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[tiltingf6b]

How Profound! I'm both awed and humbled to be in the presence of a "Great One" like yourself! tiltingf6b has spoken. Bearing the "Gospel of the Critics" we shall now bow down and recognize him as the master bearer of "critical information/thinking" from all areas of "science", "education", "engineering" "tire manufacturing" and the "insurance industry". Being one of the little people (I'll proudly wear that hat), I politely and humbly recommend you for immediate 5*****star recognition! It's the least we "little people" can do for you!!!!!!

There seems to be an immediate disconnect from thread content and bob109's "intent". I do not offer up sarcasm to you or anyone as individuals (as you have done), rather, I look to separate my immediate emotions from a debate (discussion) so I might find the science or suitable evidence, which supports or invalidates a direction I may or may not want to choose - subjective thinking and tunnel vision are dangerous things. Maybe I might want to go to the dark side, but, only if there was adequate science and empirical data to support the practice.

If one is truly passionate about the sport of motorcycling it is a necessary manifesto to explore all avenues of information and embrace new knowledge in order to advance their skills or improve their RIDE. If you need stars and other labels to help you identify sources of information, by all means please categorize things in a way suitable to your cognition's most suitable way of learning.

Having just returned from a beautiful motorcycle ride on the backroads of Alabama Bayou's I am grateful to embrace any knowledge you or anyone else might wish to share that has a substantive nature to it. While I enjoy shifting my motorcycle My favorite thing(s) to shift are paradigms.

Life is good - enjoy it.

[bob109]

There seems to be an immediate disconnect from thread content and bob109's "intent". I do not offer up sarcasm to you or anyone as individuals (as you have done), rather, I look to separate my immediate emotions from a debate (discussion) so I might find the science or suitable evidence, which supports or invalidates a direction I may or may not want to choose - subjective thinking and tunnel vision are dangerous things. Maybe I might want to go to the dark side, but, only if there was adequate science and empirical data to support the practice.

If one is truly passionate about the sport of motorcycling it is a necessary manifesto to explore all avenues of information and embrace new knowledge in order to advance their skills or improve their RIDE. If you need stars and other labels to help you identify sources of information, by all means please categorize things in a way suitable to your cognition's most suitable way of learning.

Having just returned from a beautiful motorcycle ride on the backroads of Alabama Bayou's I am grateful to embrace any knowledge you or anyone else might wish to share that has a substantive nature to it. While I enjoy shifting my motorcycle My favorite thing(s) to shift are paradigms.

I'm immensely enjoying this "dialog" between you and I! I try to learn something new everyday! I'll share with you a tad of info you may find enlightening and useful and then again, you may not! This is to put "Empirical Findings and "Anecdotal Info" into perspective. Located in Raleigh N.C., Duke University and UNC are located in the epicenter of the Research Triangle Area. Home to many of the largest U.S. Major Drug/Pharmaceutical Companies there also resides a oft missed company called "Quintiles". Once small, this entity has developed into a "World Class" Provider for "Clinical Trials" of patent pending drugs which need FDA Approval before they can be marketed. Those "Clinical Trials" and eventual recommendations to the FDA are the product of hundreds, if not thousand of patients being treated for the likes of Cancer, with "experimental drugs". It is the information from each individual patient (anecdotal and empirical) which is collected and digested by numerous "Statistical Experts" which captures the "effectiveness" and "side effects" of each drug submitted for scrutiny! Without "anecdotal/empirical" evidence/reporting, "Scienticic Findings" would be impossible. I, as a Dark Sider, want the "feedback" from like minded folks! Knowing there are hundreds, if not thousand of Dark Siders with info, "I deem important, some DS folks are reluctant to ever enter into a DS Conversation/Forum. That, IMHO, is a "short coming" on all out parts!

