CCW Carry option

[Steve 0080]

https://www.undertechundercover.com/collections/all-mens-items/products/mens-concealment-v-neck-coolux-shirt


Very nice !!!!

[seadog]

https://urbancarryholsters.com/g2-urban-carry-holster-laser.html
Watch the video on the site, very interesting.

[stroguy]

Love the shirt, that looks very cool to wear.

Not a fan of the urban carry. Too many moving parts, gun is too high on the rib cage before you can get a grip on it, and for an external safety gun like a 1911 it scares me that I am not in total control of the safety.

[seadog]

No safety on my 380 auto so you don't have to worry about it.

[ths61]

Crossbreed Supertuck in Horsehide, the ugliest most comfortable IWB holster.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/Product/SuperTuck-Deluxe

[Steve 0080]

The ideal is to have the weapon when you need it. IMHO it would be very extremely rare to have to quick draw with someone., so speed in down on my must haves list. Having said that I do not want the weapon touching my bare skin and it gets pretty warm here in FLA so the breathable shirt works for me. I also want it concealed as much as possible. Some printing will happen but I don't want it seen. For me I just can't get used to having a holster inside my waist band. Some like it, it's just not for me. I also like to be able to touch or hold the weapon to me when I get close to anyone so I KNOW where it is. JMHOYMMV

[SimonTemplar]

http://www.pocketholsters.com


Fits my PPK and my S&W Centennial just dandy!




.....sT

[pilotguy299]

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/content/Insert2.jpg

[willtill]

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/content/Insert2.jpg

This is pretty good camouflage for it... watch the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFjI8wLTOzY#t=166.264604

[stroguy]

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com

http://www.sneakypeteholsters.com/content/Insert2.jpg

Nope, no way. That's a disaster. Did you see the video how he put his trigger finger down the slide but his middle finger nearly went inside the trigger guard and the trigger is not blocked? Screw that hunk of crap. In a moment of raised adrenal gland employment your gonna shoot yourself in the leg or your wife sitting in the passenger seat. Second the belt clips are flimsy and mounted to a soft sided material. Joe Thug is gonna walk by you and rip that hunk of crap right off your hip. I didn't think there was anything chincier than a Fobus, but you guys found it. Please pass for your safety.

[Steve 0080]

I also use this...put some camera tags on the zippers and folks will think it is a camera case! Go large for a Glock 43 and similar size frames.

https://www.amazon.com/BLACKHAWK-Belt-Pouch-Holster-Large/dp/B001AQ4HN4/ref=sr_1_46?ie=UTF8&qid=1480694612&sr=8-46&keywords=gun%2Bholster%2Bblackhawk&th=1&psc=1

[Davidk]

As a professional gun writer and instructor, I have seen LOTS of holsters. I have not found a perfect solution to bike carry. A lot depends on what clothing you wear.

If you wear a projective jacket (even in summer) the fastest access would be a proper shoulder holster.

Ankle holster works well on a bike for small guns if you wear it on the strong side rather than the traditional support side. Unless, you wear boots which are too big to fit an ankle holsters.

https://www.undertechundercover.com/...k-coolux-shirt
Problem with this is that the gun is at a very poor angle which makes it hard to grip and the strap is a major problem. You have to first undo the Velcro strap to reach the gun then grip the gun without the strap getting in the way. Slow and ungainly with a high probability of the strap getting in the way.

OWB and IWB hosters such as the CrossBreed work, but it might be slow to draw depending on what type of protective clothing you wear.

The SneekyPete looks interesting, but I have not had a chance to try it. The draw technique in the video may not be the best, but it might be the shooter not the SneekyPete.

A fanny pack off to the side works as well if you don’t mind wearing a fanny pack. It does not bother me. Be sure to get one that tightly holds your gun rather than just using a loose holster inside. They have a nasty habit of guns falling out when you open the fanny pack.

While I have not tried the Urban Carry, it looks to be a very similar concept to others that I have tried. I sincerely doubt that it will work in everyday use any where close as well as in the sales video, especially when sitting. I expect that you will have to wear your pants pretty loose in order to get your hand in quickly.

In terms of draw time, do NOT discount the need for very quick draws. I have numerous seen videos of gunfights where quick draws were necessary.

Also, I am not fond of any two-handed draws. Your support hand may be injured, blocking, striking, arm wrapping, holding back kids, pulling your girlfriend out of the fight, pushing your wife into the fight, etc. One-handed draw is always best.

