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Incentives of Constitutional Rights has long history of abuse and wrong interpratations .
Since Americans are controlled by unqualified , mostly uneducated "power hungry" law enforcement - ( and corrupt to the bone System ) , liberty will not survive the modern trends in policing. Growing crime is its best example of it and that's why the very character of American society is at stake.
Second Amendment gave privileges to the citizens , guaranteeing the rights to keep and bear arms as necessary to maintain a state militia. In June 1776, Declaration of Independence pronounced that "a well regulated Militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free State." , but in fact played an important part in the colonization of America and later to curb the slaves for possibility of uprising . In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, European colonists relied heavily on firearms to take land away from Native Americans and repel attacks by Native Americans and Europeans. Around the time of the Revolutionary War, male citizens were required to own firearms for fighting against the British forces. It would be very wrong to apply all of this to the modern times.
... and the problem is , that :
In present time ,Third Amendment have fundamentally altered the balance of power between the citizen and the state. in a way that would have been seen as constitutionally invalid by the Founders. Again - wrong interpratation , due to bully characterization of "rights" implemented to the real life .
Those , who live in understandable fear should rather be afraid of incoming militarization of American Police Forces , who already using unconstitutional tactics to maintain stability in morally destroyed society . We can expect more killings ( including those in the back ) , to keep falsely represented orders , where individually own guns can't and will not match theirs .
Do you want to learn more and open your eyes wider , read also this book , which might de-falsify your sense of security , so deeply rooted in not so obvious believes .
To say that law enforcement is unqualified, uneducated, and "power hungry" is a very (very) limited and skewed viewpoint IMO.
There are almost a million cops on the streets in America, who handle tens of millions of community interactions per year. Tens of millions. To cast such a broad generalization based on examples that make up a tiny fraction of a single percentage is incorrect to say the least.
The vast majority of cops are well trained, highly educated, and very professional.
It's a difficult, difficult position.
Even though I believe my post above about cops in general, any entity that can have complete control over your freedom and that can use lethal force against you needs to be 100% right all the time... and that is definitely not the case, no matter how statistically rare.
We do need strong counterbalance to the agencies that are run by fool hardy execs prone to bad decisions. The way the ATF ran rough-shod over David Koresh was a bit of an eye opener. It's a good thing to ponder and consider the militarization of police departments and question the need and policies and controls, and I wouldn't call anyone who does so a conspirasist; I'd call them a realist.
George makes a very good point. Can you imagine nationwide how many altercations take place daily between law enforcement and suspects. Probably in the thousands. And yet very little of this happens. I'm not holding up for the cop , but like Ken I'm interested in the rest of the story.
Limoles...Since Americans are controlled by unqualified , mostly uneducated "power hungry" law enforcement - ( and corrupt to the bone System ) , liberty will not survive the modern trends in policing. Growing crime is its best example of it and that's why the very character of American society is at stake."
Did you write this, copy and paste or believe this statement ?
Since my very early age , I was and am still passionate reader . Beside my never ending studies of technology , or discoveries of advanced science and adopted foreign languages , I love the history of the world and constantly learn about socio-ethnical transitions , associated to its changes. I do not follow biased information from American TV and never trust politicians ( who run and control it ). I do not belong to any political group , but I proudly vote and am very active in community services . I do read dayly international news from many sources . Most importantly - I do not follow to anybodies philosophy of life and I'm always positively charged .
But , I do not accept dramatic changes of the world's downfall and cultural decline of many values . As I stated in my previous threads , I can see the reasons of it . Is no such a thing , like a perfect system , but capitalism in its present form brought devastated inefficiencies to family unity , followed by social , cultural and ethical disintegration . Whatever I stated above , comes from my mind and coded thoughts , which findings do not play speculative role , or copy anybodies minds . Some of them can interfere with popularly practiced adoration of others ( + 1s ) , but this is best example of my individuality . I do not clap anybodies backs and do not kiss their rears . You might say I'm weird and it does not always works . So what ? Loving my liberties , doesn't mean I'm liberal . They are two completely different factors . I do not believe in organized religion , as an another source of conflict . Always seeking spiritual uplifting , which helps me to understand others . Fair enough ?
I also know , that among our group are many ex , or active cops and maybe some lawyers , but trying not to challenge their integrity . They might play by the rules and can be model citizens . But the rules are not always the same , especially if its applications are submissive to the regional and traditionally compliant habits by the self judgmental and vastly practiced absolutism . Americans are deeply divided and guns do not help them to unite . Today anybody can be an enemy and according to the growing social separation , conflicts are associated to majoritie's behavior . That's the social character of modern , full of tensions life , which can not be solved by violence or counter-reactive forces . It simply doesn't work . If you tell me , what kind of solution to it can cure growing crime in such a im-proportional scale , I'll gladly continue to chat and provide endless samples of my analysis .
Soooooooo the answer is all three...WOW!!!! After all that and your pervasive ability to demean the moral fiber which I also guarded for others...you sir NEED to buy a gun! And WHY do you live in this country and not one more to your liking ?
The answer is simple - I don't need the gun to be able to survive . Being against any form of violence , I also learned and found the ways to avoid it . Unfortunately your question WHY is a stereotyped and could contradict with your expectations . You could rather ask HOW and in my repost it could open all content of Pandora box . Would you like to read it , or simply one strong kick will do it better ?
The great thing about any democratic country (and forum) is freedom of speech.
