The total weight decrease will deliver the same fuel economy.
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As my 2013 F6B-Deluxe is custom painted, Mustang lower seat, Cobra pipes, K&N filter, Kuryakyn grips, glove box cover, and other "bling", is paid for, I will keep it for now unless I find $25,000 lying around somewhere....I really like the new models, but not enough at this point to back into debt.....JMHO
The older Goldwing in the video has a windshield wiper. I have never seen that before.
They talk about better wind protection from their new shield (which has been already accomplished by MadStad).
They talk about eliminating the nose dive (which has already been accomplished by Traxxion).
No discussion if they fixed the handlebar position (which has already been accomplished by adjustable risers).
4 hour trunk removal is a no-op. No running, brake, turn signals on trunk is another questionable choice.
If the 6th gear is not an overdrive, see no need for it, just extra work.
26% less storage capacity.
I was hoping for better fuel range and the appearance from the picts don't grab me, maybe seeing it in real life will be different.
I don't see much there that would tempt me to buy one over my currently modded F6B. May let others be the point men on discovering the potential new model gremlins (including the longevity of the sleeved cylinders).
Japanese Goldwing. I think the wiper is a JDOT requirement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCc0sQ1ZjQw
Hmmm. I wonder why they are keeping top gear rpms about the same....? Perhaps those revs match up to the engine's power band? Therefore, no need for a shift to pass? The Yamaha TC turns about those r's at 70 mph...but that's wide open for that thing :stirthepot:
20% increase in mpg means that loafers like me should be getting near 50 mpg on the new model. I am leery of fuel mileage claims derived from "testing". They never seem to pan out. I remember Yamaha claiming that their performance four-stroke RX-1 snowmobile would deliver 25 mpg when it was released in 2003. I bought one, and never broke 20 mpg.
I am glad they kept the flat-6. If there's a theme on this and other GW forums, its that the six makes up for a lot of our old bikes' shortcomings, such as the stereo, ABS, cruise, etc. I know that motors are a significant factor in any motorcycle purchase decision, but this one especially. I know its what brought me to the Honda dealer from the Victory dealer.
So, on the DCT models you still have to switch the gears somewhere from the left hand control? I'm asking this because I see a DCT foot shifter (599.95) offered under *Accessories* on the Powersport Honda site? I was under the impression there was no shifting involved at all. I figured you just twisted the throttle and she goes like an automatic trans in a car?
Also, on the DCT model Goldwing I see it comes with *walking/reverse* but the manual doesn't which make no sense too me. Anyway, I guess *walking* assists you while walking the bike forward?
I've already contacted my dealer where I purchased my '16 this past April and they'll be notifying me when it arrives so I could check it out. I must say that I'm intrigued, and will most probably jump on the Matte Majestic Silver!
This new bike looks great and I like that brown color a lot. But my 2016 B is paid off and I will be waiting a while longer before buying a new bike. At least that's what the Minister of Finance said to me!
Does anybody know what that flat retractable thingy on top of the instrument cluster is or does?
I prefer the look of my 15 F6. I'm glad of that since I don't fully own it yet!
The slotted thingy on the top edge ???
https://i0.wp.com/ridermagazine.com/...-web.jpg?w=800
See if this link will work here..
https://powersports.honda.com/2018/gold-wing.aspx
It has a video that I could post just the video link
I've watched a few videos of the first test rides on the race track; no mention of the 180KPH speed limiter. I would have thought that would be apparent to the riders...
Smaller tank and a higher seat. I'll key my F6B for a long time.
No need to shift AT ALL on the DCT. HOWEVER, if you do desire to shift it anyway, there are small levers/buttons on the left grip that let you shift up/down as you want. And you can get a shift kit for your foot if you'd like to use that as well. But it is entirely optional! I have a CTX700 and many days cruising through LA I don't manually shift at all. Up in the mountains, however, I shift quite a bit to make sure I'm in the gear I want for the upcoming corner.
Thank you very much, I appreciate the explanation of the DTC.
When first starting out with DTC do you need to shift down with the lever/button on the left handgrip to 1st gear in order for the trans to engage, or just twist the throttle? In other words, is there a neutral?
I just found this article on how the DCT works right before your post, but it doesn't answer my question above. Being you have hands on experience with DCT, I figured I'd ask.