[willtill]

:icon_mrgreen:

http://i65.tinypic.com/34ycgf4.jpg

[seadog]

The ideal is to have the weapon when you need it. IMHO it would be very extremely rare to have to quick draw with someone., so speed in down on my must haves list. Having said that I do not want the weapon touching my bare skin and it gets pretty warm here in FLA so the breathable shirt works for me. I also want it concealed as much as possible. Some printing will happen but I don't want it seen. For me I just can't get used to having a holster inside my waist band. Some like it, it's just not for me. I also like to be able to touch or hold the weapon to me when I get close to anyone so I KNOW where it is. JMHOYMMV

The experts say the average gun fight is 3 seconds and if your busy pulling a slow gun, Well the outcome isn't in your favor!

[stroguy]

In my effort to be fair about the sneaky pete holster I watched several videos of the design and how folks are using it. Well, I still contend that the open trigger guard offers a greater chance of a accidental discharge when you reach in to deploy the pistol. I wouldn't carry one without a lot of training and practice. I have a lot of training and practice and will NEVER buy this device.

THEN I came across the epitome of an ignorant gun owner. He has a sneaky pete, but he would most likely be ignorant and a buffoon with another style holster. Below find Joe Dumbass that doesn't follow proper gun safety at any time. He fully admits that the gun in the holster is fully loaded (all guns are loaded) and he is not going to clear it. Before he sticks his giant thumb in to pull it out, the muzzle continues to flag his cocksection and upper legs. The holster is designed for your 3 fingers to grab the pistol grip. He is doing this humanity saving educational seminar while sitting down on something, probably a bean bag or his man cave la z boy with his feet kicked up in the ho-hum I'm not worried position. He then reaches in and pulls the pistol out with his ass block thumb and holds a loaded gun like it is some grasshopper he caught and needs to place it outside. All the time flagging the entire household, including his DNA locker which probably deserves to be in the way of an accidental discharge so he cannot repopulate the country with more offspring. And then to finish off his manhood validation project he decides to go to the farmers market and see if anyone can tell he has a concealed pistol in that colostomy bag hanging from his belt. No you twit, they can't tell it's a gun, they think it's where you keep your pea brain. These are the idiots that give the fuel to the anti-gunners. These dimwits that pollute youtube with these 'I know it all' gun videos need to be exiled to Australia and get 5 on the dollar for their guns.

Please don't be this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p853aTH9g1U

Sorry for the rant, but I am passionate about the 2A, firearms and the freedom to keep and bear them. Idiots like this just make me blow smoke from my ears.

[DTOM]

https://www.undertechundercover.com/collections/all-mens-items/products/mens-concealment-v-neck-coolux-shirt


Very nice !!!!

Will buying this shirt decrease my body fat to 5% too?

[Steve 0080]

Will buying this shirt decrease my body fat to 5% too?

It may help! It is somewhat like a compression type shirt! .batman-smilie.

[willtill]

It may help! It is somewhat like a compression type shirt! .batman-smilie.


Spandex? :icon_lol:

[Steve 0080]

The experts say the average gun fight is 3 seconds and if your busy pulling a slow gun, Well the outcome isn't in your favor!


I here ya.... but... The question is do you engage, walk away, not your problem or truly a life or death issue. Not many here have or will ever be in a situation that requires a life or death reaction, or at least I hope they don't. The ideal is to be prepared with both weapon and ability.

[Steve 0080]

As a professional gun writer and instructor, I have seen LOTS of holsters. I have not found a perfect solution to bike carry. A lot depends on what clothing you wear.

If you wear a projective jacket (even in summer) the fastest access would be a proper shoulder holster.

Ankle holster works well on a bike for small guns if you wear it on the strong side rather than the traditional support side. Unless, you wear boots which are too big to fit an ankle holsters.

https://www.undertechundercover.com/...k-coolux-shirt
Problem with this is that the gun is at a very poor angle which makes it hard to grip and the strap is a major problem. You have to first undo the Velcro strap to reach the gun then grip the gun without the strap getting in the way. Slow and ungainly with a high probability of the strap getting in the way.

OWB and IWB hosters such as the CrossBreed work, but it might be slow to draw depending on what type of protective clothing you wear.

The SneekyPete looks interesting, but I have not had a chance to try it. The draw technique in the video may not be the best, but it might be the shooter not the SneekyPete.

A fanny pack off to the side works as well if you don’t mind wearing a fanny pack. It does not bother me. Be sure to get one that tightly holds your gun rather than just using a loose holster inside. They have a nasty habit of guns falling out when you open the fanny pack.

While I have not tried the Urban Carry, it looks to be a very similar concept to others that I have tried. I sincerely doubt that it will work in everyday use any where close as well as in the sales video, especially when sitting. I expect that you will have to wear your pants pretty loose in order to get your hand in quickly.

