't an issue. Since we have somewhat different base shields, our mounting looks bit different but that doesn't matter. We adjust for the desired result. My dark gray replacement will arrive on Wednesday and I'll post some pics for comparison.

[Scotrod]

I can easily see over the 19 inch combined height of my Baggershield.

Sounds like the Madstad will end up at a more-upright angle than OEM, but even then,,,, kinda getting the feeling a 15 might be necessary,,

[d-shark]

Scotrod,

In my case my eye level seated on the bike is 58" above the floor as measured by my girlfriend several times. In the photo below the top of the shield is 60" above the floor and the red tape 58" (my eye level). Measuring from the bottom of the faring gasket to the top of the shield is 14" (a 15" shield would be 1" taller when adjusted full down). You may want to have someone measure your eye level while sitting on the bike for comparison. My gut tells me a 15" would work for you but it would have to be adjusted all the way down to see over the top. That would virtually eliminate the vertical adjustment feature of the brackets.

The stock shield sits at an angle of approximately 45 degrees. As the Madstad shield is tilted upwards to the recommended 60 degrees the top edge moves up into your field of view fairly rapidly. In the photo below I can't see over the shield when it is set at a 60 degree angle as pictured. When I rotate the Madstad back to a 45 degree angle (close to stock) I can see over it.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Q7EVIC4iQXzv-dTgDs_bMdbhmww62RZmrUKbxfD3xvs=w649-h865-no

[chipmaker]

Any more updates on the Madstad, I just ordered mine. My 13" CB has the wind buffeting the top of my lid creating turbulence and noise.

[Bruce B]

I have the 13" dark shield and like it a lot. By this weekend I'll be trying the 11" shield just to compare and see which one I prefer. It's a great unit and I like it a lot better than my 13" CB. Put on 260 miles behind it last Saturday mostly in twisties to the Napa Valley wine country, then twisties north to Clear Lake, and then down a long twisty canyon, plus some straight stuff to get to and from the fun stuff. The dark shield works well. Like looking through dark sunglasses when there is a need to look down which is hardly ever. Even on 20 mph corners, I'm easily looking over and to the side of the shield. The dark tint is no problem or distraction at night either. I don't think I'd like the dark opaque shield though. You're going to like your Madstad. You'll like the appearance too. It's a distinctive windshield for a distinctive bike.

[chipmaker]

I have the 11" coming. I loved the madstad on my RG.

[Dfinkelsteinmd]

I have the 13" dark shield and like it a lot. By this weekend I'll be trying the 11" shield just to compare and see which one I prefer. It's a great unit and I like it a lot better than my 13" CB. Put on 260 miles behind it last Saturday mostly in twisties to the Napa Valley wine country, then twisties north to Clear Lake, and then down a long twisty canyon, plus some straight stuff to get to and from the fun stuff. The dark shield works well. Like looking through dark sunglasses when there is a need to look down which is hardly ever. Even on 20 mph corners, I'm easily looking over and to the side of the shield. The dark tint is no problem or distraction at night either. I don't think I'd like the dark opaque shield though. You're going to like your Madstad. You'll like the appearance too. It's a distinctive windshield for a distinctive bike.

I have the 11" Opaque as well as a slightly higher dark gray one, which I use in the winter but for the hot days of summer the shorty is better and it's easy to see over this dinky little thing. Doesn't matter that you can't see through it because it is such a perfect match for the bike's murdered out black looks but then that's a different type of cool. The great thing about the F6B is that you can take it in any direction you want and it's always a great ride. May be my favorite bike of all time but at 63 I hope to still have time for a few more. Variety really is the spice of life.

[d-shark]

You might recall from earlier in this thread that Madstad shipped me the 2" taller GL1800 Base Shield by mistake. Mark of Madstad after realizing what had happened wanted to ship me the shorter F6B Base Shield and I said No Thank You to that. The taller Base Shield (taller by approx 2") allows you to use the full 3" of up and down adjustment. When my 11" Outer Shield is in the Full Down position the bottom of the Outer Shield is approximately even with the faring shield gasket which looks aesthetically pleasing in my opinion. In the Full Up position the top of the Outer Shield is approximately 14 inches above the faring gasket (nice usable adjustment range).

With the 2" shorter Base Shield the bottom of the Outer Shield will be approximately 2 inches below the faring shield gasket which does look right in my opinion. Secondly, I have talked to at least one other owner that found having the shield all the way down with the shorter Base Shield seemed to choke off air flow between the Outer Shield and Base Shield degrading overall wind protection.

I'm not sure why Mark at Madstad is reluctant to use the taller GL1800 Base Shield on the F6B???? In my opinion it looks good and provides great wind protection through out the Outer Shield's entire range of height adjustment.

In talking to Mark it's pretty clear their F6B shield is a new product and that Madstad is relying entirely on customer feedback as they develop this product. I hope everyone here will be sure to give Mark feedback on their likes and dislikes as I have.

My 11" shield in the Full Down position.


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[chipmaker]

Thats nice and low, but does it pop the wind all the way over your head?

[d-shark]

Thats nice and low, but does it pop the wind all the way over your head?


With the shield all the way down I do get some wind which is nice on Hot Days doing 50-60 mph. For interstate riding I usually run the shield adjusted about 1 inch up from what is shown in the photo (still very low but max wind protection). Wind goes all the way over the Head at 6'-2" tall.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that if you happen to get the 2" shorter Base Shield then the bottom of the Outer Shield will be 2" lower compared to what is seem on my bike. To me that does not make much sense (who wants to have the bottom of the shield that low) and limits how high the shield can be adjusted.

Taller Base Shield with 11" Outer Shield, the top of the Outer Shield can be adjusted from 11" to 14" above the base of the faring gasket.

Shorter Base Shield with 11" Outer Shield, the top of the Outer Shield can be adjusted from 9" to 12" above the base of the faring gasket.

In my opinion the taller Base Shield provides more usable vertical adjustment. Madstad will try to talk you into the shorter Base Shield so decide what works for you and order accordingly.

[Bruce B]

With the shield all the way down I do get some wind which is nice on Hot Days doing 50-60 mph. For interstate riding I usually run the shield adjusted about 1 inch up from what is shown in the photo (still very low but max wind protection). Wind goes all the way over the Head at 6'-2" tall.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that if you happen to get the 2" shorter Base Shield then the bottom of the Outer Shield will be 2" lower compared to what is seem on my bike. To me that does not make much sense (who wants to have the bottom of the shield that low) and limits how high the shield can be adjusted.

Taller Base Shield with 11" Outer Shield, the top of the Outer Shield can be adjusted from 11" to 14" above the base of the faring gasket.

Shorter Base Shield with 11" Outer Shield, the top of the Outer Shield can be adjusted from 9" to 12" above the base of the faring gasket.

In my opinion the taller Base Shield provides more usable vertical adjustment. Madstad will try to talk you into the shorter Base Shield so decide what works for you and order accordingly.

As part of our R&D effort on this, I Have an 11" on the way to me along with a new base. Your base is 2" higher than my short one and at my height of 5'10", I am 4 inches shorter than you are. The new base I am trying will be taller by half the distance between my short one and your tall one. In other words, 1 inch taller than mine and 1 inch lower than yours. With the 11" shield instead of the 13" I have now, I'm expecting to still get good wind protection as well as being able to lower the screen further out of my line of sight.

[chipmaker]

Mine gets delivered Monday, I wonder which base I will get? I'm only 5'11'', so I think I'll be fine either way...

[Bruce B]

After a bit of R&D tinkering with this new product, I've settled on the 11" shield and the mid size base plate for my height of 5' 10" and average build. Couldn't be happier. By far the best shield I've ever owned, IMHO. As always, your preferences my differ. Haven't used it in really cold weather yet but have done some riding with temps in the mid thirties. The protection is great. Yes, we do get some cool weather up here in central California.

[hiflyer]

Thanks for the pics and comments Bruce, exactly what I needed to make up my mind.

[d-shark]

Bruce, your shield angle and height relative to the faring gasket looks pretty much identical to what I have settled on (plenty of gap between Base and Shield). Just curious if you noticed any difference when you switched from the 8" to 9" Base? My 10" Base is a bit wider than yours. I notice I have a very wide envelope of calm air (well beyond each shoulder and not much air around the hands). Was wondering if you seem to get the same wide envelope?

The Madstad site seems to suggest the calm air is produced by letting some air between the Base and Shield to relieve some of the low pressure behind the Shield. My tinkering (and aviation background) has me thinking quite the opposite. I think the stream of air flowing up and over the front of the Shield creates a lower relative air pressure in front of the stream of air flowing up from the Base. This IMO allows the stream of air flowing up the Base to rise higher than it normally would with a single traditional shield (thus the bubble of calm air up and over your head)

Having tinkered with many different positions and settings, my experience suggests the more air flow over the Base the better. In other words the bigger the gap between bottom of the Shield and Base the better. This gap is user adjustable in two ways: First in the way the Robo Brackets are assembled and Second in how low you adjust your Shield. The Robo Brackets have a series of assembly holes which allow the Shield to be mounted closer or further away from the Base. I have settled on the Furthest setting (max gap between Shield and Base). For those with the shorter 8" or 9" Base you have to be careful not to adjust the shield so low that the Gap between the Base and the bottom of the Shield is choked off.

If you special order the 10" Base it is simply not possible to adjust the Shield so low that the gap between the bottom of the Shield and Base is choked off (this is one advantage to the 10" Base IMO). In the lowest position the bottom of the shield is about even with the Faring Gasket when adjusted Full Down using a 10" Base (this will be true with any height Shield). With the 8" Base and the Shield adjusted Full Down the bottom of the Shield will be about 2" below the Faring Gasket choking off the gap (and air flow) between the bottom of the Shield and Base. I point this out once again for any one trying to decide what height shield to order. Because if you receive an 8" Base and happen to order a Shield that is really too tall for you by mistake, then naturally you will adjust the Shield to the Full Down position in an attempt to see over it. This will choke the gap between the bottom of the Shield and Base and you will not get the wind protection the Madstad is truly capable of.

The Madstad Website Shield height recommendations are all skewed way too Tall. Bruce ended up trading out for a shorter shield and so did I. I'm a Normal Build build 6'-2" guy and the website suggests a 15" Shield. I'm actually using the 11" Shield adjusted up about 1" from the Full Down position and I am looking way over the top of it with great results. I think Bruce is about 5'-10" and using the same 11" Shield now with good results.

Madstad is a small company with a great product. Be aware however they do not have a Goldwing available to them for test rides to tweak the F6B product. So all the Field Testing is being done by folks like us. My advice when it comes to the F6B is to take Madstad's recommendations on Base and Shield heights with a grain of salt. Those of us actually riding with the Madstad will continue to provide feedback in hopes that info will help others get the most out of their Madstad purchase.

[Scotrod]

I like the appearance of my short base. :shrug:

[d-shark]

I like the appearance of my short base. :shrug:

Scotrod,

I agree the short Base looks fine, question for me is: Does it provide the same degree of wind protection as the taller Base?

You mentioned in another thread that your short ride on the Interstate with the Madstad did not seem that much different than a standard shield. My bike on the Interstate is Hands Down many times better than the 11" BaggerShield I was running. Before the Madstad I actually thought the BaggerShield was doing a good job. The Madstad just exceeded all my expectations by a wide margin.

On the Interstate I still get some buffeting from traffic but much reduced compared to my BaggerShield. The Madstad also seems to help in reducing to some degree the effect of stiff crosswinds on the rider. It just seems to create a relatively large Bubble of smooth air.

Now I know due to weather you have not had the opportunity to ride that much to dial-in your setup. I'm just trying to provide my observations for others trying to order or dial-in what they have.

[hiflyer]

Just placed my order, and talked to Mark. He advised that the tall baseplate is now the default for F6B.

[Elin in So. Cal.]

Let us know what other shields you've tried as well.



I bought the Baggershield and can say that it is wonderful for me. I just took it for a serious spin. First with the 9" smoke portion in place. (Today was 80 degrees here in So.Cal. Perfect riding wx.)

Had some buffeting of the helmet at 80 mph and similar wind noise to having the stock shield in place. After chow up in Banning (near the desert of California) I put the additional shield in place--the clear portion, effectively just turning it upwards from its locked place behind the smoke portion. It was a lot like the feeling I had back when I rode with the stock HD Softail Classic shield. Very enclosing and secure-feeling.

Oh my, over-the-moon difference! I rode at 60 mph without my face shield down and could hear the music coming out of the radio! Toodled along a new-for-me road that took me through some awesome places, and all at 50-65 mph with NO WIND NOISE. None. Not a bit. Nada. Nyet. I'm riding with a 3/4 helmet right now, and it was so dinged quiet that I had to stand up on the pegs to feel if it was something crazy, or just how effective the shield was. It was the wind shield, definitely.

Then, just to be sure, I headed back out to the freeway and smoked it up to 85 before I even knew it. Oops... Still, NO wind noise. I did put the face shield down because I could feel some wind drag on it. Still heard the tunes.
My dog, who went along for the trip, approves of the new bike. He has his own "dog luggage" carrier that was in the passenger seat.

I'm definitely glad I purchased the variable-height Baggershield.

[Scotrod]

Elin,

Do you see over the Baggershield when the clear portion is in the upright position? If I remember correctly, you are ~5'-4~ or so,,, You might be better-protected than others if you're looking through the shield vs over.

I need more Test and tune time with my 'Stad,,, I have a long torso, a seat that rises me up an inch or so, and I'm w-i-d-e-r than most as well.

Hard to tuck all that in behind any shield. (Like an elephant hiding behind a phone pole!!! :icon_doh: LOL!!!)

[Scotrod]

Just placed my order, and talked to Mark. He advised that the tall baseplate is now the default for F6B.

Hmm,,,

I need to at least give Mark a 'courtesy call',,,

[Scotrod]

Scotrod,


You mentioned in another thread that your short ride on the Interstate with the Madstad did not seem that much different than a standard shield.

I was surrounded by heavy Houston traffic the entire time. Very poor conditions. :icon_frown:

My bike on the Interstate is Hands Down many times better than the 11" BaggerShield I was running.

I was running the 'convertible' in the high mounted position,,, 20.5 inches of shield above weatherstrip

Before the Madstad I actually thought the BaggerShield was doing a good job. The Madstad just exceeded all my expectations by a wide margin.

On the Interstate I still get some buffeting from traffic but much reduced compared to my BaggerShield. The Madstad also seems to help in reducing to some degree the effect of stiff crosswinds on the rider. It just seems to create a relatively large Bubble of smooth air.

Now I know due to weather you have not had the opportunity to ride that much to dial-in your setup. I'm just trying to provide my observations for others trying to order or dial-in what they have.

No worries! Hoping to get more dial-in time SOON!!!!! Always open to helpful tips and what others have experienced!!!! :yes:
Just like anything else, what one experiences may not be identical to another, but typically, a pattern of sorts develops!! :yes:

[hiflyer]

Ho Ho Ho. my Madstad will be here before Christmas. Thanks Santa, it's just what I wanted. Even got a call this morning from one of the elves at the Madstad pole. That's customer service.

[Bruce B]

Ho Ho Ho. my Madstad will be here before Christmas. Thanks Santa, it's just what I wanted. Even got a call this morning from one of the elves at the Madstad pole. That's customer service.


You're going to really like it. Have fun.

[Scotrod]

Working w/Chris @ Madstad to 'fine tune'. Chris requested some pics, so here we go,,,,
These were taken w/bracket bolts 1 set of holes down. Angle seems to work best for my application.
Still, more T and T required. Hope to be heading out for a good ride soon.

[d-shark]

Scotrod,

One thing I noted from your photos is the way your Robo Brackets are assembled. If I'm not mistaken Bruce B's were assembled in a similar fashion from the factory. Over a period of time Bruce and I compared notes and found assembling the Robo Brackets to provide Max distance between the Base and Shield provided best results for both of us. This is Burce B's bike, Note the bolt hole locations for the 2-piece Robo Brackets:

http://hondaf6b.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3355&d=1387233205

Then note the bolt hole locations on your Robo Brackets:

http://hondaf6b.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3446&d=1387596742

It also looks like your shield is not tilted forward to a full 60 degrees. My theory is with the Shield mounted closer to the Base (as on your bike now) as the top of the Shield is tilted forward to 60 degrees the bottom edge of the Shield rotates in towards the Base choking off the air gap further and therefore air flow between Base and Shield reducing the wind protection.

As stated earlier, I found best performance with Max gap between Base & shield. You might want to try re-configuring your Robo-Brackets to what Bruce and I are using (Max Gap) for a comparison.

[Scotrod]

Brackets were shipped 'full out'. Rode it first day w/that configuration and later re-bolted to one full set of holes in (as pictured)

Bruces in pic is full up in front hole, not quite top hole in back of bracket. (lower of 2 holes that overlap at top) His forward bolt direction is also different. Not sure that it matters as long as 'plastic' washer is against the slot

Started out w60 rake first day, Feeling the air movement at all locations with your hand helps with adjustments.

Last trip out was in the lower (actually middle overall) hole set (as pictured), Went back to 60 rake for S + G. 60 rake was worse still as lower 'intake' area was restricted, less air coming up behind to push oncoming air up..

Moved the brackets back to full out last night as I'm hoping to head out today, once the T-storms pass through,, Also hoping to experience more super-slab speeds today,,, Should be able to focus / fine tune that aspect a bit more as most everything prior was 50-60 MPH.

I'm happy to have something that is adjustable vs. a plain old "bolt it on and ya got whatcha got" set up! =-/

[d-shark]

Was cleaning my bike this morning and snapped a couple photos of how my 11" Shield with 10" Base are set up. Note where the Robo-Bracket assembly bolt holes are lined up in the first photo.

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The photo below shows the angle relationship between the Base and Shield. I had not checked the Shield angle in a long time. Threw my angle gauge on it and it was dead on 60 degrees. Note the large gap between the bottom of the Shield and Base (2-1/2 inches). I found this to work best on my bike.
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[d-shark]

Scotrod,

Next time out you might try setting up your shield so that it looks similar to mine as far as the relationship of the bottom to the Shield to the Base and Faring. I'm thinking this will be Shield full UP since you have the short Base. I realize this will almost certainly result in you looking through the Shield but it might be informative.


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I originally had the 15" Shield and had good wind protection. When I went to the 11" Shield I think the wind protection actually improved.

[d-shark]

I wanted to expand a bit on my comment in the above post: "I originally had the 15" Shield and had good wind protection. When I went to the 11" Shield I think the wind protection actually improved."

The main differences between the 15" and 11" shield adjustment on my bike were that the 15" shield was adjusted all the way Down (smaller gap between bottom of Shield and Base), the 11" Shield is adjusted up about 1-1/4" (larger gap between bottom of Shield and Base).

It should also be noted that with the Shield adjusted Full Down, as you push the top of the Shield forward to the 60 degree position, the bottom of the Shield actually rotates in closer to the Base and Faring compared to a Shield that is adjust UP from it's lowest setting. This is due to the way the Shield cantilevers on the Robo-Brackets.

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[Lucas]

Folks-I picked the Madstad windshield for the new F6B. The service from Madstad is outstanding. They return both telephone calls and email!

The installation is absolutely easy. The windshield parts are beautifully made, and the system works very well. I picked the Madstad because it was strongly recommended, and because it is adjustable. The adjustments are simple, and they can be done in a parking lot, without tools and with gloves on.

The Madstad windshield is effective at all tested speeds so far. Though easy to adjust, it took just a couple of tries to set it up for my riding height and position. The ordering instructions have a menu for rider height. I followed this to the letter, and backed it up with a phone call to Madstad. They were very helpful! Madstad makes a great product.

Bottom line: Madstad is highly recommended!

[hiflyer]

Oh yeah, my box of Madstad goodies just arrived. Me and my dog Buddy, are going to warm up the garage tonight and put this baby on. Old Budster is good at passing tools and a great conversationalist. The best kind, he listens, with a cat eatin grin on his face.

[1951vbs]

Very detailed information. I am glad you guys are all getting these Madstad's dialed in to the point you have as clean an air bubble as a car but I just can't get past the looks. If it would work with the front shield angle matching the base or even raked back a little more I think it would be kinda cool. But as configured to "work" it looks like you are chasing a piece of plywood down the road. :stirthepot:

[Bruce B]

Very detailed information. I am glad you guys are all getting these Madstad's dialed in to the point you have as clean an air bubble as a car but I just can't get past the looks. If it would work with the front shield angle matching the base or even raked back a little more I think it would be kinda cool. But as configured to "work" it looks like you are chasing a piece of plywood down the road. :stirthepot:

I like the looks of my Madstad and the fact that it doesn't look like the typical generic piece of bent plastic. To me, it has an aggressive, high performance look of functional beauty. Different strokes...and another example of why Baskin Robbins sells 31 flavors, not just one.

[d-shark]

It's interesting that of all the people stopping to admire my F6B, not one has ever noticed anything unusual about the Madstad windshield unless I point it out to them. In other words when you see the Bike in person the Madstad does not call undue attention to itself. I can however see how the multitude of close-up photos in this thread may tend to lead one to conclude otherwise.

I have the 11" shield and agree with Bruce that it tilts the overall look of the bike to slightly more aggressive (which I like). Furthermore, the looks become quite secondary once you experience what the Madstad can do when Dialed in. I've been riding 35 years on many bikes, many long trips, all kinds of weather. Nothing comes close to the Madstad mounted on my F6B.

[1951vbs]

I like the looks of my Madstad and the fact that it doesn't look like the typical generic piece of bent plastic. To me, it has an aggressive, high performance look of functional beauty. Different strokes...and another example of why Baskin Robbins sells 31 flavors, not just one.

Functional Beauty, I like that, kinda like exhaust header wrap on a bobber.

From D-Shark: "In other words when you see the Bike in person the Madstad does not call undue attention to itself. I can however see how the multitude of close-up photos in this thread may tend to lead one to conclude otherwise."

That is probably what the problem is. I have not seen a Madstad equipped bike in person. I do like your reports, very detailed and informative.

Thanks.

[Scotrod]

[QUOTE=Lucas;17870]. The service from Madstad is outstanding. They return both telephone calls and email!

QUOTE]

I've been happy with their service as well. :yes: :yes: :yes:

I'm working via email w/Chris describing my dial in/results,,,,

Just got in from a few days riding out in the Hill Country. Not sure how many other Madstad-equipped F6B's are running air wings under the mirrors, but I'm finding some 'cause-effect' in my set up,,,,

I've adjusted the 'Stad ~19 different ways from south~ so far,,, Still have a little helmet flutter 70-80 mph. (great at 60 and under)

Close the wings and the flutter is all but gone, but,,, it feels like someone is pressing forward on my upper back, shoulders, and on the back of my helmet. (pressure) Open up the wings a bit, the pressure fades, and the flutter comes back,,,

:stirthepot: Even before this last trip,,, Chris had an idea,,,, :stirthepot: I just emailed him my latest results. :stirthepot: I'll wait until I hear back from him before I divulge our next step,,, :stirthepot:

[hiflyer]

My dog is ticked. Ol' Buddy had the garage warmed up last night, his tools laid out, and his best cigars ready for us to kick back after installing the delivered Madstad package. Only problem, seems the wife confiscated our box while we weren't looking, wrapped it, and put it under the tree. The Budster won't even look at me, just raises his tail and shows me his backside as he walks out of the room

[hiflyer]

First Impressions:
No buffet, less noise, no back pressure. Easily adjustable. One adjustment into the short test ride and I think I have it. More later

[d-shark]

Springfield, IL to Sarasota, FL, 1,150 miles and the Madstad was a big help in the cold. No helmet buffet and no neck pain.

[Scotrod]

Working w/Chris and now Cody at Madstad.

Just out of my own curiosity,,, (not a suggestion from Madstad) I'm going to try pulling the (National Cycle) under-mirror wind wings off.

{At least at that point, it eliminates a variable that others may not have on their 'stad-equipped' bikes.}

Again, I'm not having 'big' problems,,, I'm just in the relentless pursuit of perfection!!! :crackup:

[d-shark]

Just finished a 2,300 mile round trip from IL to FL and back. I was really impressed with the cold weather wind protection offered by my Madstad. I wore a Bell Pit Boss half helmet with zip-in neck curtain that covers the ears and back of the neck. My head was always warm, exposed skin did not get cold (to my surprise) and eyes did not tear from the cold.

On the way down I started off at 28 degrees and rode most of the day in the low 30's, 12 hours total. Last day on the way back started out at 42 degrees and steadily dropped over 9 hours to 19 degrees for the last hour. I had heated grips, Powerlet heated glove liners and heated jacket liner. Hands were always nice and warm with liners and Klim Powercross gortex gloves. At 19 degrees the heated jacket liner kept me warm enough. No heat on the feet which did get chilly due to the 9 hour exposure but not painfully so.

I had plenty of time to take note of where air was moving and where it was not. My 10" Madstad Base is 26 inches wide from edge to edge and I think the extra width of the 10" Base really helps to create a wide swath of calm air. Air is calm well beyond each shoulder to the left and right (and I'm a big guy). Also noted that air was very calm around the hand grips. Wind out by the bar end weights and about 3 inches below the grips but none in the area around the grips where my hands rested.

First day coming back rode through a couple of downpours on the Interstate and the amount of water hitting me in the face was comparable to a traditional windshield that you would be looking over. Did not get a chance to adjust the shield up to where I would be looking through it since I was pushing to make time.

[Scotrod]

Wife and I went riding last weekend, and swapped bikes out on the new toll way and 290 for 10-20 miles. (Me; Madstad 15", Her: Baggershield convertible, clear section up, lower portion mounted as low as possible in slots. 19" tall overall)

My seat places me a little higher than hers. I have a long torso. Her line of sight was at/slightly below the top of my shield. She immediately noticed how quiet it was and less head bobble.

Me? I'm looking well over her 19" tall Bagger shield (Chin/lower lip @ top of shield) I was reminded of how much wind and noise I experienced previously.

We ordered a 13" Med Smoke Madstad for her.

I may,,, may,,, be getting a wider shield for mine,,,

[hiflyer]

. I was really impressed with the cold weather wind protection At 19 degrees the heated jacket liner kept me warm enough. No heat on the feet which did get chilly due to the 9 hour exposure but not painfully so.

.

Walmart D cell powered heated sox. One D cell lasts several hours. Battery fits in a pouch on the side of the top. I have used these for years. What do you think about that helmet? Love my Madstad.

[d-shark]

Walmart D cell powered heated sox. One D cell lasts several hours. Battery fits in a pouch on the side of the top. I have used these for years. What do you think about that helmet? Love my Madstad.

hiflyer: The Bell Pit Boss helmet has exceeded my expectations given it's reasonable price. I asked a fellow rider for advice on a helmet for colder weather and he owns and recommends the Pit Boss. The flip down shield is nice as long as any glasses you wear have some wrap. A standard pair of reading glasses with no wrap will not fit under the shield. I was a little concerned about the sun visor catching wind and creating head bobble but that was not the case behind the Madstad. I had the top of the Madstad adjusted about 2-3 inches below my eye level.

The removable neck curtain really kept my neck and ears warm. At the coldest points of the trip I had a light Beanie on my head, light neck warmer, a face warmer that covered my nose / cheeks & neck. The helmet went over all that and very comfortable riding several hours in the mid 20's.

I did notice that surrounding traffic noise is louder with this helmet on compared to riding with no helmet. While in FL I rode without a helmet for the most part and everything is pretty quiet behind the Madstad with stock F6B exhaust. I'm sure I would not have noticed the difference in traffic noise if I had been riding behind my old BaggerShield (too much wind noise to tell the difference). Since the Madstad provides much quieter air around the rider the helmet creates a little bit of re-verb like you have a bucket over your head which I guess in a way you do.

I typically wear a large but had to go to an Extra Large in this case. This helmet has the "Speed Dial" adjustment system which is a neat feature. The "Speed Dial" mechanism on the Large helmet felt fine on the back of my head. On the XL though if felt like it was too low on my neck for long distance comfort. The unit is made to snap in and out so I have removed it and the fit is fine for my head shape. I think lots of people with different head shape will find the "Speed Dial" a great feature.

In warm weather I will continue to use my Daytona Helmet (daytonahelmets.com). Daytona still makes the smallest, lightest DOT helmet in my book.

[Cool Hand Luke]

Motorcycle Superstore has Bell Pit Boss with tribal flames on sale for $50! Usual price is $129.95

Here is the link:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/45150/i/bell-pit-boss-pinstripe-helmet

And here is the picture of it:

3625

If you like the look it is unbeatable price!

[Scotrod]

Motorcycle Superstore has Bell Pit Boss with tribal flames on sale for $50! Usual price is $129.95

Here is the link:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/45150/i/bell-pit-boss-pinstripe-helmet

And here is the picture of it:

3625

If you like the look it is unbeatable price!

Great price! :yes:

Now if it just came in 3XL,, :banghead:

[GONRDN]

It says 49.99. If you go to that link and hit large, it changes to 39.99. Needless to say I ordered one. :banghead:

[YODA]

Lots of great technical discussion on the Madstad here. All most valuable and appreciated. But how does it handle the rain?

From my purely non-engineering perspective (an end-user's opinion), it seem that because of the gap between front & base shields, rain would tend to roll up from the fairing onto the base shield and directly onto a riders face.

Someone mentioned in this thread that the issue had been discussed on the Madstad website, but I could find no links to user comments, opinions or evaluations regarding riding in the rain.

[Lucas]

Lots of great technical discussion on the Madstad here. All most valuable and appreciated. But how does it handle the rain?

From my purely non-engineering perspective (an end-user's opinion), it seem that because of the gap between front & base shields, rain would tend to roll up from the fairing onto the base shield and directly onto a riders face.

Someone mentioned in this thread that the issue had been discussed on the Madstad website, but I could find no links to user comments, opinions or evaluations regarding riding in the rain.

Day one with my newly-installed Madstad windshield we encountered light rain. (Quite a feat, given that we live in Phoenix, Arizona.) The Madstad windshield handled the rain every bit as well as the Harley-Davidson windshields I've ridden behind, and at least as well as a Clockworks windshield that I had on my Road Glide Custom. The Madstad windshield works great, and it installs with out a bunch of tools, and without a degree in mechanical engineering. Better yet, it is adjustable!
A fine product, rain or shine.
Lucas in Phoenix

(No, I don't get any discount or kickback from Madstad...)

[d-shark]

Lots of great technical discussion on the Madstad here. All most valuable and appreciated. But how does it handle the rain?

From my purely non-engineering perspective (an end-user's opinion), it seem that because of the gap between front & base shields, rain would tend to roll up from the fairing onto the base shield and directly onto a riders face.

Someone mentioned in this thread that the issue had been discussed on the Madstad website, but I could find no links to user comments, opinions or evaluations regarding riding in the rain.

I-75 Northbound out of Tampa last Sunday it was raining, long periods of light to moderate and two separate downpours with near whiteout conditions. Northbound traffic was heavy & 70 mph so lots of road spray. The Madstad shield was adjusted about 2-3 inches below my line of sight so I was looking well over it. I was not getting much if any of the light to moderate and or road spray. Noticed my gloves and riding suit were pretty much dry. I was using the Flip-Down shield on my Bell Pit Boss helmet and my glasses were staying dry behind the helmet shield.

You would think water might come rolling over the top edge of the Madstad Base into your lap but not the case (even in the Heavy Rain). Had some beads of water sitting on the top edge of the Base but they just sat there with little or no movement. When going 70 mph the air between the Base and Shield forms a 70 mph curtain of air which seems to take any water with it up & over your head. So in light to moderate conditions the Madstad performs better than any traditional Shield I have used in the past.

When I hit the Heavy rain it was clear the incoming rain drops hitting my head and shoulders were coming down and in from above (not up from below and over top of the Base and or Shield). The rain drops from above were heavy enough to penetrate the air curtain produced by the Madstad. So in heavy rain (looking over the Madstad Shield) the Madstad performed pretty much like any other shield you would be looking over. When I hit the Heavy stuff my glasses got wet so I had to flip up the shield on my helmet in order to see anything. Ended up peaking over the top of my soaked glasses intermittently to see what was going on ahead.

So bottom line is performance is very good in Light to Moderate rain on the F6B (the best of any shield I have used). I should note I have the 10" tall Base which is 26 inches wide. I know some have shorter Bases that are not as wide. I get a lot of wind protection out around the handlebar grips and to the left and right out well beyond each shoulder that I attribute to the added height & width of the 10" Base.

Heavy downpours will overwhelm the Madstad just like any other traditional shield that you would be looking over. I have the ability to adjust my Madstad up about another 2 inches and will try that next time I know I will be riding in rain. Will let you know if there are any improvements to report.

[YODA]

Excellent feedback Gentlemen. Thanks.

I know all about Arizona rain. Most of the time it's All or Nothing! Mostly Nothing. I rode Solo Motors on the Phoenix Police for 10 years. Got caught on the Motor in more than a few Monsoon gully-washers. Will discuss Sand Storms in another Chapter. Ever see a Dippsy Dumpster rolling down the center of the street? No ...... It doesn't have wheels!

Now in North Texas where the weather man is wrong 199% of the time. Lots of 'unexpected' rain rides. Perhaps the Madstad is the means by which to 'Adapt, Improvise & Overcome'.

[austin_tech]

When I hit the Heavy rain it was clear the incoming rain drops hitting my head and shoulders were coming down and in from above (not up from below and over top of the Base and or Shield). The rain drops from above were heavy enough to penetrate the air curtain produced by the Madstad. So in heavy rain (looking over the Madstad Shield) the Madstad performed pretty much like any other shield you would be looking over. When I hit the Heavy stuff my glasses got wet so I had to flip up the shield on my helmet in order to see anything. Ended up peaking over the top of my soaked glasses intermittently to see what was going on ahead.



Y'all who ride in wrath-of-God weather crack me up! Rain heavy enough to penetrate a curtain of 70MPH jet stream and inundate your arse !! How about pulling over to the tavern for a bit till she lets up? :cheers:

[1951vbs]

Y'all who ride in wrath-of-God weather crack me up! Rain heavy enough to penetrate a curtain of 70MPH jet stream and inundate your arse !! How about pulling over to the tavern for a bit till she lets up? :cheers:

Sometimes you just have to get to point B, no time to sit it out.

I do appreciate this Madstad discussion but wonder if you just wouldn't get the same results by using a light weight full-face helmet. I like the stock height screen (CEE BAILEYS dark tint) and get no buffeting at any speed, warm in the winter, breeze in the summer and the radio sounds great and wind noise is non-existant with my JVC noise cancelling ear buds. Heavy rain no problem, just look right, look left = clear face sheild.

[Scotrod]

I do appreciate this Madstad discussion but wonder if,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

You'll never really know until you try a Madstad yourself!!! :stirthepot::icon_twisted::stirthepot::icon_twiste d::stirthepot:

[chipmaker]

Sometimes you just have to get to point B, no time to sit it out.

I do appreciate this Madstad discussion but wonder if you just wouldn't get the same results by using a light weight full-face helmet. I like the stock height screen (CEE BAILEYS dark tint) and get no buffeting at any speed, warm in the winter, breeze in the summer and the radio sounds great and wind noise is non-existant with my JVC noise cancelling ear buds. Heavy rain no problem, just look right, look left = clear face sheild.

If you are happy, keep what you have. My CB was letting the wind hit the top of my FF and at high speeds it shook my head. I knew if I wanted to see way over my windshield, Madstad was the answer. I was happy with it on one of my previous bikes. And it works really great with my 2/4 helmet.

[Clash]

What to do on a rainy and 37 degree Sunday morning.... install your new 11" Madstad shield of course.

Me and the dog went into the garage with the box of goodies from the good folk in Dade City Florida, EEK me and man's best friend run back into the house to find warmth as the Kerosine heater is bone dry and the garage is a very close second to Lambeau's frozen tundra.
All we can find in the house is one of those small electric bar heaters - you know the type that spin your electric meter like the Tach on a TZ750.

So with suitable arctic attire, a kilowatt muncher under my arm and a less than thrilled fido we trudge back to the frigid garage. Once inside we plug in and crank up the stone age thermal device, get some 80's alternative on the boom box and set about removing the stock windshield. With increasing warmth, familiar tunes, good instructions and a lazy dog for company all is good in the world. Everything came apart as advertized and installation of the 11" Madstad was surprisingly easy per the instructions and all within the time confines of the Clash's epic London Calling album.

If only the rain would cease and i can ride...

Oh the weather outside is frightful.....'cold' Well for at least 3 more days the NC climate is downright nasty with single digits forecast for Tuesday, therefore it maybe a lonnnnng week before i take her out for a ride and have fun finding the perfect angular incline and dialing in the optimium vertical adjustment for my riding position.

Oh well there's football on the tv, a happy hound next to me on the couch and Jethro Tull next up on the stereo.:thumb:

[Scotrod]

Clash,,, What shield are your replacing w/the Madstad?

[1951vbs]

Clash,,, What shield are your replacing w/the Madstad?

Clash said: "set about removing the stock windshield."

[opas ride]

I am asking a question that maybe someone may have an answer for about the Madstad windshield and Cobra 6-2-6 pipes..Many riders have experienced a drone sound with the F6B and Cobra pipes that could be somewhat reduced by changing windshields..I have this "dreaded drone" at certain speeds on the highway. Not intolerable, but can be somewhat trying at times...I have the 11"-19" adjustable Baggershield which works great for me and do not plan to change at this point...Does anyone that may have the Cobra pipes, and the Madstad, windshield still have this drone or does the design of the Madstad reduce or eliminate this drone?...I really do not want to spend money for another shield and still have the same issues, if this drone has anything at all to do with the turbulence created by or not created by an aftermarket shield.....

[Scotrod]

Clash said: "set about removing the stock windshield."

I tend slip into speed-read mode during certain reading situations! :icon_wink:

[F6BPDX]

Well, count me among the Madstad owners, just got off the phone with Chris and ordered a set up which should be here next week.

I had read this thread a few times and wanted to clarify what would be sent before it got shipped so here is the rundown from Chris as of today, as was mentioned the F6B package now ships standard with a 10" Base plate and not the 8" that it used to when it was first in production. It also ships with the shield that has the shallow bottom contour. Good news for me, since both of those are what I wanted.

I was unsure if I wanted the 11" or 13" shield and Chris was a bit on the fence, but leaning toward the 13", as well since being 6' I fall at sort of the middle ground of the two. He of course told me that I had the option of exchanging the shield but I felt like unless I got to try both back to back I would always wonder if I made the right choice. I chose to order the 13" system and then also an 11" replacement shield. Whichever one I decide on I will keep and the other will get returned (or sold here if someone wants it).

Now the hard parts, waiting for arrival and trying to keep the wife from beating me for ordering more chit. :catfight:

[bobbyf6b]

Did anyone compare Madstad to Windbender?

[1951vbs]

Did anyone compare Madstad to Windbender?
:yes:
I would love to see that. IMO the wind bender is better looking (probably because it retains the stock rake) and it has electric adjustment for fine tuning in different conditions.

[d-shark]

Did anyone compare Madstad to Windbender?

I researched the Windbender and Madstad before my purchase. I could not find anyone on the internet who had ridden behind both at that time. Also at that time Windbender was developing their rake kit to allow adjustment of the shield rake. Rake adjustment was built into the original Madstad brackets from day one. In the end I went Madstad because I thought their bracket system looked more elegant than the Windbender with there rake kit installed.

I have read comments / reviews from a few with the Wendbender's that have the rake kit and they all seem to agree that adding rake adjustment provides additional wind protection. I too would like to hear from someone that has ridden behind both.

[Scotrod]

The Wife's Madstad arrived yesterday. 13" Med Gray. (I can see why folks like the Med Gray,,, The light gray is pretty light)

The base, by itself, not mounted, measures 12 3/4 at the widest point (center) Will have to see what it measures after mounting,,,,

$287.13 shipped.

Not really apples to apples comparing it to an electric Windbender,,,

$301 - $363 for the 'bender, and another ~$400~ for the electric option,,, (Shipping included)

Perhaps a just a Windbender with the optional Rake kit ($180-$200 option) would be comparable in functionality with the Madstad.

So, I guess that leaves some to wonder,,,, is the ability to adjust the rake not really needed????

As an owner of a shield that moves up and down as well as tilts forward or back, I'd say the rake makes a huge difference in 'fine tuning'.

Are there any Madstad owners here that feel like their rake adjustment is 'unnecessary/serves no purpose'?

[chipmaker]

Are there any Madstad owners here that feel like their rake adjustment is 'unnecessary/serves no purpose'?

Not me, I used height and rake to find my sweet spot. But I am pretty close to Madstad's recomended angle.

[hiflyer]

Not me, I used height and rake to find my sweet spot. But I am pretty close to Madstad's recomended angle.

I installed the Madstad with the rake in the position in which it was shipped. First ride, all I did was adjust the height, and wa la, perfect. Subsequent rides, I played with the rake, and ultimately went back to manufacturer's shipped setting. I am 100% satisfied! This system is quiet, and offers less buffeting than the other 3 (yep, that's right, 3) shields that I have tried. Haven't ridden in the rain yet, but I know that's coming. ;)

[opas ride]

Curious as to what were the other 3 shields you tried before the Madstad???

[hiflyer]

Curious as to what were the other 3 shields you tried before the Madstad???

Cee Bailey 15" light grey tint w/air vent

Slipstreamer 11" drk smoke

Honda tall touring

[d-shark]

Curious as to what were the other 3 shields you tried before the Madstad???

Opas has a real good question which kind of gets to the real point: How much better is the Madstad wind protection compared to a conventional shield? You really have to ride behind the Madstad before you can fully appreciate the difference. I had the 11" Baggershield which at the time I thought was an 8 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Now that I have the Madstad, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate both as follows:

11" Madstad Rating = 10
11" BaggerShield Rating = 5


Perhaps others with the Madstad can share their 1 to 10 rating of the Madstad compared to their previous make & model of shield on the F6B?

[Scotrod]

You really have to ride behind the Madstad before you can fully appreciate the difference.

Yep. Wife an I switched bikes a couple weeks ago so she could see the difference. She was 'perfectly happy' with her Baggershield Convertible,,, until she road my bike... :icon_biggrin:

I'd go;

Buffeting:

Madstad 15" = 9.5
Baggershield convertible in the 'full up' position. (20.5" above rubber strip) ~8~

Wind noise:

Madstad 15" = 9.5
Baggershield convertible in the 'full up' position. (20.5" above rubber strip) ~6-7~

[opas ride]

Good answers on the issues of windshields...Yes, I have the 11"-19" adjustable Baggershield and it is great for me as little wind noise and minimum air flow is important to me due to bad allergies, and at 74 hearing loss is very critical to me..For whatever reasons I cannot deal with ear plugs and have tried many, plus I am a little claustrophobic and just can't deal with full face helmets...If those that have the Mastad feel it is that much better than whatever is out there, I will maybe give it try next year...Do not want to "piss money down a rat hole", so to speak, on extra windshields, but will see if I can find someone with the Madstad on their bike and try it.....Thanks

[hiflyer]

Cee Bailey 15" light grey tint w/air vent = 5 . CB is quality construction, but not as quiet

Slipstreamer 11" drk smoke = 3 . Looks great but too much buffet and noise

Honda tall touring = 5 . Too tall and noisy with my full face flipper


Madstad = 10. plus I look the "technical" looks. Quiet, clean, and I look way over it.

[chipmaker]

Ths morning I was riding @ 37F with my FF on, but visor open on the freeway 90% of the time. The Madstad really works, my other screen was stocker and CB 13".

[Clash]

Wow - no wind, snow, ice or rain just a fantastic 50 degree cloudless day.

Time to unleash the F6B and test out the Madstad on the local autobahn.

I agree with 1951vbs that the Madstad may not the most elegant shield but I'm wiling to compromise to reduce the wind noise and enjoy listening to my feel good tunes.

Long story short I have the 11" shield, have it on the lowest setting and couldn't be happier with the result.:yes:
Super accessory for a great bike.


Song of the day.
Its a beautiful day - U2

[Scotrod]

may not the most elegant

I'm far from elegant myself, but that doesn't stop me from riding! :icon_biggrin:

Quite a difference over OEM, eh? :icon_wink:

[F6BPDX]

According to UPS I will have mine tomorrow. :041:

Hey Scotrod, what ever came of the base on the wife's bike? Did the 12 3/4" become 10" like I was told would be shipped.

[Scotrod]

Long story on Wifes base.

Went to install the base on the bike and the holes were off just a fraction. Wouldn't fit w/o force and forcing arced it up on one side.

Laid the garnish in the installed position and the base was about ~8~ inches above the weather strip.

Took pics of the misalignment and pics of the measurements of the bases above the weather strip on both bikes and sent them to Chris.

Per Chris,, ~8~ above weather strip = 10 inch base (Heck if I know! :shrug:)

Chris is sending a new base to use in lieu of the one that apparently slipped while being drilled. (Did not have to RMA the first one. :yes: Not that I really have a use for the old base, but it's a hassle to wrap / ship stuff back)

New base to deliver tmrw. Wife is very anxious to get her 'stad as she still remembers how quiet it was when she rode my bike.

**********

Wifes Madstad came with a 13 inch shield,,, She wasn't using it (heh heh!) so I 'borrowed' it for a day. Switched back to my 15 the next day.

For me and my set up, the 15 works better than the 13. 13 is too short. Sliding it up a lot is not near as effective as a 15 slid up 'a couple inches' off the garnish. I do feel that the 13 will be 'just right' for the Wife.

[F6BPDX]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X88dw7pUUso/UmgKXLnrZiI/AAAAAAAAAfU/G0-VIAXUuQ4/w649-h865-no/IMG_20131023_124040.jpg

Scotrod, as you can see from D Sharks photo Chris is giving you a line of bull. If my base doesn't wind up being 10" from gasket (like I specifically called and requested) I am going to come unglued a little. I took the extra effort to request it, and was assured that the 10" base was now the "standard" and no need to specify.

Guess we find out tomorrow...

[Scotrod]

My shield measurements are from the upper edge of weatherstrip. Looks about like a 9 3/16 in the pic above using my method. Maybe 10 ish at the bottom of the gasket.

Dshark was one of the earliest owners, and we believe it might have been possible he rec'd a GL base instead of an F6B base. :shrug:

Bruce B got his shortly after Dshark, and he had the shorter base. (Pics in this thread)

My bases so far have been somewhere around ~8~,, maybe a touch above 8,, from top of strip to top of shield.

If memory serves, that's about the same as Bruces 1st base,,, :shrug:

[d-shark]

Scotrod, as you can see from D Sharks photo Chris is giving you a line of bull. If my base doesn't wind up being 10" from gasket (like I specifically called and requested) I am going to come unglued a little. I took the extra effort to request it, and was assured that the 10" base was now the "standard" and no need to specify.

Guess we find out tomorrow...

F6BPDX: I wrote extensively on this subject and spoke with Mark at Madstad several times hoping to save others here all the grief I went through shipping shields back and fourth. Here are a few points that may help you as you communicate with Madstad.

First of all I learned I had to tell the nice folks at Madstad what I wanted and not simply hope that they would send me something that works. So if you feel strongly about the Base and or Shield you want then insist on it and they will accommodate you as they did me. Keep in mind that Madstad does not have an F6B to do road testing on so it's up to us.

Turns out Madstad shipped me the GL1800 base by mistake (took them 2 weeks to figure out exactly what they had shipped me which was not real encouraging). I mounted it on my F6B and they were surprised it fit (I did use a larger diameter washer to capture the center mounting slot machined into the Base). You can see a comparison between the two Bases at the Madstad site if you go to to the GL1800 page and compare photos to the F6B page.

The GL1800 Base is not only taller it is also wider which I think is very important. I have the 11" shield and can adjust the Shield Full Up with no loss in wind protection (in fact wind protection may be a little better in the up position). As a reminder I'm 6'-2" tall. Scotrod states his wind protection begins to deteriorate when approaching the Full Up position. Mark at Madstad also indicated to me in a phone conversation that wind protection would deteriorate if the Shield were adjusted too high relative to the Base. Based on Scotrod's experience I don't doubt this is true with the shorter and narrower Base installed.

I can tell you without any doubt that with the GL1800 Base mounted on my F6B there is no reduction in wind protection when the Shield is adjusted full up. I have also stated that calm air extends well beyond each shoulder to the left and right as well as good protection around the hands. I think the added height & width are responsible.

I'm on a business trip right now but when I get back I'll take some better photos of the GL1800 Base on my F6B. However if you compare closely the photos I have posted to those by others you can get a good idea of the dimensional differences. I think it's the added Base Height & Width combined that work so well on my bike.

[Bruce B]

My shield measurements are from the upper edge of weatherstrip. Looks about like a 9 3/16 in the pic above using my method. Maybe 10 ish at the bottom of the gasket.

Dshark was one of the earliest owners, and we believe it might have been possible he rec'd a GL base instead of an F6B base. :shrug:

Bruce B got his shortly after Dshark, and he had the shorter base. (Pics in this thread)

My bases so far have been somewhere around ~8~,, maybe a touch above 8,, from top of strip to top of shield.

If memory serves, that's about the same as Bruces 1st base,,, :shrug:

Dshark was first to get the Madstad and I was number two. He got the high base and I got the lower (8 inches) one. Long story short, after some conversation and tinkering with Mark at Madstad, I went to a mid height base, a 9 incher. I went with that since dshark liked his 10 incher and I'm about 4 inches shorter than he is. I'm totally pleased with the unit. My 13" CB was OK but this is great. It does now appear that all the new Madstad owners are very happy with the 10 inch base so I'd guess I would be too. It's only an inch higher than what I have.

[F6BPDX]

F6BPDX: I wrote extensively on this subject and spoke with Mark at Madstad several times hoping to save others here all the grief I went through shipping shields back and fourth. Here are a few points that may help you as you communicate with Madstad.

First of all I learned I had to tell the nice folks at Madstad what I wanted and not simply hope that they would send me something that works. So if you feel strongly about the Base and or Shield you want then insist on it and they will accommodate you as they did me. Keep in mind that Madstad does not have an F6B to do road testing on so it's up to us.

Turns out Madstad shipped me the GL1800 base by mistake (took them 2 weeks to figure out exactly what they had shipped me which was not real encouraging). I mounted it on my F6B and they were surprised it fit (I did use a larger diameter washer to capture the center mounting slot machined into the Base). You can see a comparison between the two Bases at the Madstad site if you go to to the GL1800 page and compare photos to the F6B page.

The GL1800 Base is not only taller it is also wider which I think is very important. I have the 11" s7hield and can adjust the Shield Full Up with no loss in wind protection (in fact wind protection may be a little better in the up position). As a reminder I'm 6'-2" tall. Scotrod states his wind protection begins to deteriorate when approaching the Full Up position. Mark at Madstad also indicated to me in a phone conversation that wind protection would deteriorate if the Shield were adjusted too high relative to the Base. Based on Scotrod's experience I don't doubt this is true with the shorter and narrower Base installed.

I can tell you without any doubt that with the GL1800 Base mounted on my F6B there is no reduction in wind protection when the Shield is adjusted full up. I have also stated that calm air extends well beyond each shoulder to the left and right as well as good protection around the hands. I think the added height & width are responsible.

I'm on a business trip right now but when I get back I'll take some better photos of the GL1800 Base on my F6B. However if you compare closely the photos I have posted to those by others you can get a good idea of the dimensional differences. I think it's the added Base Height & Width combined that work so well on my bike.

I have read your reviews and was convinced by them that I wanted the 10" base. I called and spoke to Chris and referenced both you and this thread and was very specific that I wanted the 10" base and not the 8" base. I was assured by Chris that this was the new standard and was always shipped for the F6B now. If I had just ordered on the website then I wouldnt be upset. Being that I called, based off of your research, and specifically requested something I am going to be highly dissapointed if that was all for naught.

[Scotrod]

I admit I'm a bit perplexed at how Madstad 'numerically identifies' their F6B bases.

I know aftermarket Goldwing shields (baggershields) are identified by different numbers (heights) than the F6b shields even though the end result is ~the same~ height. (The baggershield 11-19 for the F6B is, for all intents and purposes, the same overall height as the baggershield 17 - 25 for the GL's)

FWIW, I'm under the assumption I'll be receiving another base with the same dimensions as the last one. If something different shows up, I'll be sure to let everyone know.

[Scotrod]

I can tell you without any doubt that with the GL1800 Base mounted on my F6B there is no reduction in wind protection when the Shield is adjusted full up. I have also stated that calm air extends well beyond each shoulder to the left and right as well as good protection around the hands. I think the added height & width are responsible.

I am in no way trying to reflect negatively upon or discredit your findings, but have you tried a shorter base?

I can see the reasoning behind your thoughts. Just wish I could 'see for myself' and somehow quantify the difference by actually trying both.

It's also unclear if the mirror mounted wind wings I (used to) have mounted to my 6 might act as good or better in deflecting wind away from the rider's area than a larger base.

(Took 'em off as I had so much air from behind trying to rush up into the 'bubble' at super-slab speeds. Felt like someone was leaning against my upper back/shoulders/helmet)


Seems like there is a limitless combination of variables in our quest! :cheers:

[Scotrod]

FWIW, I'm under the assumption I'll be receiving another base with the same dimensions as the last one.

My assumptions were correct. The new base is the same size. It lined up and installed just like it should.

Wife is very anxious to test it out! :yes:

[F6BPDX]

So my set up arrived today, a quick test run leads me to believe I will be happy once dialed.

Now, that being said, I didn't get what I ordered.

I was VERY specific, to the point of repeating myself several times, that I wanted the taller base which measures 10" from the bottom of the gasket and not the shorter one. I mentioned that this was most likely a regular GL1800 base. I made a pest of myself in an effort to get what I wanted. Well guess what? Its not 10". Its 8" to the top gasket or 8.8" to the bottom of the gasket.

I know Madstad would send me the other base if I called and bitched, but I shouldn't need to, I put in the effort ahead of time. Oh well such is life and hopefully it winds up being a non issue.

[chipmaker]

So my set up arrived today, a quick test run leads me to believe I will be happy once dialed.

Now, that being said, I didn't get what I ordered.

I was VERY specific, to the point of repeating myself several times, that I wanted the taller base which measures 10" from the bottom of the gasket and not the shorter one. I mentioned that this was most likely a regular GL1800 base. I made a pest of myself in an effort to get what I wanted. Well guess what? Its not 10". Its 8" to the top gasket or 8.8" to the bottom of the gasket.

I know Madstad would send me the other base if I called and bitched, but I shouldn't need to, I put in the effort ahead of time. Oh well such is life and hopefully it winds up being a non issue.

Sounds like you have the same base as mine. I'm very happy with my set-up. My suggestion is, think about this less, and enjoy your ride more...

[F6BPDX]

Sounds like you have the same base as mine. I'm very happy with my set-up. My suggestion is, think about this less, and enjoy your ride more...

Chip I think ultimatly all will work fine with the 9" base, I just don't like being assured of something and getting something else.

I will get more time to dial stuff in tomorrow, then all should be well.

[d-shark]

I admit I'm a bit perplexed at how Madstad 'numerically identifies' their F6B bases.

Scotrod: In my conversations with Mark at Madstad I coined the phrase 10" Base and referred Mark to this thread to see my photo with tape measure showing 10 inches from top of Base to the Bottom of the faring gasket. Mark made it clear to me at that time the height of their Base was not referenced from the faring gasket (in their vernacular).

I suggested to Mark that they (Madstad) should adopt the faring gasket as a reference line when communicating with F6B owners since this is the most meaningful and easiest reference point for owners.


Took pics of the misalignment and pics of the measurements of the bases above the weather strip on both bikes and sent them to Chris.

Per Chris,, ~8~ above weather strip = 10 inch base (Heck if I know!

Appears from your measurements Madstad still can't accurately reference Base height relative to the faring gasket? I had hoped your wife's shield kit would include the same Base as I have so you could ride both. Guess I have a One-Off and we are unlikely to get a direct comparison from anyone?

d-shark's bike:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X88dw7pUUso/UmgKXLnrZiI/AAAAAAAAAfU/G0-VIAXUuQ4/w649-h865-no/IMG_20131023_124040.jpg

[hiflyer]

Appears from your measurements Madstad still can't accurately reference Base height relative to the faring gasket? I had hoped your wife's shield kit would include the same Base as I have so you could ride both. Guess I have a One-Off and we are unlikely to get a direct comparison from anyone?


When I ordered mine, I told them specifically the base I wanted. I didn't get what I ordered, it appears. Today is the first time I put a tape to it, and my base is 1" shorter than yours. It works well for me, but now I'm wondering how much better it might be if I had gotten the base that I ordered, based on d-sharks informational posts. I too had a base that was slightly off on the drilled holes, made it work, but can't understand how they could let this happen. I am totally satisfied with the performance, but these other issues: getting what you ordered, and drilled holes, shouldn't be an issue. Come on Madstad, you guys claim to be engineers, get it together.

[Scotrod]

FWIW, Here's mine:
3755

Wife is VERY happy with her 'Stad. She really likes the big reduction in wind noise. :yes:

[F6BPDX]

FWIW, Here's mine:
3755

Wife is VERY happy with her 'Stad. She really likes the big reduction in wind noise. :yes:

Identical to mine. And I am assuming this is the "medium height" that Bruce referenced, which to Madstads credit IS bigger than what they originally shipped. It just isn't as tall as I asked for.