Ride Safe

Ride Often

bob109

[tiltingf6b]

I'm immensely enjoying this "dialog" between you and I! I try to learn something new everyday! I'll share with you a tad of info you may find enlightening and useful and then again, you may not! This is to put "Empirical Findings and "Anecdotal Info" into perspective. Located in Raleigh N.C., Duke University and UNC are located in the epicenter of the Research Triangle Area. Home to many of the largest U.S. Major Drug/Pharmaceutical Companies there also resides a oft missed company called "Quintiles". Once small, this entity has developed into a "World Class" Provider for "Clinical Trials" of patent pending drugs which need FDA Approval before they can be marketed. Those "Clinical Trials" and eventual recommendations to the FDA are the product of hundreds, if not thousand of patients being treated for the likes of Cancer, with "experimental drugs". It is the information from each individual patient (anecdotal and empirical) which is collected and digested by numerous "Statistical Experts" which captures the "effectiveness" and "side effects" of each drug submitted for scrutiny! Without "anecdotal/empirical" evidence/reporting, "Scienticic Findings" would be impossible. I, as a Dark Sider, want the "feedback" from like minded folks! Knowing there are hundreds, if not thousand of Dark Siders with info, "I deem important, some DS folks are reluctant to ever enter into a DS Conversation/Forum. That, IMHO, is a "short coming" on all out parts!

Ride Safe

Ride Often

bob109

So - it is time for dark siders to come forward and put together a real collaborative effort to gather data - this would necessarily be nationwide or even a global effort that should cross all barriers and be inclusive. The more data and anecdotal info you can gather from the more sources, the more likely the dark siders will find the true advocates. As I said, if your passionate about your motorcycle and your choice of tires, find the resources to truly investigate the consequences (good and bad) of CT's on Motorcycles. First and foremost if motorcyclists are going dark, I for one don't believe it's just economy - I believe the reason is much more complex and the free market is missing an opportunity. So one of you Darksiders' with some time and brains get the wheel rolling. Gather a true body of evidence and get some backing, financial and technical - make our sport safer.

[bob109]

So - it is time for dark siders to come forward and put together a real collaborative effort to gather data - this would necessarily be nationwide or even a global effort that should cross all barriers and be inclusive. The more data and anecdotal info you can gather from the more sources, the more likely the dark siders will find the true advocates. As I said, if your passionate about your motorcycle and your choice of tires, find the resources to truly investigate the consequences (good and bad) of CT's on Motorcycles. First and foremost if motorcyclists are going dark, I for one don't believe it's just economy - I believe the reason is much more complex and the free market is missing an opportunity. So one of you Darksiders' with some time and brains get the wheel rolling. Gather a true body of evidence and get some backing, financial and technical - make our sport safer.

There is already a collaborative effort/database in existence! It's not on this Forum! Delphi, has "Riding The Dark Side Forum" with a Car Tire Database which will provide you with some real enlightenment! The Database includes Make and Year of Bike, Brand Tire, Tire Size, Sweet Spot Air Pressure, Air Pressure Required to Seat Tire Bead etc. etc. You have to be a Member of that Forum to review the Database. In addition there is user data on the actual mileage achieved by each individual. I would "strongly suggest" you review that site and get a "Real Grasp" for the efforts of Dark Siders to have a specific center for "Relevant DS Data". There is a "assumption" by critics that Dark Siders aren't "well read" before we take the step to the DS. That "assumption" is far from the truth!

[tiltingf6b]

There is already a collaborative effort/database in existence! It's not on this Forum! Delphi, has "Riding The Dark Side Forum" with a Car Tire Database which will provide you with some real enlightenment! The Database includes Make and Year of Bike, Brand Tire, Tire Size, Sweet Spot Air Pressure, Air Pressure Required to Seat Tire Bead etc. etc. You have to be a Member of that Forum to review the Database. In addition there is user data on the actual mileage achieved by each individual. I would "strongly suggest" you review that site and get a "Real Grasp" for the efforts of Dark Siders to have a specific center for "Relevant DS Data". There is a "assumption" by critics that Dark Siders aren't "well read" before we take the step to the DS. That "assumption" is far from the truth!

http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mai...gid=2070982891

[willtill]

link please ?

Here's one of the databases http://darkside.nwff.info/?p=tires

But why do you care? You're anti-darkside.

Attention all Darksiders!

Attention all Darksiders!

We should not be participating in this particular thread, This is for the Anti-Darksiders ONLY. Let the haters hate. This is the last post from me in this thread.

[bob109]

Here's one of the databases http://darkside.nwff.info/?p=tires

But why do you care? You're anti-darkside.

Attention all Darksiders!

Attention all Darksiders!