In terms of draw time, do NOT discount the need for very quick draws. I have numerous seen videos of gunfights where quick draws were necessary.

Also, I am not fond of any two-handed draws. Your support hand may be injured, blocking, striking, arm wrapping, holding back kids, pulling your girlfriend out of the fight, pushing your wife into the fight, etc. One-handed draw is always best.

Winner of best paragraph !!!

[Davidk]

As a professional gun writer and instructor, I have seen LOTS of holsters. I have not found a perfect solution to bike carry. A lot depends on what clothing you wear.

If you wear a projective jacket (even in summer) the fastest access would be a proper shoulder holster.

Ankle holster works well on a bike for small guns if you wear it on the strong side rather than the traditional support side. Unless, you wear boots which are too big to fit an ankle holsters.

https://www.undertechundercover.com/...k-coolux-shirt
Problem with this is that the gun is at a very poor angle which makes it hard to grip and the strap is a major problem. You have to first undo the Velcro strap to reach the gun then grip the gun without the strap getting in the way. Slow and ungainly with a high probability of the strap getting in the way.

OWB and IWB hosters such as the CrossBreed work, but it might be slow to draw depending on what type of protective clothing you wear.

The SneekyPete looks interesting, but I have not had a chance to try it. The draw technique in the video may not be the best, but it might be the shooter not the SneekyPete.

A fanny pack off to the side works as well if you don’t mind wearing a fanny pack. It does not bother me. Be sure to get one that tightly holds your gun rather than just using a loose holster inside. They have a nasty habit of guns falling out when you open the fanny pack.

While I have not tried the Urban Carry, it looks to be a very similar concept to others that I have tried. I sincerely doubt that it will work in everyday use any where close as well as in the sales video, especially when sitting. I expect that you will have to wear your pants pretty loose in order to get your hand in quickly.

In terms of draw time, do NOT discount the need for very quick draws. I have numerous seen videos of gunfights where quick draws were necessary.

Also, I am not fond of any two-handed draws. Your support hand may be injured, blocking, striking, arm wrapping, holding back kids, pulling your girlfriend out of the fight, pushing your wife into the fight, etc. One-handed draw is always best.

Winner of best paragraph !!!

You might be the only one who got it :)

[stroguy]

You might be the only one who got it :)

Or read it.:moon:

[BIGLRY]

You might be the only one who got it :)Nope..I got it and belive in it. :icon_biggrin:

https://youtu.be/OeMA_THSXpM

[Davidk]

Nope..I got it and belive in it. :icon_biggrin:

https://youtu.be/OeMA_THSXpM

You got my point, but I think you missed the joke :)

[Davidk]

Here's a recent example of needing a quick draw:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCLltEzEpxc

[willtill]

Here's another. You can find these all over YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhEiL4rHDE

[Steve 0080]

Here's another. You can find these all over YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhEiL4rHDE

Okay...Why is no one dead? Point blank range and no one on the ground? The video above this one with the couple waiting on the door doesn't look real either. Although one perp is on the ground, the women would have been pissing herself and someone would have come out of the door.

Having a weapon and the ability is paramount. Choosing to engage is a whole life time of second guessing. In a post long ago I stated if Zimmerman had it to do over would he have engaged. My answer is no but hell no. Kinda like CPR, if I do not know you I will not be swapping spit with you. I will do everything possible to get you help but no first base. JMO

Everyone "thinks" they will react in a certain fashion. Only by being tested will the answer come. You can practice till you buy Wal Mart out of ammo but pulling the trigger on someone is a whole other story. The majority will freeze, spray bullets or just piss their pants. Just sayin!

[stroguy]

Adrenalin my friend. Plus Brazil is a drug ridden country, thus the high crime rate. Thugs were looking for drug cash, not retirement funds so they may have been high on something. First shot most likely connected with the dude, but the second looks like it whizzed over the second thug head. You can go a long way on that adrenalin. That's why you need the two to the chest and one to the melon drill.

[Dirtstiff's F6B]

I wear a vest when I carry that has a special made pocket
that fits any frame of handgun, also having an elastic band to slide the bbl-receiver into, keeping it from swimming around in the pocket.

Some call them a "Club" vest.
My SOP's nephews call them a crew vest.
24795
I call it functional.

Amazon, about 60-70 bucks for regular sizes.
I also have several conceal holsters, but this is the quickest access for me.