[hiflyer]

FWIW, Here's mine:
3755

Wife is VERY happy with her 'Stad. She really likes the big reduction in wind noise. :yes:

That's the same measurement I got, and since it works so well, I won't request a taller base.

[Scotrod]

As 'harsh' as it sounds, unless someone has tested different height bases on the same bike under identical conditions, who really knows that there is a quantifiable difference?

And when would that difference come into play?

Example,,, Bruce, I believe, is the only one (I think) who went to a base ~1~ inch taller than what he originally had,,, All the rest of us, I believe, are running the same height base we have always had.

And, just using Bruce as an example, what base he likes the best may not be the base that works for someone taller/smaller/wider - whatever.

I'm sure that a base 'several inches' higher would have some different characteristics than another, but unless I'm mistaken, there is no more than about ~1 1/4~ inch difference in height between the all the F6B bases currently in use. Those like mine, ~8~ inches of exposed base from top of shield to top of rubber strip or the one like Dshark w/ ~9 1/4~ inches of exposed base from top of shield to top of rubber strip (10 to bottom of strip)

Anybody with less or more? :shrug:

[F6BPDX]

As 'harsh' as it sounds, unless someone has tested different height bases on the same bike under identical conditions, who really knows that there is a quantifiable difference?

And when would that difference come into play?

Example,,, Bruce, I believe, is the only one (I think) who went to a base ~1~ inch taller than what he originally had,,, All the rest of us, I believe, are running the same height base we have always had.

And, just using Bruce as an example, what base he likes the best may not be the base that works for someone taller/smaller/wider - whatever.

I'm sure that a base 'several inches' higher would have some different characteristics than another, but unless I'm mistaken, there is no more than about ~1 1/4~ inch difference in height between the all the F6B bases currently in use. Those like mine, ~8~ inches of exposed base from top of shield to top of rubber strip or the one like Dshark w/ ~9 1/4~ inches of exposed base from top of shield to top of rubber strip (10 to bottom of strip)

Anybody with less or more? :shrug:

I think you are correct that Bruce is the only one to try both. Also the initial difference was over 2", the base we have now must be the mid height since as you said it's only 1" different.

I do think it will wind up being a non issue, but what isn't a non issue is the ability to fulfill client orders with what they requested/ordered. If Madstad is going to allow special requests then they need to deliver, and at a minimum they need to know what they are shipping.

I realize they dont have an F6B for testing but they have sold enough at this point to have accurate measurements from clients. All they had to do was cross reference their measurements with what Bruce and d-shark had to know what a 10" or 8" was.

[Bruce B]

Personal opinion on base heights. The base height probably isn't all that important, as long as it's high enough so that your windshield, adjusted to your preference, has plenty of space at the bottom to allow adequate airflow between it and the base. I suspect that Madstad could supply the 9 or 10 inch base exclusively and things would be just fine. Rode behind my Madstad on Saturday in temps starting at 37 and going to 70 degrees by the afternoon. Comfort all the way.

[F6BPDX]

So it seems after doing a few test runs and riding around yesterday the base plate is going to be fine (no surprise to anyone really). Also I think the 13" shield is going to be my sizing of choice. I had them ship both the 11 and the 13 and ran the 11 first. I could make it work fine by having it at 60deg and about 3/4" -1" from full up, however this seemed to let a bit of air turbulence hit me in the shoulders since there were gaps formed between the bottom of the top shield and the base. By going to the 13" it allows me to run it about 1" from full down and that turbulence is gone. Riding at freeway speeds behind the Madstad really is amazing.

I do have a "glitch" that nobody here had mentioned which is a whistle at about 50mph and faster. I thought it was possibly air rushing past the bracket holes but after some online research it seems to be air rushing between the base and the fairing. I have some of the compressible foam weather stripping on the way which should fix the issue.

Overall I am quite happy, and am looking forward to putting lots of miles behind this setup.

[hiflyer]

"I do have a "glitch" that nobody here had mentioned which is a whistle at about 50mph and faster. I thought it was possibly air rushing past the bracket holes but after some online research it seems to be air rushing between the base and the fairing. I have some of the compressible foam weather stripping on the way which should fix the issue"

I've got the same whistle, did not notice it, until I rode with my open face helmet. I'll probably do the weatherstrip thing myself, as I went on an extended ride yesterday and noticed the back side of the base was covered in dust from the air coming up between the base and the dash gap. The weatherstrip should eleviate both issues.

[Scotrod]

Hmm,

Lotsa dust on the back of my base,,, I have tons of weather strip in the closet,,,,

I have a very faint whistle as well, but thought it was my helmet,,,

Hmmm,,,

[F6BPDX]

Did what I thought was a very thorough job of adding foam weather stripping but still have a whistle at and above 45-50mph. Maybe I just need to listen to music louder.

Also I have now gone back and forth between the 11" and 13" shields a few times and have come to the conclusion that the 11" actually works best. 1.25" up from full down at 63* puts 99% of the wind over my head. Looks pretty badass too if ya ask me. .batman-smilie.

[hiflyer]

Did what I thought was a very thorough job of adding foam weather stripping but still have a whistle at and above 45-50mph. Maybe I just need to listen to music louder.

Also I have now gone back and forth between the 11" and 13" shields a few times and have come to the conclusion that the 11" actually works best. 1.25" up from full down at 63* puts 99% of the wind over my head. Looks pretty badass too if ya ask me. .batman-smilie.

I'm glad I read this. I'm tired of popping the front off. Agree with you on everything, especially the BA part. I have the 11" shield.

[Scotrod]

I believe I'll try sliding a piece of WS down into the slot from above,,, Help with the dusty base scenario.

[Scotrod]

Also, FWIW, I took the wifes 6 for a short trip to the carwash the other day w/o a helmet. There is a whistle that I could hear at ~20+~ mph.

Started thinkin,,, :yikes:

About the only thing that looks like it could match the profile of a common whistle may be the Madstad brackets. Slots/holes etc perpendicular to the flow of air,,, :shrug:

Hmm,,, Might take a shop towel or something and wrap the brackets and 'test' (very briefly) sans helmet,,,

(I'm not a hardcore ATGATT kinda guy, but I'm very much a helmet advocate.)

[F6BPDX]

Also, FWIW, I took the wifes 6 for a short trip to the carwash the other day w/o a helmet. There is a whistle that I could hear at ~20+~ mph.

Started thinkin,,, :yikes:

About the only thing that looks like it could match the profile of a common whistle may be the Madstad brackets. Slots/holes etc perpendicular to the flow of air,,, :shrug:

Hmm,,, Might take a shop towel or something and wrap the brackets and 'test' (very briefly) sans helmet,,,

(I'm not a hardcore ATGATT kinda guy, but I'm very much a helmet advocate.)

That was my initial thought as well but then research (albeit not F6B specific) led me to the weather stripping info. That doesn't seem to have worked so I am interested to hear if you find that it is the brackets.

[F6BPDX]

Had a little time today so I masking taped over all the holes and slots on the brackets.... still have a whistle.:icon_doh:

I did find one thing that worked well though, Arch Enemy's Anthems of Rebellion played loudly made it so there was no whistle. :icon_mrgreen:

[Scotrod]

Some pics of a 15 inch light gray and a 13 inch medium gray:

3823

3822

3821

[dickiedeals]

My questions about this setup or should I say concerns is the width. Is this wide enough to stop shoulder and ear buffeting? Does the wind go up over your head? More so is RAIN. How does this perform in the rain. Looks like you would get blasted in the face with water. Living in Florida and riding daily you get rained on a lot to put it mildly. I've ridden 550 miles with it raining so hard you could hardly see your front wheel. How would this setup perform? Have any of you ridden in the rain with this configuration?.......Dickie

[1951vbs]

My questions about this setup or should I say concerns is the width. Is this wide enough to stop shoulder and ear buffeting? Does the wind go up over your head? More so is RAIN. How does this perform in the rain. Looks like you would get blasted in the face with water. Living in Florida and riding daily you get rained on a lot to put it mildly. I've ridden 550 miles with it raining so hard you could hardly see your front wheel. How would this setup perform? Have any of you ridden in the rain with this configuration?.......Dickie

Dickie, D-Shark posted this a little earlier. (Looks to answer both the width answer and rain protection):

Just finished a 2,300 mile round trip from IL to FL and back. I was really impressed with the cold weather wind protection offered by my Madstad. I wore a Bell Pit Boss half helmet with zip-in neck curtain that covers the ears and back of the neck. My head was always warm, exposed skin did not get cold (to my surprise) and eyes did not tear from the cold.

On the way down I started off at 28 degrees and rode most of the day in the low 30's, 12 hours total. Last day on the way back started out at 42 degrees and steadily dropped over 9 hours to 19 degrees for the last hour. I had heated grips, Powerlet heated glove liners and heated jacket liner. Hands were always nice and warm with liners and Klim Powercross gortex gloves. At 19 degrees the heated jacket liner kept me warm enough. No heat on the feet which did get chilly due to the 9 hour exposure but not painfully so.

I had plenty of time to take note of where air was moving and where it was not. My 10" Madstad Base is 26 inches wide from edge to edge and I think the extra width of the 10" Base really helps to create a wide swath of calm air. Air is calm well beyond each shoulder to the left and right (and I'm a big guy). Also noted that air was very calm around the hand grips. Wind out by the bar end weights and about 3 inches below the grips but none in the area around the grips where my hands rested.

First day coming back rode through a couple of downpours on the Interstate and the amount of water hitting me in the face was comparable to a traditional windshield that you would be looking over. Did not get a chance to adjust the shield up to where I would be looking through it since I was pushing to make time.


I'm sure we will get more reports from others that ride in the rain.

[F6BPDX]

My questions about this setup or should I say concerns is the width. Is this wide enough to stop shoulder and ear buffeting? Does the wind go up over your head? More so is RAIN. How does this perform in the rain. Looks like you would get blasted in the face with water. Living in Florida and riding daily you get rained on a lot to put it mildly. I've ridden 550 miles with it raining so hard you could hardly see your front wheel. How would this setup perform? Have any of you ridden in the rain with this configuration?.......Dickie

Living in Portland,OR I am sure I will have answers to this soon. I will report back once I do.

[d-shark]

Living in Portland,OR I am sure I will have answers to this soon. I will report back once I do.

F6BPDX: With regard to Base width I'm curious as to the width of your Base. When sitting on the bike measuring left to right in a straight line (at the lowest and widest point) my Base is 26 inches wide. My base has like winglets that extend left & right beyond the slot in the faring that the lower portion of the Base enters. From the photos of others that I have seen it looks like their Bases are not as wide?

In any even I'm curious about the Base width that Madstad is shipping. I have not had any issue with helmet buffeting and or the width of the calm air pocket that a couple have mentioned.

I've been on the road for work but will post some good photos of my Base next weeks (with dimensions) for anyone interested.

[hiflyer]

[QUOTE=Scotrod;20076]Some pics of a 15 inch light gray and a 13 inch medium gray:

Thanks for the pics Scott, I think I am going to order a medium tint to go with my dark tint.

[Scotrod]

N.P. HiFly!

The Lt gray is pretty 'light',,, Mostly ~invisible~, but there are times in certain light when,,,,,,,,,, believe it or not,,, it truly is light gray!

LOL!!

Memphis Shades has a 'solar' color that I really like,,, As close to invisible as I've had.

The med gray does a better job of 'disguising' the brackets than the light gray.

FWIW, I stood my 15 up a bit straighter this weekend to match the angle of the 13. Can't say for certain that it made much difference, but 'looks' perhaps a bit better. :shrug:

[F6BPDX]

F6BPDX: With regard to Base width I'm curious as to the width of your Base. When sitting on the bike measuring left to right in a straight line (at the lowest and widest point) my Base is 26 inches wide. My base has like winglets that extend left & right beyond the slot in the faring that the lower portion of the Base enters. From the photos of others that I have seen it looks like their Bases are not as wide?

In any even I'm curious about the Base width that Madstad is shipping. I have not had any issue with helmet buffeting and or the width of the calm air pocket that a couple have mentioned.

I've been on the road for work but will post some good photos of my Base next weeks (with dimensions) for anyone interested.

My base shield is as wide as the top edge of the shelter, but no wider. And measure 8" from top of gasket to top of base (8.75" to bottom of gasket).

I am pretty close to being done with the Madstad to be honest. I think it does some things well, but overall I feel like I am not satisfied enough to justify the costs. The whistle I get and can't find to solve (and that is after masking off the brackets, the two "nostril" inlets, doing weather stripping, masking the corners where the base meets the dash, etc), and the amount of air that hits directly in my eyes from the base shield are driving me a bit nuts. :banghead: I am probably going to throw my old shield back on and see if I have a "holy $&*# this sucks!" moment, and if not I think the Madstad will go back in favor of something more traditional. :shrug:

[F6BPDX]

So last night I went through and pulled the Madstad system off the bike, reinstalled my previous 16" Tulsa, and then boxed up the Madstad intending to send it back today.

My ride in to work did remind me of how much better life is behind the Madstad but that whistle is killing me, something dawned on me that I didn't try and I am wondering if Scotrod or someone else that also has a whistle can give a shot. As I was taking apart the Madstad to box it up I noticed dirt under the brackets where they mount to the base and it dawned on me that neither side of the bracket mounts air tight to the base or shield. I have exhausted every other place a whistle could logically be coming from and this seems like it may fit the bill as air rushing up the base would be in the perfect location to run between these points.

So can one of you guys try either blocking that area off with tape or putting something between it and the shield to see if that solves the issue? I will do it myself if need be but I am really tired of swapping shields at this point. :banghead:

[Scotrod]

Anything's possible on the whistle! Mine is so very faint that it doesn't really bother me,,, With a Full Face helmet, I only hear it with the visor down tight/all the vents closed. Open the visor and it's gone. SO, thought it was the helmet,,, Even though both my RF1100 and Qwest make the same noise. (same shield system)

The slow / short ride w/o a helmet is when I heard a whistle as well. (I might have 2 whistles)

What helmet do you wear? Do you get the same whistle w/different helmets?

[F6BPDX]

What helmet do you wear? Do you get the same whistle w/different helmets?

Currently a Scorpion EXO500, I have a total POS Speed and Strength as well that I wore yesterday but it fits so poorly it was tough to tell for sure if I could still hear the whistle over the rest of the noise or just thought I could. I do have a Qwest in the mail as we speak which should be here Thursday.

On the Scorpion I notice it mostly with the shield UP, but it is still there with it down. I have tried moving my head in all manner and can't get it to change.

I think I will have to put the Madstad back on tonight and test my theory. HOPEFULLY it works. If not then I will see if my whistle changes or goes away once I have my Qwest on Thursday afternoon.

I really wanted to just put the Madstad on, adjust it, and love it. This whistle business is making me crazy, but the system works so well otherwise that I feel like I have to track it down.

[ghostrider]

I had an annoying whistle also that I finally discovered after listening to it on a long trip and decided to investigate. It was coming from the cavity at the end of the clutch lever(the little hole under the ball at the end of the lever). I had inadvertently changed the angle of the lever when I put my Ram mount on for my GPS. The air hit it just right and made a whistle sound that was hard to detect exactly where it was coming from. So I readjusted the lever and presto! It was gone. :041:

[F6BPDX]

I had an annoying whistle also that I finally discovered after listening to it on a long trip and decided to investigate. It was coming from the cavity at the end of the clutch lever(the little hole under the ball at the end of the lever). I had inadvertently changed the angle of the lever when I put my Ram mount on for my GPS. The air hit it just right and made a whistle sound that was hard to detect exactly where it was coming from. So I readjusted the lever and presto! It was gone. :041:

I haven't moved the levers but I suppose it's possible that the base of the madstad directs air in a different way. If all else fails I will electrical tape the lever and see if it works just for grins.

[ghostrider]

Yes, as my feeble mind remembers now, I also put some thick gasket sealer to fill the hole.

As you ride put your finger over that hole and see what happens.

[Scotrod]

If this changes my 'whistle', I'll be stumped, amazed, and happy all at the same time! LOL! :icon_biggrin:

[d-shark]

I had what I thought was a whistle also, not continuous but intermittent. I realized when cleaning the Shield one day that if I applied pressure fore & aft to the top of the Shield Base that it would squeak. The Base is pressed up against the Dash and when the Base flexes from pressure the friction causes a Squeak which sounds like a whistle when riding. Took the bike out for a ride and was able to reproduce the Whistle by pushing fore & aft on the top edge of the Base.

I have a spray bottle of Armour-All and sprayed some down into the area between the Dash and Shield Base to reduce friction between the two. This has eliminated 80% of the Squeak (Whistle) on my bike to where I don't notice it. I suppose the Squeak (Whistle) was probably there with my BaggerShield but with the added wind noise could not hear it.

My guess is that the fit between Dash and Base could vary a good bit between bikes since the Dash is not a precision part. Don't know but rounding off any sharp dash edges that may be contacting the Shield Base may help? In my case the Armour-All application made it a non-issue for me.

[d-shark]

I spoke to Mark at Madstad today about a few on the forum here that have some buffeting that I am not experiencing. Mark provided the attached drawing showing the F6B Base they are currently shipping (In Red) overlaid on the GL1800 Base I have installed (In Black). I asked Mark to manufacture an F6B Base that has the same upper profile as mine, basically where the lower red lines intersect the vertical black lines everything from that point up will follow the black outline.

Mark is going to ship that to me some time next week. When I receive the base I'm going to remove my front faring cover and confirm that fit and profile are identical to what I have installed. Assuming everything is identical I will be looking for a volunteer that is willing to install this Base and provide us with an objective comparison between the two. I was thinking Scotrod might be a good candidate since he has 2 Madstads installed on two different bikes and access to two different shield heights. If Scotrod does not have the time then perhaps someone else would step up?

I will ship the Base free of charge and if you like it you can keep it courtesy of Madstad Engineering. Just give us a good written comparison. If you don't like it then all I ask is that you ship it to someone else interested in testing it.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=1e90f4208e&view=fimg&th=143ea2d0f66f44cf&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ-4mi1hqb9tswu9VfSPT9xZ_7vX3R70aNuTDbkhEhvBaN42ZOMqi VxIO5Qo0OuhBunYmw1fcaQI4LAOJ-qjobsbdQrPvr2RQ2kJ8rizv7ltB-SH08masrB_RZM&ats=1391203261513&rm=143ea2d0f66f44cf&zw&sz=w1808-h808

[Scotrod]

I currently have my Sis in from out of state and the weather here sux,,,

[opas ride]

Hope you Madstad guys can find a solution to these issues...I will stick with my Baggershield as it works great for me and I can ride and enjoy without worry...Just my opinion, but it seems to me there are lot of issues here for just a windshield...Is it really that much better than others???..I wonder....

[d-shark]

Hope you Madstad guys can find a solution to these issues...I will stick with my Baggershield as it works great for me and I can ride and enjoy without worry...Just my opinion, but it seems to me there are lot of issues here for just a windshield...Is it really that much better than others???..I wonder....

I had the BaggerShield and thought it was pretty good. I purchased the Madstad because I was curious and I can tell you there is NO comparison, it is not even close.

I know a few are having some issues that I'm not having. Currently I'm the only one running the GL1800 style Base so that could be part of the difference ???

[Scotrod]

Wife and I both had convertible Baggershields. Now we both have Madstads. We both know what we prefer. Our Baggershields are for sale.

The 'issues' I am having are so small its more of an observance than an issue.

Before the wife got her Madstad, She and I switched bikes. (Mine-Madstad. Hers-Baggershield convertible @ 19 inches)

After ~10~ miles, I was MORE than happy to get off her 6 and back on mine!!! LOL!!!

[F6BPDX]

Hope you Madstad guys can find a solution to these issues...I will stick with my Baggershield as it works great for me and I can ride and enjoy without worry...Just my opinion, but it seems to me there are lot of issues here for just a windshield...Is it really that much better than others???..I wonder....

As much as I have bitched and moaned about the whistle problem, yes the Madstad really is that much better. My Tulsa was head and shoulders above stock, and the Madstad destroys the Tulsa.

I wish it had no issues, but the good outweighs the bad.

[F6BPDX]

I spoke to Mark at Madstad today about a few on the forum here that have some buffeting that I am not experiencing. Mark provided the attached drawing showing the F6B Base they are currently shipping (In Red) overlaid on the GL1800 Base I have installed (In Black). I asked Mark to manufacture an F6B Base that has the same upper profile as mine, basically where the lower red lines intersect the vertical black lines everything from that point up will follow the black outline.

Mark is going to ship that to me some time next week. When I receive the base I'm going to remove my front faring cover and confirm that fit and profile are identical to what I have installed. Assuming everything is identical I will be looking for a volunteer that is willing to install this Base and provide us with an objective comparison between the two. I was thinking Scotrod might be a good candidate since he has 2 Madstads installed on two different bikes and access to two different shield heights. If Scotrod does not have the time then perhaps someone else would step up?

I will ship the Base free of charge and if you like it you can keep it courtesy of Madstad Engineering. Just give us a good written comparison. If you don't like it then all I ask is that you ship it to someone else interested in testing it.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=1e90f4208e&view=fimg&th=143ea2d0f66f44cf&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ-4mi1hqb9tswu9VfSPT9xZ_7vX3R70aNuTDbkhEhvBaN42ZOMqi VxIO5Qo0OuhBunYmw1fcaQI4LAOJ-qjobsbdQrPvr2RQ2kJ8rizv7ltB-SH08masrB_RZM&ats=1391203261513&rm=143ea2d0f66f44cf&zw&sz=w1808-h808

I would be happy to play guinea pig if you think it would help. I do think Scotrod would be ideal though for the same reason you did. My only real issue is the whistle though so not really sure if I am helpfull enough.

[chipmaker]

I love my Madstad. Like on all forums, complaints get the most notice. I wouldn't switch my Madstad for any shield. It took a bit of tweaking to get perfect. Maybe, like everything else, it can't be perfect for everyone?? Different riders size, different helmets, different expectations, etc.

[d-shark]

I would be happy to play guinea pig if you think it would help. I do think Scotrod would be ideal though for the same reason you did. My only real issue is the whistle though so not really sure if I am helpfull enough.

F6BPDX: I sent you a Personal Message.

[Scotrod]

I would be happy to play guinea pig if you think it would help. I do think Scotrod would be ideal though for the same reason you did. My only real issue is the whistle though so not really sure if I am helpfull enough.

If I were to do it, I'd have to do it just as dang accurate as I could, meaning same day, same road , exact same conditions, same helmet, same everything,,,

But,,, before any of that happens, I'd need to tune/experiment with the new base first,,,,,

So, I'd have to mark/photograph my current set up,,, test and tune with new base, then immediately swap bases / reset brackets to what they were with my original base, and immediately ride again to get a 'close as possible' comparo,,, and then try to determine/define a difference/preference,,,

And,,,, at the end of the day,, as mentioned before,,, What works for me may not make a difference to someone who has a different overall size, different seat, different risers, different helmet,,,

I'm well north of 300 lbs, I have a loooong torso, I use a DayLong Saddle made just for me that sits me a little higher than OEM, and as far as I know, I'm the only one running a 15 inch shield,,,

Not really your 'average' F6B/rider/Madstad combo,,,,:shrug:

[d-shark]

If I were to do it, I'd have to do it just as dang accurate as I could, meaning same day, same road , exact same conditions, same helmet, same everything,,,

But,,, before any of that happens, I'd need to tune/experiment with the new base first,,,,,

So, I'd have to mark/photograph my current set up,,, test and tune with new base, then immediately swap bases / reset brackets to what they were with my original base, and immediately ride again to get a 'close as possible' comparo,,, and then try to determine/define a difference/preference,,,

And,,,, at the end of the day,, as mentioned before,,, What works for me may not make a difference to someone who has a different overall size, different seat, different risers, different helmet,,,

I'm well north of 300 lbs, I have a loooong torso, I use a DayLong Saddle made just for me that sits me a little higher than OEM, and as far as I know, I'm the only one running a 15 inch shield,,,

Not really your 'average' F6B/rider/Madstad combo,,,,:shrug:

Scotrod: I agree with all you have said and realize this takes more than a little time and effort for anyone taking on the task of comparing the two Bases. Since I was not sure you would have the time I sent a PM to F6BPDX since he indicated he might be interested. I indicated to F6BPDX that getting the comparison done quickly is not the objective. Let's face it, weather everywhere is going to suck for a while.

As you indicate it would be important to ride behind both in somewhat of a controlled fashion. In the end if one Base does not perform noticeably better than the other then we can put the whole subject to rest and move on. I like the fact that you have a a few issues with the Madstad. In the end the GL1800 style Base will either address those or not which is the purpose of the whole exercise.

I've not gotten a response from F6BPDX, lets see where he is at on the subject and I'll let you know. Thanks for your offer to help.

[d-shark]

Thought I would post a couple of photos of the GL1800 Base mounted on my F6B for anyone interested in the physical difference between the F6B Base and the GL1800 Base Madstad mistakenly shipped to me.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HJ2On6q7qY0/Uu1fXwamgsI/AAAAAAAAArg/9kZDjczN9yk/w1153-h865-no/IMG_20140201_145518.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6-RYqEazdEQ/Uu1fsPt2RAI/AAAAAAAAAsw/c7HP2PbjGNQ/w1153-h865-no/IMG_20140201_145637.jpg

[d-shark]

I had what I thought was a whistle also, not continuous but intermittent. I realized when cleaning the Shield one day that if I applied pressure fore & aft to the top of the Shield Base that it would squeak. The Base is pressed up against the Dash and when the Base flexes from pressure the friction causes a Squeak which sounds like a whistle when riding. Took the bike out for a ride and was able to reproduce the Whistle by pushing fore & aft on the top edge of the Base.

I have a spray bottle of Armour-All and sprayed some down into the area between the Dash and Shield Base to reduce friction between the two. This has eliminated 80% of the Squeak (Whistle) on my bike to where I don't notice it. I suppose the Squeak (Whistle) was probably there with my BaggerShield but with the added wind noise could not hear it.

My guess is that the fit between Dash and Base could vary a good bit between bikes since the Dash is not a precision part. Don't know but rounding off any sharp dash edges that may be contacting the Shield Base may help? In my case the Armour-All application made it a non-issue for me.

Pulled the GL1800 Base off my F6B today to see where the contact points were between the Base and Dash causing the Squeaking that sounds like a Whistle when riding my bike. In this photo I attached Red Dots where it was obvious the Base and Dash were contacting and chaffing causing the Squeak (Whistle) when the Base would Flex due to wind pressure on the Shield.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c8UANLdiSQQ/Uu1xLBAd9zI/AAAAAAAAAtE/3hXQGOMmgFE/w1153-h865-no/IMG_20140201_161026.jpg

Took a look at my old BaggerShield and it did not have any chaffing marks on the back side of the Shield in the areas indicated in the photo above. Evidently the Madstad GL1800 Base has a little less curvature than the BaggerShield which allows it to contact in the areas indicated near the center of the Base. I'm going to apply some felt strips to eliminate direct contact between the Base and the areas indicated to eliminate all Squeaking when the Base flexes from wind pressure on the Shield.

We are in a deep freeze here in IL so it will likely be several weeks before I can ride to determine if all Whistling has been eliminated.

[Scotrod]

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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=1e90f4208e&view=fimg&th=143ea2d0f66f44cf&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ-4mi1hqb9tswu9VfSPT9xZ_7vX3R70aNuTDbkhEhvBaN42ZOMqi VxIO5Qo0OuhBunYmw1fcaQI4LAOJ-qjobsbdQrPvr2RQ2kJ8rizv7ltB-SH08masrB_RZM&ats=1391203261513&rm=143ea2d0f66f44cf&zw&sz=w1808-h808

There is, (I assume,) an image showing the differences in the 2 bases in D-Sharks previous post #203,,, Am I the only one who cant see it? :shrug:

[d-shark]

There is, (I assume,) an image showing the differences in the 2 bases in D-Sharks previous post #203,,, Am I the only one who cant see it? :shrug:

That's interesting Scotrod, the image shows up when I view the post ??? I did this one a little different, let me know if you can view it now.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KIZAGSoClqg/Uu5mlOSB8UI/AAAAAAAAAtk/62eLoSVGCEc/w1326-h704-no/MadStad+base+comparison+2+%25281%2529.jpg

[F6BPDX]

D, I couldn't see the photo before and now I can. I did get your PM and am interested/willing if Scotrod doesn't feel he has the time. I do not have any of the buffeting that Scotrod mentioned however, nor the back pressure so I won't be any help in that regard. I do get a slight wind in my face (think maybe sitting in front of a household fan on medium perhaps) but I think that is by design/to be expected to a certain degree.