We should not be participating in this particular thread, This is for the Anti-Darksiders ONLY. Let the haters hate. This is the last post from me in this thread.

willtill:

Thanks for pulling up the "Actual Databases"! They speak "volumes" for "honest reporting" of/from "actual users"!

Info like this strikes fear into the "Critics! Facts and Just the Facts:>):>):>)

Regards

bob109

[DMAGOLDRDR]

I usually stay out of Car Tire debates but seeing that this discussion is not a heated argument I will add my personal reason for going to a car tire into the mix for what it is worth. It was not a decision I took lightly. I do not have any degree in engineering or any other technical info here and I doubt you will find any as no one in the field will want to say it is acceptable and have to be held responsible for what the general public does.

Along with my F6B and my Valk I have a 1978 GL1000 with a California Sidecar mounted. I will say the Sidecar is an accepted non OEM addition to my Old Wing but that Sidecar sure is a much larger alteration to my Motorcycle than the car tire is on my my bikes.
My point is that many of us make changes that an Insurance Co or Good Lawyer can exploit if push comes to shove in a court room. A chance we must except with our changes!!

My needs were for long trips
Flat repair. can be done to car tire much safer than Motorcycle tire
Better at heavy load handling
Better wet traction
No Cupping to deal with.. (a big problem with bike tires)

my Car Tire thoughts and experience ...............
we need to back up the calendar to 2012

For years I wanted to try a car tire on my Valk. It is a 2000 Interstate and as of late 2012 I had a bit under 90 thousand miles on the bike. The Valk is not my only bike, but the one that makes the larger trips as it is set up for long haul two up riding. I decided for this trip to take a friend up on his offer to throw a car tire on. He has 3 Valkyries all with Car Tires and had an extra mounted new tire on a Valk rim ready to go. I had done my researching and reading over the years and started adding up the pros and cons of a car tire on a road trip.

As in the past, our Sturgis trips take in 7000 miles in two weeks so this will be a great test.
I have found the extended highway speeds in the July/August heat, along with the bike tipping the scales at 1200lbs once loaded with gear and riding two up, sure does tear up tires fast. Sooo I mounted the NEXEN 205/60Ri6 tire. It performed well and I did not end up with a cupped rear tire as I always had.
I decided to stick with the car tire as my dedicated tire and not just for trips because I found no down side to the Car Tire.

NOW after running the CT for well over 40 thousand miles on two different bikes and many years time.... No change from Bike to Car tire in the twisties. This year to Sturgis we took the Northern route from New England thru Canada down into North Dakota. Three days of rain gave a good wet road test. Straight up stopping is awesome with the car tire, and even leaned over I still had good traction on the wet roads.
BUT I think the Bike tire has a bit better traction leaned over on dry roads. That may change with your car tire choice. The NEXEN I was running has very small tread blocks on the sides and I think the larger surface area of the bike tire gives it an edge . Although I never felt any slipping until I was accelerating a bit harder that I should have while leaning in a hard corner up hill...

PRO...
Run Flat tires (if you so choose) I have had both
Flat repair much easier and can be run with a plug
Better at heavy load handling
Better wet traction Much better tread life
No Cupping to deal with.. (a big problem with bike tires)
On the Bearthooth Pass we ran into construction and rode 10 miles of dirt in the rain... I was glad I was on a Car Tire for that!!!

Con...
Low speed handling on uneven pavement
Motorcycle dealers don't like to deal with them (but small tire shops have no problem)

[BIGLRY]

There is already a collaborative effort/database in existence! It's not on this Forum! Delphi, has "Riding The Dark Side Forum" with a Car Tire Database which will provide you with some real enlightenment! The Database includes Make and Year of Bike, Brand Tire, Tire Size, Sweet Spot Air Pressure, Air Pressure Required to Seat Tire Bead etc. etc. You have to be a Member of that Forum to review the Database. In addition there is user data on the actual mileage achieved by each individual. I would "strongly suggest" you review that site and get a "Real Grasp" for the efforts of Dark Siders to have a specific center for "Relevant DS Data". There is a "assumption" by critics that Dark Siders aren't "well read" before we take the step to the DS. That "assumption" is far from the truth!

+1

[53driver]

Just like those, my large friend!
I can really feel the bike talking to me through those curves and all the subtle RPM changes.
They do wear out quickly though....much like all y'all's under-inflated rear tires lasting only 7k miles. etc...