J

[Bruce B]

Crossbreed Supertuck in Horsehide, the ugliest most comfortable IWB holster.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/Product/SuperTuck-Deluxe



+1 I've tried a good cross section of what's available for CCW. The Crossbreed Minituck in horsehide is the best I've found for my Sig P938 and S&W Shield. For pocket carry, I have come to favor the Recluse. Top notch in all regards. And I use and like the Sneaky Pete but am cautious with the draw. I carry all the time, every day, and if limited to two holsters for my carry guns, they would be the Crossbreed Minituck and the Recluse. I carry nothing larger than the Sig P938 or S&W Shield because I don't want my attire to prevent me from carrying. And in this crazy state of California, I can't afford to print even though I do have a CCW.

[Bruce B]

https://urbancarryholsters.com/g2-urban-carry-holster-laser.html
Watch the video on the site, very interesting.


I tried the Urban Carry. It felt so "wrong" that I returned it before I even carried it. Perhaps I should have given it a chance but I can't imagine that I'd have ever gotten to like it.

[willtill]

Okay...Why is no one dead? Point blank range and no one on the ground?

No OPLAN ever survives initial contact.

Reference:

http://pages.swcp.com/~russo/laws-o-combat.html

[ReserveBum]

tried a couple of IWB;s but not 100% happy. Went to this Blackhawk for OWB but still small enough plus I like the lock where it cant be pulled out of the holster by the bad guy

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LQFTVBM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[pilotguy299]

tried a couple of IWB;s but not 100% happy. Went to this Blackhawk for OWB but still small enough plus I like the lock where it cant be pulled out of the holster by the bad guy

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LQFTVBM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


a lot of places ban that holster because of all of the ADs/NDs that have happened with that holster. it really does require paying a bit extra attention to use safely. one agent I worked with put a .40 through his thigh because of how he drew the weapon.

[Davidk]

a lot of places ban that holster because of all of the ADs/NDs that have happened with that holster. it really does require paying a bit extra attention to use safely. one agent I worked with put a .40 through his thigh because of how he drew the weapon.


Serpa holds the record for the holster that caused the most negligent discharges. The problem with the Serpa, depending on gun model and finger length) is that it puts the trigger finger near the edge of the frame after the draw and it is very easy for the finger to slip down to the trigger. Might sound absurd, the very long list of NDs with them say it is so. The Serpa is the only holster that I have ever seen banned from training classes (other than cross draw and shoulder holsters due to where the muzzle is pointing.

[seadog]

tried a couple of IWB;s but not 100% happy. Went to this Blackhawk for OWB but still small enough plus I like the lock where it cant be pulled out of the holster by the bad guy

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LQFTVBM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have a 9mm Ruger 9E and the Blackhawk is a great addition to the others I have and well worth the money.

[seadog]

+1 I've tried a good cross section of what's available for CCW. The Crossbreed Minituck in horsehide is the best I've found for my Sig P938 and S&W Shield. For pocket carry, I have come to favor the Recluse. Top notch in all regards. And I use and like the Sneaky Pete but am cautious with the draw. I carry all the time, every day, and if limited to two holsters for my carry guns, they would be the Crossbreed Minituck and the Recluse. I carry nothing larger than the Sig P938 or S&W Shield because I don't want my attire to prevent me from carrying. And in this crazy state of California, I can't afford to print even though I do have a CCW.

But I went and added a crimson trace laser to my Ruger 380 and now can't use the Recluse anymore and will probably windup selling it. Really liked the fact that is traps the trigger on the 380 Ruger which doesn't have a safety and makes it safer to have in your pants pocket.

[pilotguy299]

Serpa holds the record for the holster that caused the most negligent discharges. The problem with the Serpa, depending on gun model and finger length) is that it puts the trigger finger near the edge of the frame after the draw and it is very easy for the finger to slip down to the trigger. Might sound absurd, the very long list of NDs with them say it is so. The Serpa is the only holster that I have ever seen banned from training classes (other than cross draw and shoulder holsters due to where the muzzle is pointing.

it's less that, and more that people have begin pulling upwards before pushing in on the release. in most of the instances they curl their finger inwards and use the tip of the finger instead of the pad. when they realize it's not coming out they exert more inwards pressure with the tip of the finger on the release, and when it finally gives the finger heads directly in to the trigger guard and them things go boom.

you want the finger indexed alongside the frame, not be driven in to the trigger guard.

[Davidk]

it's less that, and more that people have begin pulling upwards before pushing in on the release. in most of the instances they curl their finger inwards and use the tip of the finger instead of the pad. when they realize it's not coming out they exert more inwards pressure with the tip of the finger on the release, and when it finally gives the finger heads directly in to the trigger guard and them things go boom.

you want the finger indexed alongside the frame, not be driven in to the trigger guard.