My only ongoing issue is really this damn whistle, if there was no whistle at this point I would give the Madstad a solid 10.

So far my attempts to solve have been:

Foam weather stripping along the base under the bottom edge.
Rubber gasket under the robo brackets where they meet the base
Masking off the "nostril vents"
Masking off the edge where the base meets the cowel/dash
Masking off all holes on the robo brackets

When D mentioned the squeak I realized mine did it too,but that was solved by loosening up the bolts a little and adding a piece of a rubber innertube at each top corner of the shield. Alas no change in whistle. :banghead:

Whistle is present in both an EXO-500 and a Shoei Qwest, so helmet has been ruled out. Also present regardless of if I use the 11" or 13" shield, and regardless of height setting of brackets.

[Scotrod]

Got it now!!! Thanks D!!!! :yes:

[Scotrod]

D, I couldn't see the photo before and now I can. I did get your PM and am interested/willing if Scotrod doesn't feel he has the time.

By all means, don't wait on me! Give it a spin and see what ya think!!!

I do not have any of the buffeting that Scotrod mentioned however, nor the back pressure so I won't be any help in that regard. I do get a slight wind in my face (think maybe sitting in front of a household fan on medium perhaps) but I think that is by design/to be expected to a certain degree.

FWIW, I fully opened and then later removed my mirror-mounted wind wings. This made a big difference / removed the backpressure

My only ongoing issue is really this damn whistle, if there was no whistle at this point I would give the Madstad a solid 10.

Have you tried taping closed the hollow open 'ball' under the outer tip of each lever?



OT, but how do you like the Qwest?

[F6BPDX]

OT, but how do you like the Qwest?

I haven't tried taping off both. Have covered clutch side while riding with no change.

As far as the Qwest goes I really like it a lot. Fits great, and is very quiet both open and closed. I will wind up investing another $80 to go pinlock, and getting my Sena installed was a bit more time consuming due to the non removable liner. All in all though I consider it a great buy.

[d-shark]

D, I couldn't see the photo before and now I can. I did get your PM and am interested/willing if Scotrod doesn't feel he has the time. I do not have any of the buffeting that Scotrod mentioned however, nor the back pressure so I won't be any help in that regard. I do get a slight wind in my face (think maybe sitting in front of a household fan on medium perhaps) but I think that is by design/to be expected to a certain degree.

My only ongoing issue is really this damn whistle, if there was no whistle at this point I would give the Madstad a solid 10.

So far my attempts to solve have been:

Foam weather stripping along the base under the bottom edge.
Rubber gasket under the robo brackets where they meet the base
Masking off the "nostril vents"
Masking off the edge where the base meets the cowel/dash
Masking off all holes on the robo brackets

When D mentioned the squeak I realized mine did it too,but that was solved by loosening up the bolts a little and adding a piece of a rubber innertube at each top corner of the shield. Alas no change in whistle. :banghead:

Whistle is present in both an EXO-500 and a Shoei Qwest, so helmet has been ruled out. Also present regardless of if I use the 11" or 13" shield, and regardless of height setting of brackets.

As far as the Whistle I'm wondering if the differences in the Base dimensions make any difference?? On the other hand the Whistle seems to be more severe in your case compared to what others are reporting. Just for grins I removed my GL1800 Base this morning. In the process I got a good look at the substantial gap between the Base & Dash, at least 1/4" in the areas to the Left & Right of center. Just to see I mounted my old BaggerShield and the gaps were basically the same. I never noticed a Whistle with the BaggerShield but then again the wind noise from that shield would have masked it.

As mentioned earlier I'm going to mount some adhesive felt strips to eliminate all squeaks when the base flexes and let you know the results when we get a reasonable day here to ride. In my case I was able to consistently reproduce the Whistle by applying pressure fore & aft along the top edge of the Base at speed. The volume of the Whistle was never obnoxious on my bike. On my recent FL trip I wore a Half Helmet all the way and did not notice the Whistle at all.

At this point I'll plan on shipping the new Base to you (F6BPDX) once I've confirmed the fit on my Bike. Want to be sure Mark at Madstad and I were on the same page as far as what I am expecting to receive. Just PM me some time with name & address.

[F6BPDX]

As far as the Whistle I'm wondering if the differences in the Base dimensions make any difference?? On the other hand the Whistle seems to be more severe in your case compared to what others are reporting. Just for grins I removed my GL1800 Base this morning. In the process I got a good look at the substantial gap between the Base & Dash, at least 1/4" in the areas to the Left & Right of center. Just to see I mounted my old BaggerShield and the gaps were basically the same. I never noticed a Whistle with the BaggerShield but then again the wind noise from that shield would have masked it.

As mentioned earlier I'm going to mount some adhesive felt strips to eliminate all squeaks when the base flexes and let you know the results when we get a reasonable day here to ride. In my case I was able to consistently reproduce the Whistle by applying pressure fore & aft along the top edge of the Base at speed. The volume of the Whistle was never obnoxious on my bike. On my recent FL trip I wore a Half Helmet all the way and did not notice the Whistle at all.

At this point I'll plan on shipping the new Base to you (F6BPDX) once I've confirmed the fit on my Bike. Want to be sure Mark at Madstad and I were on the same page as far as what I am expecting to receive. Just PM me some time with name & address.

My whistle is constant and reliable at 40+ mph. It was not there on my Tulsa. Very frustrating.

[d-shark]

My whistle is constant and reliable at 40+ mph. It was not there on my Tulsa. Very frustrating.

Received the GL1800 Base with F6B mounting holes Friday and fitted it to my Bike this morning (Saturday). It's a good fit and all Base dimensions are within 1/8" of the unit I have. Did have a good bit of chaffing on the front center of the Base from shipping. Was able to buff that out using Kit scratch & haze remover with a good bit of elbow grease. Seems I had some chaffing on my unit too. I'll mention that to Mark at Madstad. Anyway tried to pack the unit better for the trip to F6BPDX, will ship Monday.

I must be a bit slow but after having the Base on & off so many times it's pretty clear that Honda engineers intended there to be a gap between the Dash and the backside of a conventional windshield. Vents in the top Faring cover allow air to enter flowing up and behind a conventional shield (or in our case the Madstad base). I don't see any other reason for the front faring vent or the intentional gap Honda engineers designed between the Dash & back side of a conventional shield. The gap is not due to a sloppy fit but rather looks like it's intentional due to the design. So it seems the Honda engineers intended to let air flow up the back side of a conventional shield in a manner similar to how the Madstad functions.

In any event back to the Whistle F6BPDX is experiencing. I mentioned I have an intermittent Whistle like squeak due to the Base rubbing against the dash where F6BPDX has a constant Whistle. Definitely sounds like two different issues. Since I don't have any type of constant Whistle I'm cautiously optimistic the new Base will change wind flow characteristics enough to eliminate F6BPDX's Whistle issue?

[MichaelG]

I must be a bit slow but after having the Base on & off so many times it's pretty clear that Honda engineers intended there to be a gap between the Dash and the backside of a conventional windshield. Vents in the top Faring cover allow air to enter flowing up and behind a conventional shield (or in our case the Madstad base). I don't see any other reason for the front faring vent or the intentional gap Honda engineers designed between the Dash & back side of a conventional shield. The gap is not due to a sloppy fit but rather looks like it's intentional due to the design. So it seems the Honda engineers intended to let air flow up the back side of a conventional shield in a manner similar to how the Madstad functions.

d-shark, Honda did not plan or intend for there to be a gap between the OEM windshield, and the dash of the bike. On a brand new GL-1800 or brand new F6B, there is no gap there, with the OEM windshield in place. The mold of the OEM windshield fits nicely up against the dash, and does not allow for a gap.

Taking that into consideration, at least one of the aftermarket windshield manufacturers does supply a thick rubber gasket to install between the dash, and their windshield that they sell. I know, as I have that thick rubber gasket on my bike. Honda never designed the bike to have that gap there. But that specific molding of the lower part of the windshield to fit snugly up against the dash is difficult for aftermarket windshield manufacturers to replicate. Therefore, when installing an aftermarket windshield on a GL-1800 based bike...93.14159 % of the aftermarket windshields will produce the aforementioned gap between the dash and the windshield.

I can tell you that with the thick rubber gasket I have in place on my bike, supplied by the aftermarket windshield company, there is no gap, and no dust comes up between the dash and windshield. The beauty of getting that thick rubber gasket the first time is...anytime I change out windshields to try a different one, I still get to use that thick rubber gasket with all other windshields. It perfectly fills in the "gap".

BTW, that thick rubber gasket can be bought, alone and separate from a windshield, from one of the aftermarket companies.:icon_wink:

"coffee"

[d-shark]

d-shark, Honda did not plan or intend for there to be a gap between the OEM windshield, and the dash of the bike. On a brand new GL-1800 or brand new F6B, there is no gap there, with the OEM windshield in place. The mold of the OEM windshield fits nicely up against the dash, and does not allow for a gap.

Taking that into consideration, at least one of the aftermarket windshield manufacturers does supply a thick rubber gasket to install between the dash, and their windshield that they sell. I know, as I have that thick rubber gasket on my bike. Honda never designed the bike to have that gap there. But that specific molding of the lower part of the windshield to fit snugly up against the dash is difficult for aftermarket windshield manufacturers to replicate. Therefore, when installing an aftermarket windshield on a GL-1800 based bike...93.14159 % of the aftermarket windshields will produce the aforementioned gap between the dash and the windshield.

I can tell you that with the thick rubber gasket I have in place on my bike, supplied by the aftermarket windshield company, there is no gap, and no dust comes up between the dash and windshield. The beauty of getting that thick rubber gasket the first time is...anytime I change out windshields to try a different one, I still get to use that thick rubber gasket with all other windshields. It perfectly fills in the "gap".

BTW, that thick rubber gasket can be bought, alone and separate from a windshield, from one of the aftermarket companies.:icon_wink:

"coffee"

Miles,

Thanks for the background, did not know this since my F6B did not come with the stock shield. Any chance you have a link to where the gasket you refer to can be purchased separately ??? I've checked several sites and am coming up empty.

[MichaelG]

Miles,

Thanks for the background, did not know this since my F6B did not come with the stock shield. Any chance you have a link to where the gasket you refer to can be purchased separately ??? I've checked several sites and am coming up empty.

d-shark, I do not believe there is a specific link to the rubber gasket. I am NOT trying to promote this company, just trying to assist a fellow forum member here, so when I mention the rubber gasket is supplied by Tulsa Products, at All American Products, http://www.allamericanprod.com/+2oem.html, you need to call them, talk to Allen, and specifically ask for that rubber gasket. Don't even bother telling him it is for an F6B. Just ask for the think rubber gasket they supply for the Goldwing 1800 windshields.

"coffee"

[F6BPDX]

I sent off an email to Allen about cost and how to order. I will let you know what I find out D.

[d-shark]

Following up on input from Miles I found these photos of a stock GL1800 Shield on ebay. The irregular molded contour of the Shield to match the irregular contour of the dash is clearly visible. Just curious, was the short Stock F6B shield molded to match the contour of the dash like this??? Looks like from the few photos I've been able to find on the Net the answer is no??? I've never seen the Stock F6B Shield in person.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2MlgxNjAw/z/EjsAAOxygPtS8X6u/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2MlgxNjAw/z/QnIAAOxyOlhS8X6o/$_57.JPG

Here is a photo of a Stock F6B Shield which does not appear to have the irregular molded contour??? Is that correct or is this just a poor photo?

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTAwWDE2MDA=/z/BFUAAOxydl5SI2C4/$(KGrHqZHJEkFIeUDwUvJBSI2C4(dCg~~60_57.JPG

[MichaelG]

Following up on input from Miles I found these photos of a stock GL1800 Shield on ebay. The irregular molded contour of the Shield to match the irregular contour of the dash is clearly visible. Just curious, was the short Stock F6B shield molded to match the contour of the dash like this??? Looks like from the few photos I've been able to find on the Net the answer is no??? I've never seen the Stock F6B Shield in person.

Here is a photo of a Stock F6B Shield which does not appear to have the irregular molded contour??? Is that correct or is this just a poor photo?


d-shark, your impressions are correct about the stock windshield. After you posted this, I had to go out...in the snow...and look at the two original F6B windshields I have in my motorcycle garage, and they do NOT have the irregular molded contour that a stock GL-1800 Goldwing windshield has.

I can assure you, Honda did not alleviate that irregular molded contour on the F6B windshield in an effort to allow venting up through there. They neglected to include the irregular molded contour because....it was cheaper...and they already figured out that 93.14159 % of us would change out the stock windshield as the first thing we change on our bikes. :icon_wink:

[d-shark]

d-shark, your impressions are correct about the stock windshield. After you posted this, I had to go out...in the snow...and look at the two original F6B windshields I have in my motorcycle garage, and they do NOT have the irregular molded contour that a stock GL-1800 Goldwing windshield has.

I can assure you, Honda did not alleviate that irregular molded contour on the F6B windshield in an effort to allow venting up through there. They neglected to include the irregular molded contour because....it was cheaper...and they already figured out that 93.14159 % of us would change out the stock windshield as the first thing we change on our bikes. :icon_wink:

Miles, makes a lot of sense, Thank You. It's my first Goldwing.

[Scotrod]

I already have 19 different flavors of weather stripping at home,,,

Used some thick black foam in the gap area and some thin urethane stripping in areas where the base makes contact w/shield mounts.

Should help w/dust, Maybe a squeak or 2. :shrug:

[hiflyer]

I just switched out the dark 11" for the clear", and I like the looks better. With the black base plate, the bike retains the look of a short screen as Honda intended with the performance of a large screen.

[Scotrod]

Yep, same reasoning I used when I selected light gray. :yes:

Did some more experimenting last weekend w/shield positioning. Outer bracket to inner bracket connection lowered from top holes to middle holes. (Pulls shield closer to bike) Slide shield up approx. 1/2 way in the 'knob slots'. Adjust rake to match base.

This orientation is perhaps a tiny bit higher than what I've had before, but seems to work a bit better overall, especially in rough air, and IMHO, ~blends~ with the look of the bike better due to being tighter in and having matched rake.

Right now, the 'intake' height is a hair larger than the base to shield gap. I believe the velocity of the oncoming air is kept 'about the same' between the intake and top of the base as there is a consistent space between those two items.

I really do like the Virtually unlimited adjustability this system provides. It suits the 'tinkerer' in me!!!

[F6BPDX]

So last night I was able to install the new base which I received from d-shark and rode with it to work this morning.

I have a few initial observations, but obviously have not used it long enough to have a full report.

#1 issue I was having was a whistle. This whistle is still present which is making me wonder if I have always had this whistle and just never noticed it due to wind noise with the traditional shields, so the search continues but I will be looking at other possibilities.

Install of this base was easier than my original base, and I believe now that my original was perhaps slightly misaligned hole wise. The bolts never seemed to line up EXACT and the new base ones do.

I had been running my 13" shield with the old base and had to switch to the 11" with the new base as the 13" was simply too tall when factoring in the added 1" of base height. I could run a 13" all the way down, but that would be it. (6' tall with a 30-31" inseam for reference purposes) I will have to dial my height back in with the 11" before I can comment on if the wind protection seems better face wise.

It does appear that I have less shoulder air due to the "wings" on this base but I want to ride it longer before officially making that comment.

[d-shark]

This past Thursday in the Springfield. IL area we had about 7 hours of 60+ degree weather. The wind was directly out of the South at a steady 23 mph (stiff). I made 4 round trip runs on a route that consisted of a 4 mile East West stretch (direct crosswind) a 10 mile North / South interstate stretch (tailwind / headwind) and a 6 mile winding interstate stretch around the city of Springfield, IL (lots of dirty air due to traffic, buildings, trees and the 23 mph wind).

I alternated runs starting the first one with Madstad's stock F6B Base and the second with the taller and wider GL1800 style Base. The gap between the Madstad Base and F6B dash was open on these two runs. On the third run I used the Stock Base with a Gasket filling the gap between Base and Dash as well as on the fourth run with the GL1800 style Base.

First of all filling the gap between the F6B dash and Madstad Base had no apparent effect on either wind protection or the Whistle F6BPDX and some others have noted. The Whistle volume was low to my ear and identical on all four runs. I was listening for the Whistle but quickly forgot about it while I was focused on taking note of the wind protection. So some may be more sensitive to the Wind Whistle then others.

I took a few notes between runs as I was changing out one Base for the other. I should note all runs were done with no helmet. The comparison notes were as follows:

Going East / West at 60 mph with a direct 23 mph crosswind the crosswind overwhelmed both Madstad combinations. However with the GL1800 base I never got the feeling my eardrums were getting hammered. A few times with the stock base I could feel the crosswind getting to my eardrums and I had to pull my polar fleece cap back down 3 times as the crosswind was wanting to take it.

On the straight North bound interstate stretch at 70 mph with a 23 mph tailwind the ride was equally quiet and calm with both combinations (really nice). On the straight South bound interstate stretch at 70 mph with a 23 mph headwind I felt a bit more buffeting around the upper arms, shoulders and head with the stock Base. I noted that my jacket sleeves were buffeting in the wind more. Not night & day difference but a difference.

The winding interstate stretch had a lot of dirty air and chop due to the wind, buildings, trees, overpasses and traffic. Again I felt a bit more buffeting around the upper arms, shoulders and head with the stock Base. Again jacket sleeves were buffeting in the wind more by comparison but again not a night & day difference but a difference.

The conditions were somewhat extreme but the ride was informative. I would say the improved wind protection of the GL1800 Base compared to the Stock F6B Base was incremental in my opinion (again not night & day). Both combinations were challenged by these conditions but still performed much better than my previous 11" Baggershield in similar conditions.

We are still at least a month away from any decent riding weather here where I can compare the two under normal riding conditions.

[F6BPDX]

This past Thursday in the Springfield. IL area we had about 7 hours of 60+ degree weather. The wind was directly out of the South at a steady 23 mph (stiff). I made 4 round trip runs on a route that consisted of a 4 mile East West stretch (direct crosswind) a 10 mile North / South interstate stretch (tailwind / headwind) and a 6 mile winding interstate stretch around the city of Springfield, IL (lots of dirty air due to traffic, buildings, trees and the 23 mph wind).

I alternated runs starting the first one with Madstad's stock F6B Base and the second with the taller and wider GL1800 style Base. The gap between the Madstad Base and F6B dash was open on these two runs. On the third run I used the Stock Base with a Gasket filling the gap between Base and Dash as well as on the fourth run with the GL1800 style Base.

First of all filling the gap between the F6B dash and Madstad Base had no apparent effect on either wind protection or the Whistle F6BPDX and some others have noted. The Whistle volume was low to my ear and identical on all four runs. I was listening for the Whistle but quickly forgot about it while I was focused on taking note of the wind protection. So some may be more sensitive to the Wind Whistle then others.

I took a few notes between runs as I was changing out one Base for the other. I should note all runs were done with no helmet. The comparison notes were as follows:

Going East / West at 60 mph with a direct 23 mph crosswind the crosswind overwhelmed both Madstad combinations. However with the GL1800 base I never got the feeling my eardrums were getting hammered. A few times with the stock base I could feel the crosswind getting to my eardrums and I had to pull my polar fleece cap back down 3 times as the crosswind was wanting to take it.

On the straight North bound interstate stretch at 70 mph with a 23 mph tailwind the ride was equally quiet and calm with both combinations (really nice). On the straight South bound interstate stretch at 70 mph with a 23 mph headwind I felt a bit more buffeting around the upper arms, shoulders and head with the stock Base. I noted that my jacket sleeves were buffeting in the wind more. Not night & day difference but a difference.

The winding interstate stretch had a lot of dirty air and chop due to the wind, buildings, trees, overpasses and traffic. Again I felt a bit more buffeting around the upper arms, shoulders and head with the stock Base. Again jacket sleeves were buffeting in the wind more by comparison but again not a night & day difference but a difference.

The conditions were somewhat extreme but the ride was informative. I would say the improved wind protection of the GL1800 Base compared to the Stock F6B Base was incremental in my opinion (again not night & day). Both combinations were challenged by these conditions but still performed much better than my previous 11" Baggershield in similar conditions.

We are still at least a month away from any decent riding weather here where I can compare the two under normal riding conditions.

It sounds like our tests are going pretty much the same. I haven't tried them as close to back to back as you but did have a chance to run each of them for half of last week and then both of them on Saturday and have pretty much determined there is little to no difference.

I do get a tiny bit less shoulder buffetting, if you can even call it buffetting in the first place since there is hardly any with either base, with the gl1800 version.

For my "issues" the base choice has made no difference at all, i get an equal amount of wind to the face and the same whistle with both. I also get a nice clean pocket of air with both, albeit with different size shields (the 11" seems to sit better on the GL1800 base and I prefer the 13" on the F6B base).

My opinion thus far is that nobody should really concern themselves with the base size.

To note, all of my testing has been done in a full face Shoei Qwest, so i haven't noticed any difference in ear battering or hat lift as d-shark did.

[F6BPDX]

After another week of 1/2 and 1/2 commutes with the two different bases my final thoughts on this are that folks should do one of two things:

#1 - Not worry about the base at all.

#2 - Make your request based on asthetics. The bases are shaped different and do look different on the bike, and also for me at 6' they "require" different sized shields to realy hit the sweet spot I want them to, which of course is purely subjective. Obviously an 11" vs. a 13" also look asthetically different. (I prefer the looks of the F6B base).

Functionality doesn't seem to be any more or less soley on the base used. I do think there may have been a more pronounced difference originally when Bruce and D were the first two units because the height difference was a full 2" where as now it's more like 7/8".

I know Scotrod had some different concerns/issues than I did so if he wants to test the second base I will gladly send it on it's way, otherwise I will defaut to D for what he wants me to do with it.

[d-shark]

F6BPDX,

Thanks for your substantial time and effort to thoroughly test ride, evaluate and report to Forum members on both the Stock and GL1800 Hybrid Madstad Bases.

"#1 - Not worry about the base at all."

I tend to agree with your evaluation of wind protection between the two based on my limited one day test ride so far. I do however plan to get my girlfriends input (she also rides her own bike) as to if there is any difference between the two Bases from the passenger seat. That will have to wait for better weather.

"#2 - Make your request based on aesthetics. The bases are shaped different and do look different on the bike, and also for me at 6' they "require" different sized shields to realy hit the sweet spot I want them to, which of course is purely subjective. Obviously an 11" vs. a 13" also look aesthetically different. (I prefer the looks of the F6B base)."

You hit this point squarely on the head (the look is purely subjective). I am 6',2" tall and prefer the GL1800 Hybrid Base with the shorter 11" Dark Smoke Shield. Others have produced a shorter look with the stock Base by going with a clear shield. I don't particularly like the Robo-Brackets being that visible but understand that approach.

In my case the GL1800 hybrid Base with 11" Shield allows me to adjust the shield all the way down to get more air in the face when needed (when it is Hot). Or adjust the Shield all the way up well above my line of sight to avoid Grasshoppers riding through the South Dakota Badlands. So in my case I'm a tall guy with the shortest shield Madstad makes on my bike.

If anyone is kind of torn between two different Shield heights they are welcome to give the GL1800 Hybrid base a try to see if they can get into a shorter Shield for looks. There is no time pressure just ride it when you get a chance and report your thoughts.

F6BPDX, if it's not to much of a Hassle hang on to the Base until Spring. When the weather starts to break someone might decide to give it a try and you can forward it to them. If by then there are none interested then I will have you ship it back to me since I have a good bit of storage space here and can forward it to any interested parties. If it's in the way at your place and storage is not a good option for you then by all means ship it back to me.

[F6BPDX]

D,

No trouble for me to store it. It is cleaned up and in the box, if and when someone else wants to give it a go I will ship it off at my expense, as was done for me. If at any point you want it back just let me know.

[Scotrod]

:yes:

Tell us what shield(s)you had before and what you think of the 'stad,,,

[Jabbasan]

Ok let me try this again -
I have had 3 windshields so far, Stock, Cee Bailey's 13", F4 customs 18" and now the Madstad 15" clear. I have a RDL seat so I am an inch or two higher in the saddle than the stock seat.

With the Madstad shield fully up and at a 60 degree angle. It's 20 inches from the top of the shield to the Honda logo on the dash. Madstad allows for a lot of adjustment in the windshield which is perfect for a tinkerer like myself. I can definitely see why this windshield is not for everyone, it's definitely unique in the looks department but it kind of grows on you after a while.

I have attached a few pics that may help someone else. Not sure why the pic uploader rotates them arrggghh.

I have not had a chance to test it yet, hopefully I will get out for a ride tomorrow and report back. But so far I am impressed with the quality and the engineering. Not taking anything away from any of the other windshields. I like to Farkle, it's a disease that's my story and I am sticking to it :-)

[Scotrod]

Put in 1100 miles in the last 2 days and had some excellent opportunity's to high-speed 'tune' WITH the wind wings on.

It's a bit different combining the wings and the Madstad, and tuning one has an effect on the other,,,

Currently running parallel w/base,,, not quite 100% 'back' on rake. Also running the 'middle' set of holes between upper and lower brackets. (This brings the shield closer to base vs the 'top' set of holes that most brackets are sent out with from the manufacturer.)

The wings:

First,,, 'full closed' on the wings moves the air off your hands and out away from Rider. Biggest issue is a bit of pressure on your back/shoulders as the wind is trying to rush in the pocket of low pressure between you and the shield. This same low pressure zone is 'pulling down/disrupting' the stream of air coming up the backside of the shield,,,

That stream is the same one that push's the oncoming air up over your head,,, (Kinda like a 'flip' shield but without all the 'stirring' of the wind)

So,,, Running w/ the wing's 'straight forward/neutral' reduces the width/strength of the 'bubble' and reduces that pressure on your back,,,,

And,,,,, Running w/the wing's positioned so they pull air into the riders area eliminates that pressure on your back and helps to further reduce the pressure differentiation between 'normal' and the area behind the shield,,, With less pressure differentiation, the stream coming up behind the shield isn't 'disrupted/dissipated' as much and tends to stay smoother/stronger in 'pushing' the oncoming air upwards,,,

At high speeds (80ish) I would run mostly 'neutral' or a hair 'open' on the wings and slide the shield higher in the slots. (Should be 'acceptable' in hot weather as there is still some good air circulating at 80 mph,,, You really don't want to be 'blow-torched' with hot air,, just get a good breeze,,) At 50-60, I ran the wings 'full open' (air towards rider) and slide the shield down in the slots to get as much air over the helmet vents as you can handle

Worst problem is ya get spoiled with how quiet it is with the shield up and sliding it down to get yer noggin in some real airflow reminds you of how noisy your helmet is!

As always, each individual's experience will vary, but combining wings with Madstad has it's own set of variables that can compliment each other.

Don't be afraid to experiment with settings you 'think' won't work!!!!!!!!!!

[CaptRob]

Some pics of a 15 inch light gray and a 13 inch medium gray:

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That blue is an awesome color!!:041:

[Scotrod]

Thanks!
It tends to be a bit more purple in some types of light,,, Eh,,, I like the light that makes it blue the best! LOL!

So, after reading this thread, what do you think of the Madstad system?

[CaptRob]

Thanks!
It tends to be a bit more purple in some types of light,,, Eh,,, I like the light that makes it blue the best! LOL!

So, after reading this thread, what do you think of the Madstad system?

It sounds like I will love it. I should have listened to you guys on the cobra pipes. Crazy annoying noise! Sound great in the driveway! I am researching the exhaust
loops now!

[Scotrod]

I should have listened to you guys on the cobra pipes. Crazy annoying noise! Sound great in the driveway! I am researching the exhaust
loops now!

Are ya sure you don't like the OEM pipes? :poke:

A member here painted his black and they look pretty darn sharp! :yes: No drone either! :icon_biggrin:

[CaptRob]

Are ya sure you don't like the OEM pipes? :poke:

A member here painted his black and they look pretty darn sharp! :yes: No drone either! :icon_biggrin:

Yup shoulda left well enough alone!! just spent 700 on black 6 2 6's I really want them to work. If not I guess idiot tax, I will put stock back on dunno very disappointed

[F6BPDX]

Yup shoulda left well enough alone!! just spent 700 on black 6 2 6's I really want them to work. If not I guess idiot tax, I will put stock back on dunno very disappointed

If the buying and selling of 6-2-6 from this board is any indication you should just be able to unload them for $550ish and move on. I think trying to do the torque loops is setting yourself up for further heartache, but again that is just my opinion.

Madstad is easily one of the best purchases out there (even with the gripes I had initially for set up), the Cobras are one I am glad to have avoided.

[srt8-in-largo]

Whats wrong with the Cobra pipes?

Awesome thread and info here! I'll be ordering a Madstad this week... and thanks to you fine folks I know exactly how to place the order.