Thank you very much,
Joe
It's possible, but it lifts up an inch or two and stays horizontal ... odd position for a vent, plus it has no louvers. Wingstuff thinks it might be some kind of sensor. Anyway, I'm going to the official presentation at Honda HQ in Torrance tomorrow, so I'll ask if somebody knows.
Looks pretty much like a vent to me, and if it goes up/down an 1" or 2" maybe it's to direct the wind at your face or not. I'm thinking it could also be to deflect the wind coming under the backside of the screen, maybe. Anyway, can't wait to read your impressions after going to the HQ in Torrance tomorrow!
It's a little thing, but I like the Homelink garage door opener which is now a built in option :yes:
What I originally saw must have been a mis-print. It doesn't make any sense to add a gear without lowering the rpms.
The more correct info shows top gear at 60mph will be at about 2000 rpms, vs 2550. Yea!!!! BTW, this was calculated by someone. There is a graph in this link that clearly shows top gear is a whole step above our old top gear.
http://www.hondaprokevin.com/picture...00-tour-79.jpg
The DCT version will probably downshift instantly whenever you goose it. The manual version will of course need our input.
Here is a new to me link with some of this:
http://www.hondaprokevin.com/2018-ho...automatic-bike
So, higher top gear, smaller bags, better gas mileage, more power, lighter bike, better looking seat, too many electronics - everything I could want. I'm thinking Tour model with trunk removal kit. Don't know about DCT vs manual.
I don't believe the trunk has a "removal kit" but it is removable, and supposedly it takes some time to remove the trunk.
I'm also unsure which trans I'm going to get being only the DCT Goldwing comes with walking/reverse mode which I would like to have. Another thing I've been thinking about is both the BMW1600B/Goldwing DCT are the same price, but the BMW has quite a few more features, +170HP.
I didn't have a graph of the manual transmission. The first five gears are the same as our bikes. The sixth gear is an extra full step more, lowering the RPM's about 20%. If someone does not want to use the 6th gear, they don't have too.
I too think the same thing could have been done with 5 speeds and just spreading them out. But, there are others who will disagree. :icon_wink:
The DCT put an extra gear in the lower speeds. I think it is more than needed. But, since it is automatic, it won't even be noticed most of the time.
Trivia: DCT 7 = MT 6. DCT 6 = MT 5. DCT 5 = MT 4. DCT 4 ~ MT 3. The lower gears are where the difference is and the DCT adds an extra gear. BTW DCT 6 & MT 5 = Our 5th gear.
Some guys on another site were comparing gear ratios (primary, engine side final and wheel side final). Here is some of it. Makes sense to me ...
Using the specs listed here. It looks like 60 mph should be around 1943 rpm in 6th gear. 5th gear currently 2470?
https://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-honda-gold-wing/6/
6th gear .522 Primary 1.795 Engine Side Final .972 Wheel side final 2.615
Wheel Diameter 24.7
RPM= (Final Ratio*MPH*336)/Tire Diameter
(.522*1.795*.972*2.615)=2.381
(2.381* 60*336)/24.7 = 1943.35 ish
Thanks for the link. Looks like the Manual 4th, 5th and 6th is the same as the DCT 5th, 6th and 7th.
(DCT) 1st: 2.167 2nd: 1.696 3rd: 1.304 4th: 1.038 5th: 0.821 6th: 0.667 7th: 0.522 Rev: 1.190
(MT) 1st: 2.200 2nd: 1.417 3rd: 1.036 4th: 0.821 5th: 0.667 6th: 0.522
Nope. Just flick the switch to drive (or sport) from Neutral and you're good to go! Just like shifting a car from park or neutral into drive. Then it is totally automatic. Flick back to neutral before turning the bike off - just like putting a car into park. That's all you need! The DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) takes care of everything else for you.
I wouldn't be surprised if the gear ratios for the manual are different than the DCT - cover the same range, but one fewer gear. The DCT and manual version of the CTX700 have the same gears, but the sprocket ratios are different. The reason is the DCT can shift really quickly, so you can keep the engine in the "sweet spot" easier with fast shift (or, in the case of the new wing - more gears). That gives fuel economy gains as well as performance gains - at the same time.