Did anyone have and aftermarket cruise control installed yet? I just can not have a bike without it. But I just love this bike. AAAHHHHHH
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Did anyone have and aftermarket cruise control installed yet? I just can not have a bike without it. But I just love this bike. AAAHHHHHH
Went with a throttle lock. Biught mine from Throttlemeister. Very pleased with it. Looks and works great!
NO real cruise yet, Hoping Pete gets it done soon. Like you I am missing mine more than I thought I would.
Throttle lock devices simply don't work here in the mountains.
Throttlemeister for me too until a full cruise is available. My TM is so much better than nothing at all. It works great with this bike - even pulling a trailer.
Russ
I bought the new Aluminum go cruise! works good for me .
I have successfully installed a Rostra cuise contol on the F6B. It was a difficult task, but it certainly doable. The cruise engages smoothly & holds speeds within a mile an hour or so. Due to local traffic conditions, I've only been able to test it between 40 & 60 mph.
Interesting.......
Great minds think alike it seems :clap2: did you pickup the speed pulse direct from the bike or did you have to use a multiplier/divider what are your DIP settings
We went side ways with the mount allows for the heated grip switches
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Making this part for the throttle body
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Not fully fitted needs a 7mm thread extender
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Cable routes around the front
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If you'll notice, my throttle body lever is bent with an offset, so that it fits within the recess in the stock throttle cable rotary arm. My throttle arm is .060. I removed the stock lock washer & used a star washer, which is much thinner than the stock washer. I reused the stock nut.
I mounted my cruise control the way I did so that i could access the dip switches easier. I had to move the wire attachments for the heated grips. I still have room for the heated grips controller & I can get the radiator cap off if I have to.
For the speed signal, I tapped into the VS wire near where it goes into the ECM. It's the white wire w/black stripe (#A10) on the Black connector. I used a X4 frequency divider between the VS wire and the Rostra unit. I was never able to actually determine the "pluses per mile", but it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 70,000 to 75,000. The VS signal is picked up off of the counter shaft 4th gear, which has 27 teeth and the engine turns 3250 @ 60 mph. 27 X 3250 = 87750. If I knew the gear reduction between the engine crankshaft & the counter shaft, the exact pulses per mile could be calculated.
I also tapped onto one of the coil driver wires (#A26, A27, or A28) for the RPM signal. This won't give the Rostra unit the exact RPM, but it doesn't matter, because the Rostra unit monitors the "rate of RPM change" for safety purposes if the clutch is pulled in or the transmission is knocked out of gear somehow.
The dip switch settings I used are based on the length of the lever arm and the relative angle that I used as it's attached to the throttle body. My arm has a C-C of 1-1/2" & the angle would be about 4:30 on the clock.
Gain: low
Pulses/Mile: 19,300
Engine/set up: 4 cylinder low
VSS Source: Square wave
Tranmission: Manual
Control Sw: Open
Great work now everyone can stop bugging me to make the kit just need to tell them which pulse divider
We still love you Pete! :icon_mrgreen:
The pulse divider is available from Rostra. Part #250-4379.
After some further testing, I find that I get a check engine light, indicating a VS error in the ecm. This seems to occur randomly. Everything, including the speedo, continues to function normally. Obviously, I have more work to do.
Barry
The rain finally stopped. More testing of the cruise control today. I have solved the "VS" check engine error by inserting a 4.7K ohm resister in series with the VS input to the pulse divider. I put nearly 100 miles on the bike with varying terrain & varying "set" speeds up to 75 mph. The cruise works perfectly & holds the speed to + or - 1 mph.
Barry
You are the man!
Now come do mine?
The cruise has a minimum "set" speed built into the control unit's software. The min. "set" speed is determined from the pulse count per mile that you set in the unit. For example, if the actual pulse count is 20,000 pulses per mile & you set the Rostra unit @ 24,000 pulses per mile, the unit will see it's minimum "set speed" sooner (lower speed) than if the correct pulses per mile were set. Conversely, if you program the unit to a pulses per mile lower than actual pulse count, the minimum "set" speed will be higher.
I do not believe that the cruise unit has a max. speed programed into it. I have only tested mine to 75mph & it worked fine at that speed. When I get a clear day I'll try it at a higher speed. GA has a "super speeder" fine that is on top of any local speeding fine. 20 mph over the posted limit or 85 mph gets you this extra fine of $250.00.
The Rostra unit has a maximum mechanical pull of 1-5/8". So, depending on your throttle arm length, and the amount of slack in the cable at idle, the unit may not have enough mechanical travel to pull the throttle open far enough to maintain very high speeds, especially with steeper hills and heaver loads (ie: pulling a trailer). My throttle arm has a center to center length of slightly over 1-1/2", which gives me a total pull length of about 2-1/8". Therefore, in my case, it's impossible for the cruise control to fully open the throttle. However, my guess is that it'll maintain speeds up to 85 or 90 mph, which is faster than I normally ride.
Barry
You guys are either very smart or I am really dumb. You lost me at pulse modulators. Good job on getting it worked out! Now we need it as a kit.
When can we expect a set of instructions and a parts list? A cruise is the one thing keeping the F6B from being the perfect bike.
For those who have asked, the parts that I used to install the Rostra Cruise Control on my F6B are as follows;
Rostra universal cruise control kit 250-1223
Rostra control unit 250-3592
Rostra pulse divider (divide by 4) 250-4379
Hela spst 12v relay 933332107
Holley carb stud 20-40
Dorman cable stop 03337
The above listed items are available from Summit Racing. In addition to the above listed items, the following will be needed;
HONDA Service Manual
4.7K ohm resister 1/2 watt
Tie wraps
Heat shrink tubing
Wire terminals
Solder & Soldering equipment
You will need to fabricate three (3) brackets. A bracket to mount the cruise Servo, a bracket to mount the control switch on the handle bar and a bracket (lever) to mount on the throttle body for the cruise cable. Earlier in this post, PEDRO66 & I posted some pictures of the brackets that we made for this Installation. These pictures should provide you with some ideas on the brackets that will need to be fabricated.
The Rostra kits come with complete instructions on how to install this unit. The wires are all labeled and the Rostra instructions give details as to where these wires are to be connected. You will need to consult the Honda Service Manual to locate the required connection points.
You could also use a Goldwing cruise control handle in lieu of the Rostra control unit. This would make it look more like a "factory" install. The G/W control would probably add $125 or so to the cost and would require some additional research into the wiring requirements.
The installation of a cruise control on this bike is quite involved and will probability test the patience of many. Good Luck!
Barry
:bowdown:
Way outside my skillset though.
Is this install something a dealer could (or would) do?
Thanks for all of your help, I'll start gathering parts and get started on this ASAP.
Ok here it comes...
If the full GoldWings come with a cruise control system, is it possible to take that system and install it on the F6B? I'm assuming the answer is no. I wouldn't think you guys are going through this exercise just because you can.
Is it a fitment problem between the two bikes or cost or design difference between the bagger and the full wing? Or all of the above?
Yes not a problem it can be done electrically/mechanically but really it comes down to cost, unusually Honda actually did change a lot of the wiring harness on the F6B rather than just use what they had on the shelf, even the throttle body is different in the fact that it does not have the second throttle boss for the cruise cable, you can buy it but only as part of the complete assembly or get a used body and strip it down.
By the time you purchased/changed everything you needed to t would be prohibitive for most people, the method detailed here is the most cost effective/functional the only change I would make is to not use the Rostra controller but modify a factor wing right hand control cluster to give the factory look.
I want to provide a little more info on the Rostra control unit for this install. It is not waterproof, therefore, you must waterproof if before the install. You do this by taking the the control apart & carefully sealing it with silicone as you reassemble it. I did this on another m/c and have spent many hours in the rain without any problems.
You can also simplify the installation by using Rostra #250-3593 control unit. The 250-3593 control does not have the "engaged" light, and thus eliminates the requirement to use a relay in the wiring scheme. The control that I used (#250-3592) requires a pos. signal to activate the "engaged" light, whereas, the servo unit outputs a neg. signal when the cruise is engaged.
I agree with PEDRO66 on the use of a G/W control, but for now I'm satisfied with the Rostra control. As I stated earlier, I may look into the use of a G/W control this winter. For now I'm going to ride & enjoy the Summer with my cruise control equipped F6B.
Barry
I want to order the Go Cruise, can't find it locally. Which size do I order? It has a bar size but why does that matter when it mounts to the grip?
I finally found one at a local store. It's the 1" and so far seems to fit fine. I'll test it and post a pic tomorrow.
I purchased a Kaoko and I would have to take the weight out of the end of the grip. It's not that easy. Unless there is a special tool.
How much work is the Throttlemeister to install? Unscrew and screw? If it is, I'll send this Kaoko back and get a Throttlemeister. I'm using a Go Cruise. I just finished a 2700 mile trip and it was useful.
Well, I know one thing now; Vista Cruise won't fit with the heated grips.. :banghead:
Tried out the Go Cruise yesterday. Inexpensive, easy install and easy to use. Takes some messing with it to get the speed where you want and doesn't compensate for hills but for those long flat roads it's nice to rest the right hand for a bit. Best bang for the buck IMO. $20 at my local bike shop.
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