One can always choose to walk away if one doesn't like to read/hear contrary views and beliefs.
Let 'er rip!
Bird we just don't care for Nazi's , Commie's , and tree huggers infiltrating the ranks. To accuse law enforcement in general shows ignorance. Walk a mile in their shoes before you speak.
Two things will be present in American society for as long as it lasts. Racism and hand guns. Lets hope the F6B will be the third.
PATRIOTS. That's who WE are bird. This is the only country that has them. WE are what keeps this country free. If you think that a gun in every pocket and in every closet doesn't help keep a country free , ask a Chinese citizen. Or a Russian citizen. The military are patriots also. They carry the torch.
That's a funny thing. I've spent some time in China, in Hong Kong and further north in Guangzhou.
Hong Kong has had a taste of freedom due to prior British rule and the western influence is readily apparent; both by seeing stores like 7-Eleven and Pizza Hut but also in something intangible in the people themselves, you might call it a mindset. People seem relaxed and comfortable talking about anything.
The "real" Chinese in places on the mainland like Guangzhou are a stark contrast. There are things you DON'T talk about, things you DON'T say, and behaviors that you DON'T do. There seems to be a clear fear of reprimand from authorities. These people, just like us, go about their daily lives trying to make a living and trying to enjoy their lives... and they do, they just don't have the same protections from the government that we in western countries have.
Frankly, the Chinese system works for them, and that carries weight considering they've been doing this for thousands of years longer than us. They don't give a second thought about lack of gun ownership... and they don't have rampant crime rates, but I think this is due to the government literally being able to whisk you away on a whim. This scares people straight. There are many many many stories of "dissidents" who spoke too loudly and were made to disappear after getting a visit from Party personnel. Sometimes you'll see them again after a decade or two, other times never.
The link between gun ownership and crime goes much further than a two-dimensional, black and white discussion. Banning guns *clearly* works and is fine in some parts of the world... but you can't take one aspect of one society and expect to apply it successfully in other societies that have vastly different inputs into the equation.
Ah the luxury the government has dispatching the principles of the 1A and 2A. There's a reason they came first and second in the Bill of Rights. PS, guns aren't banned in China..........the government has tons of them. And they wouldn't have a second thought about turning them on their citizens. As well as Somalia, Cuba, Russia,Venezuela and on and on and on.
Agree.
I found something that was absolutely incredulous and mind-blowing... most Chinese have no clue about Tiananmen Square; they just don't know it ever happened. This is true even now, in this great "information age" that we live in.
Some Chinese do know about it, and when I brought it up in conversation they looked like they just seen a ghost; a polite smile and a nod and the subject was quickly changed.
Very inaccurate statement .
Chinese , by law restrictions have NO RIGHTS to criticize their own government , so their "polite smile" was the sign of gentle , but perfect attempt to stop , or derailed such a uncomfortable for them question.
To assure you , that these people , who are on top of another countries in education , know and found the better systems to use their intellectual weapons against enemies , applying much more lethal blows than guns. If you didn't know yet , what consequences of "information age" wars cost our treasury , get back to Pentagon's reports , where millions of highly classified files and US military secrets were stolen by Chinese teenagers for benefit of tactical leverage between our countries . This is also a subject of my study , which I can share with those , who might be interested .
Not sure what you think is inaccurate; your interpretation of their "polite smile" is exactly the point I was trying to make; that was their way of derailing the conversation. As you may know China has a very restrictive internet filter controlled by their government, but many Chinese do travel internationally... and I wonder what they think when they see an unfiltered internet. I'm sure many think that stories like Tiananman are fictional propaganda created by the West.
Electronic espionage and theft is a battle that has been ongoing for quite some time... very very dangerous and potent indeed. Idk about Chinese teenagers lol but every major government in the world spends big money in this area. And not just for spying and stealing, but physical damage too, things like what Stuxnet did... a digital WEAPON.
Let's look at China's military budget and ponder if they think real guns and bombs still make a difference:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z...2520budget.jpg
Since China's trade surplus hits new record as exports grow , they have enough our $$$ to increase military spendings . WE DO NOT !!! ... and that's the big problem .
Is this a good segway to circle the conversation to the deterrent posed by an armed citizenry?
Or is it a deterrent at all?
When military minds draw plans to invade a country, how much of a consideration is this?
We could always lesson our spending on military and give it to the folks riding in the wagon, that would make us a nicer nation...
I would much rather talk with you folks about motorcycles and riding! A good way to run off folks is to start talking politics and religion on a motorcycle forum. I have spent the last 34 years of my life defending my and your way of life in this great country, be it 22 yrs active duty Marine Corps and 12 years contracting and deploying with the Marine Corps. I don't care to discuss or debate gun control, birth control, or any other bs agenda on this site. ......I want to talk and read about motorcycles, rides, mechanics, etc....Probably gonna piss some folks off with this statement....so be it.
It just takes not clicking on the post. I do the same with MSNBC and CNN, just don't go there. Plenty of motorcycle talk here. Best way to avoid this is don't punch the new posts button but go directly to the area of most desire. Thanks for your service jarhead. I as well served proudly in the country club military, USAF.
You can always go to the MC section if the forum. You see , the F6B is the topic of the forum. However you are in the Off Topic Experiment section. In this section we talk about other things than the F6B. Its legal in this section. Don't click on the OTE and you won't have to endure our drivel.
These threads are like a car wreck though... it's hard not to look :icon_biggrin: