New Tesla Roadster- 0-60 MPH- 1.9 seconds. 620 mile range.

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Originally Posted by opas ride

I personally think Tesla executives are smoking to much funny stuff....Some of the top brass in the auto industry are suggesting that they will be out of business by 2019 as they are burning through way to much cash, battery technology is the same for the entire auto industry and the competition will get worse for them...They have no dealer network and a lot of negatives at this point..Just because their stock is high priced does not guarantee success...There cars are nice, but the average person cannot afford one in most cases. I guess we wait and see what the future brings, but for now, me and mine will stick with a good old internal combustion engine...My Fusion Sport is fast enough to get me trouble!!....Ride safe

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As long as they continue to force taxpayers to foot the bill for both development and sales incentives, they will stay in business.

I would like to see how long they would be in business if they had to do it on their own, like most businesses.

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Originally Posted by ths61

As long as they continue to force taxpayers to foot the bill for both development and sales incentives, they will stay in business.

I would like to see how long they would be in business if they had to do it on their own, like most businesses.

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I'd personally like to see more people get behind and support the technology which has the potential of being more sustainable AND increasing performance.

Jason

I'm not sure I'd consider the Tesla's technology to be more sustainable considering the energy to power the vehicles comes from the same place as our current vehicles. Unless we start building nukes they are still powered by petrochemicals.

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Originally Posted by Heatnbeat

I'm not sure I'd consider the Tesla's technology to be more sustainable considering the energy to power the vehicles comes from the same place as our current vehicles. Unless we start building nukes they are still powered by petrochemicals.

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Musk already announced that Supercharger stations will be converted to solar so they will be off grid. So that narrative isn't going to work much longer.

Jason

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Originally Posted by Verismo

I'd personally like to see more people get behind and support the technology which has the potential of being more sustainable AND increasing performance.

Jason

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But should they be forced to do so against their will ? That is the question.

BHO's list of faltering or bankrupt taxpayer funded green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

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Originally Posted by ths61

But should they be forced to do so against their will ? That is the question.

BHO's list of faltering or bankrupt taxpayer funded green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

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Yup! More government spending our taxes down the tube. Here in the mid-west, we have many "corn ethanol" plants, for the gas that rots engine components. These plants would mostly all be bankrupt, without government subsities. And to top that off, they use a gallon of fresh water in the manufacturing process, for each gallon of ethanol. What a waste.

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Originally Posted by ths61

But should they be forced to do so against their will ? That is the question.

BHO's list of faltering or bankrupt taxpayer funded green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

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I'm not sure, Ths61, but maybe? Don't people often have to be forced to do healthy things against their natural inclinations for the greater good? That's why laws are necessary. It's unfortunate that our natural inclinations don't all lead to the healthiest outcomes, but it seems like that's often the reality of human nature.

Jason

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I'm not sure, Ths61, but maybe? Don't people often have to be forced to do healthy things against their natural inclinations for the greater good? That's why laws are necessary. It's unfortunate that our natural inclinations don't all lead to the healthiest outcomes, but it seems like that's often the reality of human nature.

Jason

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What you may perceive to be healthy, may be unhealthy to me; as it relates to the end game.

Not all laws are good laws. :nono:

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Originally Posted by willtill

What you may perceive to be healthy, may be unhealthy to me; as it relates to the end game.

Not all laws are good laws. :nono:

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That statement's a little broad, Willtill. What do you mean? What's unhealthy about solar powered semi's that can outhaul diesels?

Jason

Solar Power sounds good. How ever, producing the batteries, is not so good to the enviornment, or to people. And when these battery operated vehicles crash, and they do, burning and or exploding batteries really sucks to the rescue personel, and the vehicle recovery people. And where are we putting these damaged, leaking "super batteries"?

Like Willtill, I feel what some perceive as healthy, may be unhealthy to me; as it relates to the end game.