Agreed. The problem is that the Serpa requires the finger to be too low in order to press the lever, hence the finger ends up on the edge of the frame instead of higher up in a safe position.

[Bruce B]

But I went and added a crimson trace laser to my Ruger 380 and now can't use the Recluse anymore and will probably windup selling it. Really liked the fact that is traps the trigger on the 380 Ruger which doesn't have a safety and makes it safer to have in your pants pocket.

My Recluse for the Sig P938 accommodates the CT Laserguard. They may make a model for the Ruger with Laserguard as well. But yes, I can see where you original Recluse won't work with it.

[seadog]

My Recluse for the Sig P938 accommodates the CT Laserguard. They may make a model for the Ruger with Laserguard as well. But yes, I can see where you original Recluse won't work with it.

That short little barrel on that 380 Ruger, you need all the help you can get to hit your target, just a slight movement and you off the thing. It needs that laser to really help you out hitting something. Being older than dirt doesn't help either, not as steady as I used to be.

[F6B1911]

That short little barrel on that 380 Ruger, you need all the help you can get to hit your target, just a slight movement and you off the thing. It needs that laser to really help you out hitting something. Being older than dirt doesn't help either, not as steady as I used to be.

Yeah,
I'm not sure why the firearm manufacturers work so hard to make smaller and smaller options.
Some of the current concealed options are too small to be used by your average citizen, unless they can make weekly trips to the range to practice.
Anything smaller than a G26/G27 requires a decent amount of skill, control, practice, etc.
Not sure the average CCW license holder could handle themselves in a confrontational situation under stress and come out unscathed.
Either that or my hands are too big.

[53driver]

Yeah,
I'm not sure why the firearm manufacturers work so hard to make smaller and smaller options.
Some of the current concealed options are too small to be used by your average citizen, unless they can make weekly trips to the range to practice.
Anything smaller than a G26/G27 requires a decent amount of skill, control, practice, etc.
Not sure the average CCW license holder could handle themselves in a confrontational situation under stress and come out unscathed.
Either that or my hands are too big.

For large hands? I like my Glock 30SF. The staggered magazine fattens the grip nicely and makes the reach for the trigger more natural and not an exercise in micro-ergonomics.
It's very comfortable and conceals fairly well.
Oh, and it's pretty dang accurate to 15 yards.
At 25 yards it seems to get a bit more random (paper plate size groupings) but how often is that going to be a requirement in self-defense?
Cheers,
Steve

[seadog]

For large hands? I like my Glock 30SF. The staggered magazine fattens the grip nicely and makes the reach for the trigger more natural and not an exercise in micro-ergonomics.
It's very comfortable and conceals fairly well.
Oh, and it's pretty dang accurate to 15 yards.
At 25 yards it seems to get a bit more random (paper plate size groupings) but how often is that going to be a requirement in self-defense?
Cheers,
Steve

Actually Steve a plate size grouping isn't at all bad, if your going to shoot someone, putting rounds close to the same hole doesn't accomplish what your trying to do, to stop the guy from returning fire, the more holes you put in him in a random order the better your chances of putting him on the ground and unable to return fire. Hitting the same spot doesn't produce the results you need in a gun fight. Pepper that SOB in as many spots as possible! and OH Boy can I hit a lot of spots with that 380 Ruger and don't have to worry about putting them in the same hole!

[53driver]

Actually Steve a plate size grouping isn't at all bad, if your going to shoot someone, putting rounds close to the same hole doesn't accomplish what your trying to do, to stop the guy from returning fire, the more holes you put in him in a random order the better your chances of putting him on the ground and unable to return fire. Hitting the same spot doesn't produce the results you need in a gun fight. Pepper that SOB in as many spots as possible! and OH Boy can I hit a lot of spots with that 380 Ruger and don't have to worry about putting them in the same hole!

I share my bed with a National Pistol Champion, so groupings matter in our household!
But there are limitations on shorter barreled carry weapons that she doesn't have with her match-grade 7+ inch barreled toys.

With my carry weapons, at 5-15 yards, I train for tight groups (2-3") so that when the adrenalin is flowing, my muscle memory and body alignment will keep those rounds honest.
I need to refresh the tactical skill set though.
I need to schedule a trip to Colorado and visit an old friend.

Cheers,
Steve

[Davidk]

Actually Steve a plate size grouping isn't at all bad, if your going to shoot someone, putting rounds close to the same hole doesn't accomplish what your trying to do, to stop the guy from returning fire, the more holes you put in him in a random order the better your chances of putting him on the ground and unable to return fire. Hitting the same spot doesn't produce the results you need in a gun fight. Pepper that SOB in as many spots as possible! and OH Boy can I hit a lot of spots with that 380 Ruger and don't have to worry about putting them in the same hole!


This is correct. When defensive shooting, small groups only hits flesh that has already destroyed. Shoot for groups about the size of an open hand

[Bruce B]

That short little barrel on that 380 Ruger, you need all the help you can get to hit your target, just a slight movement and you off the thing. It needs that laser to really help you out hitting something. Being older than dirt doesn't help either, not as steady as I used to be.

Pushing 74, I too am familiar with the issues faced by aging shooters. The difficulties of stiff recoil springs and arthritic hands are one reason I like my Sig P238 & 938 so much. Great guns and much lighter recoil springs than most of the alternatives.

[53driver]

I've not pondered that concept, and it made me think a bit....
Should I lose my eyeglasses in a scuffle, I would definitely be relying on body alignment and muscle memory as I couldn't find a sight if I had to.

[willtill]

I've not pondered that concept, and it made me think a bit....
Should I lose my eyeglasses in a scuffle, I would definitely be relying on body alignment and muscle memory as I couldn't find a sight if I had to.

Contact lenses :yes: Best invention since sliced bread.

[seadog]

Contact lenses :yes: Best invention since sliced bread.

The doctor that did my cataract surgery gave me back my 20 year old eyesight, I was just amazed at how bad my eyes had gotten when I had 20-20 vision back. Definitely helps watching for critters on that F6B and has improved my aim a hundred fold.
The funny part is that you have practiced most of your life trying to hit the bulls eye, and then you get into concealed carry training and they tell you that you have been doing it all wrong. Because putting rounds into the same place doesn't help your situation in a gun fight. It dawns on you that they know what their doing and you don't. Its and eye opener for sure and now you have to try and not hit the bulls eye every time you shoot and should spread your shots out to cover more of the target. Its a different concept for sure.

[53driver]

The doctor that did my cataract surgery gave me back my 20 year old eyesight, I was just amazed at how bad my eyes had gotten when I had 20-20 vision back. Definitely helps watching for critters on that F6B and has improved my aim a hundred fold.
The funny part is that you have practiced most of your life trying to hit the bulls eye, and then you get into concealed carry training and they tell you that you have been doing it all wrong. Because putting rounds into the same place doesn't help your situation in a gun fight. It dawns on you that they know what their doing and you don't. Its and eye opener for sure and now you have to try and not hit the bulls eye every time you shoot and should spread your shots out to cover more of the target. Its a different concept for sure.

And I fully get that idea. No worries. I'm 'assuming' based on previous training that when :hitfan: my added adrenalin/nervousness will spread out my groups more than adequately.
I just don't want them spreading too far and going astray.

[willtill]

The doctor that did my cataract surgery gave me back my 20 year old eyesight, I was just amazed at how bad my eyes had gotten when I had 20-20 vision back. Definitely helps watching for critters on that F6B and has improved my aim a hundred fold.
The funny part is that you have practiced most of your life trying to hit the bulls eye, and then you get into concealed carry training and they tell you that you have been doing it all wrong. Because putting rounds into the same place doesn't help your situation in a gun fight. It dawns on you that they know what their doing and you don't. Its and eye opener for sure and now you have to try and not hit the bulls eye every time you shoot and should spread your shots out to cover more of the target. Its a different concept for sure.

Certainly. Center of mass does not equate to a bulls eye. But... you have to get your rounds on target.

[seadog]

Certainly. Center of mass does not equate to a bulls eye. But... you have to get your rounds on target.

I am sure that being in a gun fight with the adrenalin flowing will spread your shots out adequately and hopefully not let them go to far afield that you miss completely. Practice, Practice, Practice, does it every time.

[willtill]

I am sure that being in a gun fight with the adrenalin flowing will spread your shots out adequately and hopefully not let them go to far afield that you miss completely. Practice, Practice, Practice, does it every time.

I am sure that in an actual gun fight (and for all of the reasons you mentioned) you will miss the target as well. Practice with someone shooting live ammo at you. That is the missing variable that will tell you how well you will do. Then you will know for sure. :shhh:

[seadog]

I am sure that in an actual gun fight (and for all of the reasons you mentioned) you will miss the target as well. Practice with someone shooting live ammo at you. That is the missing variable that will tell you how well you will do. Then you will know for sure. :shhh:

None of us has to deal with that scenario, but it is wise to be prepared just in case you are!

[stroguy]

I am sure that in an actual gun fight (and for all of the reasons you mentioned) you will miss the target as well. Practice with someone shooting live ammo at you. That is the missing variable that will tell you how well you will do. Then you will know for sure. :shhh:

Are you willing to help dog with his further training?

[willtill]

Are you willing to help dog with his further training?

Sure. With rubber bullets :icon_mrgreen:

[stroguy]

Sure. With rubber bullets :icon_mrgreen:

Just think about marshmallow bullets. That would be sweet.

[seadog]

Just think about marshmallow bullets. That would be sweet.

You guys are certifiable? Crazy as a bunch of loons for sure. Marshmallow bullits WTF

[stroguy]

Who looks silly now dog?

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[BIGLRY]

You guys are certifiable? Crazy as a bunch of loons for sure. Marshmallow bullits WTF
If your into a big Marshmallow shooter this is your baby.:icon_mrgreen:
http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/camo-mazooka-marshmallow-bazooka.jpg

Now if the shotgun is more to your liking then this is the one.:shock:
http://whyihateeverything.com/images/products/nerfbullets/marshmallowshooter.jpg

I personally...since I am trying to lose weight prefer something that uses smaller ammo and since I'm not legally allowed to own a firearm I like the bow & arrow concept.:icon_lol:
https://images.vat19.com/bow-and-mallow/marshmallow-bow-mallow-ammo.jpg

[stroguy]

Now imagine how much fun you could have at the monkey exhibit at the zoo with one of those weapons? Ah the horror.

[BIGLRY]

Now imagine how much fun you could have at the monkey exhibit at the zoo with one of those weapons? Ah the horror.Hummm I don't know. The monkeys in the zoo around here are pretty hard core, they never seem to run out of ammo. I think you would lose a fire fight with them.
http://www.netanimations.net/Moving-animated-picture-of-monkey-shooting-a-gun.gif

[Steve 0080]

I am sure that in an actual gun fight (and for all of the reasons you mentioned) you will miss the target as well. Practice with someone shooting live ammo at you. That is the missing variable that will tell you how well you will do. Then you will know for sure. :shhh:


None of us has to deal with that scenario, but it is wise to be prepared just in case you are!



Some of us have.... Kinda funny some of the posts. The true measure of a man is when the bullets are coming back at you. I had an old LT. tell me one time that anyone can stand and shoot at targets with a hand in his back pocket enjoying the day...a whole lot different when they start coming back!

On another note has anyone noticed how much ammo Was Mart now has on the shelves?

[seadog]

Some of us have.... Kinda funny some of the posts. The true measure of a man is when the bullets are coming back at you. I had an old LT. tell me one time that anyone stand and shoot at targets with hand in his back pocket enjoying the day...a whole lot different when they start coming back!

On another note has anyone noticed how much ammo Was Mart now has on the shelves?

I haven't notice wally worlds supply of ammo as I shop at a gun store for ammo so I wouldn't have noticed. What alarmed you about their supply?

[ths61]

Walmarts in the PRK will most likely stop carrying ammo at the end of the year due to new anti-2A regulations, restrictions and costly liberal bureaucratic overhead (sorry, costly and liberal was redundant).

They are making it too hard for vendors to sell ammo and more expensive for customers to buy it (ammo background checks and costly purchase permits). Internet sales of ammo has been made illegal as well as importing ammo into the state.

Beware, this sh*t starts in the West and spreads East.

[53driver]

Walmarts in the PRK will most likely stop carrying ammo at the end of the year due to new anti-2A regulations, restrictions and costly liberal bureaucratic overhead (sorry, costly and liberal was redundant).

They are making it too hard for vendors to sell ammo and more expensive for customers to buy it (ammo background checks and costly purchase permits). Internet sales of ammo has been made illegal as well as importing ammo into the state.

Beware, this sh*t starts in the West and spreads East.

It won't get through Arizona, so it will take a northerly route via Oregon, Colorado, then Minnesota, Illinois, etc.....
By the time it loops southerly again, Trump will be on his second term and the PRK will have fallen into the Pacific.....

[53driver]

Some of us have.... Kinda funny some of the posts. The true measure of a man is when the bullets are coming back at you. I had an old LT. tell me one time that anyone stand and shoot at targets with hand in his back pocket enjoying the day...a whole lot different when they start coming back!

On another note has anyone noticed how much ammo Was Mart now has on the shelves?

Aye. No fun. Being held up at gunpoint ain't cool either.
...never again...

[Steve 0080]

I haven't notice wally worlds supply of ammo as I shop at a gun store for ammo so I wouldn't have noticed. What alarmed you about their supply?



I limit my purchases from guns stores to a minimum. When I do venture into their door they're also a wholesaler to Police. Walmart has the BEST prices on ammo !!!!! As to what is different now as compared to 2 years ago....There was NO ammo to be bought. When they got some in there were people waiting for it a bought it all.

This was during the time the USA was buying most if not all the 9's, 45 and 223 and whatever else they're stockpiling. Research that bit of info and you will stay up late at night !!!



http://www.bhgunrack.com

[willtill]

Walmarts in the PRK will most likely stop carrying ammo at the end of the year due to new anti-2A regulations, restrictions and costly liberal bureaucratic overhead (sorry, costly and liberal was redundant).

They are making it too hard for vendors to sell ammo and more expensive for customers to buy it (ammo background checks and costly purchase permits). Internet sales of ammo has been made illegal as well as importing ammo into the state.

Beware, this sh*t starts in the West and spreads East.


http://i67.tinypic.com/vcscw4.jpg

[53driver]

I limit my purchases from guns stores to a minimum. When I do venture into their door they're also a wholesaler to Police. Walmart has the BEST prices on ammo !!!!! As to what is different now as compared to 2 years ago....There was NO ammo to be bought. When they got some in there were people waiting for it a bought it all.

This was during the time the USA was buying most if not all the 9's, 45 and 223 and whatever else they're stockpiling. Research that bit of info and you will stay up late at night !!!

For clarification, he is referring to the Federal Government, not citizens of the USA.

[Steve 0080]

All I can say is WOW.... Just when you thought the folks were through shooting each other for the year.... Chicago kills 27 Christmas weekend !!!

I have seen a lot of stuff, but after reading this article I may need therapy ...3100 victims shot so far, the year ain't over yet and 745 dead!!!



W/O stirring the pot to much... if you removed 3-4 cities from our national crime stats we would be one of the safest countries in the world !!!

[stroguy]

What were the other 54,999,973 handgun owners in the US doing?

[F6B1911]

All I can say is WOW.... Just when you thought the folks were through shooting each other for the year.... Chicago kills 27 Christmas weekend !!!
.......


Chicago? I think that's where hope and change got its start.

[sharkey]

All I can say is WOW.... Just when you thought the folks were through shooting each other for the year.... Chicago kills 27 Christmas weekend !!!

I have seen a lot of stuff, but after reading this article I may need therapy ...3100 victims shot so far, the year ain't over yet and 745 dead!!!



W/O stirring the pot to much... if you removed 3-4 cities from our national crime stats we would be one of the safest countries in the world !!!

Saw the thread, cycles owners and gun owners are often one in the same. :icon_biggrin: If the DOJ pursued more cases of felon in possession, they could save more lives in Chitown. The NRA has pointed out that those prosecutions have gone down the past 8 years.

As for CCW, TX has OC and I just had a jacket over my G17 yesterday on a ride. Appendix carry is a favorite of mine and I swear by FIST Holsters out of NY. I have a #1 ultra thin kydex with metal clip for almost every EDC gun I own.

[Spanky]

I'm still a fan of clipdraw systems. http://clipdraw.com/

One on every CCW I own, Especially on the S&W MP .40 It does require an overshirt, as the backstrap shows. Wear it with shorts, pants, or sitting under the steering wheel of my truck.

[stroguy]

Ole Keanu can sling some lead. Good to see Hollywood at the range.

https://youtu.be/tpr8oqyjKIc

Can't say I am a fan of this holster or the form after draw, but it's cool to see someone performing in depth practice. Whether it be for film or home defense, training, training ,training makes for good use of the weapon you plan to use.

https://youtu.be/6GJ6rrIIg4w

[willtill]

This is an interesting product, for carrying/concealing:

https://urbancarryholsters.com/

[sharkey]

Walmarts in the PRK will most likely stop carrying ammo at the end of the year due to new anti-2A regulations, restrictions and costly liberal bureaucratic overhead (sorry, costly and liberal was redundant).

They are making it too hard for vendors to sell ammo and more expensive for customers to buy it (ammo background checks and costly purchase permits). Internet sales of ammo has been made illegal as well as importing ammo into the state.

Beware, this sh*t starts in the West and spreads East.

People in Cali, keep voting for that (yeah I know it is the folks in LA, San. Fran. and San Diego) I am more than happy to lose CA as part of the US. TX could then deport all the immigrants from CA. You'll don't seem content to just wreck your state.

[stroguy]

Wonder if you can fly it in on an airline flight ala Ft Lauderdale screwball?