New 2018 GOLDWING

[ths61]

What I originally saw must have been a mis-print. It doesn't make any sense to add a gear without lowering the rpms.

The more correct info shows top gear at 60mph will be at about 2000 rpms, vs 2550. Yea!!!! BTW, this was calculated by someone. There is a graph in this link that clearly shows top gear is a whole step above our old top gear.



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Adding the 6 gear in the middle of the manual gear range does not make any sense. It does nothing for highway fuel mileage and is just more work. I had a 6 speed and was relieved when I went to the F6B's 5 speed.

[doubleh]

So, higher top gear, smaller bags, better gas mileage, more power, lighter bike, better looking seat, too many electronics - everything I could want. I'm thinking Tour model with trunk removal kit. Don't know about DCT vs manual.

I don't believe the trunk has a "removal kit" but it is removable, and supposedly it takes some time to remove the trunk.
I'm also unsure which trans I'm going to get being only the DCT Goldwing comes with walking/reverse mode which I would like to have. Another thing I've been thinking about is both the BMW1600B/Goldwing DCT are the same price, but the BMW has quite a few more features, +170HP.

[98valk]

Adding the 6 gear in the middle of the manual gear range does not make any sense. It does nothing for highway fuel mileage and is just more work. I had a 6 speed and was relieved when I went to the F6B's 5 speed.

I didn't have a graph of the manual transmission. The first five gears are the same as our bikes. The sixth gear is an extra full step more, lowering the RPM's about 20%. If someone does not want to use the 6th gear, they don't have too.

I too think the same thing could have been done with 5 speeds and just spreading them out. But, there are others who will disagree.

The DCT put an extra gear in the lower speeds. I think it is more than needed. But, since it is automatic, it won't even be noticed most of the time.

Trivia: DCT 7 = MT 6. DCT 6 = MT 5. DCT 5 = MT 4. DCT 4 ~ MT 3. The lower gears are where the difference is and the DCT adds an extra gear. BTW DCT 6 & MT 5 = Our 5th gear.

[ths61]

I didn't have a graph of the manual transmission. The first five gears are the same as our bikes. The sixth gear is an extra full step more, lowering the RPM's about 20%. If someone does not want to use the 6th gear, they don't have too.

I too think the same thing could have been done with 5 speeds and just spreading them out. But, there are others who will disagree.

The DCT put an extra gear in the lower speeds. I think it is more than needed. But, since it is automatic, it won't be even noticed most of the time.

If the manual transmission's 6 gear is a true overdrive, that makes sense. If it is the same as in the chart, it makes no sense.

Where did you see the first 5 gears are the same as the F6B for the 2018's manual transmission ?

[98valk]

If the manual transmission's 6 gear is a true overdrive, that makes sense. If it is the same as in the chart, it makes no sense.

Where did you see the first 5 gears are the same as the F6B for the 2018's manual transmission ?

Some guys on another site were comparing gear ratios (primary, engine side final and wheel side final). Here is some of it. Makes sense to me ...

Using the specs listed here. It looks like 60 mph should be around 1943 rpm in 6th gear. 5th gear currently 2470?


https://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-honda-gold-wing/6/

6th gear .522 Primary 1.795 Engine Side Final .972 Wheel side final 2.615
Wheel Diameter 24.7


RPM= (Final Ratio*MPH*336)/Tire Diameter
(.522*1.795*.972*2.615)=2.381
(2.381* 60*336)/24.7 = 1943.35 ish

[ths61]

Some guys on another site were comparing gear ratios (primary, engine side final and wheel side final). Here is some of it. Makes sense to me ...

Using the specs listed here. It looks like 60 mph should be around 1943 rpm in 6th gear. 5th gear currently 2470?


https://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-honda-gold-wing/6/

6th gear .522 Primary 1.795 Engine Side Final .972 Wheel side final 2.615
Wheel Diameter 24.7


RPM= (Final Ratio*MPH*336)/Tire Diameter
(.522*1.795*.972*2.615)=2.381
(2.381* 60*336)/24.7 = 1943.35 ish

Thanks for the link. Looks like the Manual 4th, 5th and 6th is the same as the DCT 5th, 6th and 7th.

(DCT) 1st: 2.167 2nd: 1.696 3rd: 1.304 4th: 1.038 5th: 0.821 6th: 0.667 7th: 0.522 Rev: 1.190

(MT) 1st: 2.200 2nd: 1.417 3rd: 1.036 4th: 0.821 5th: 0.667 6th: 0.522

[98valk]

Thanks for the link. Looks like the manual 6th is the same as the DCT 7th and the manual 5th is the same as the DCT 6th.

(DCT) 1st: 2.167 2nd: 1.696 3rd: 1.304 4th: 1.038 5th: 0.821 6th: 0.667 7th: 0.522 Rev: 1.190

(MT) 1st: 2.200 2nd: 1.417 3rd: 1.036 4th: 0.821 5th: 0.667 6th: 0.522

Yep, looks good! Honda really did try and give us what we wanted.

Maybe the 6th manual gear could be perceived as "optional" (for those who didn't want it).

[ShanghaiDan]

Thank you very much, I appreciate the explanation of the DTC.

When first starting out with DTC do you need to shift down with the lever/button on the left handgrip to 1st gear in order for the trans to engage, or just twist the throttle? In other words, is there a neutral?

I just found this article on how the DCT works right before your post, but it doesn't answer my question above. Being you have hands on experience with DCT, I figured I'd ask.

Thank you very much,
Joe

Nope. Just flick the switch to drive (or sport) from Neutral and you're good to go! Just like shifting a car from park or neutral into drive. Then it is totally automatic. Flick back to neutral before turning the bike off - just like putting a car into park. That's all you need! The DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) takes care of everything else for you.

[ShanghaiDan]

Adding the 6 gear in the middle of the manual gear range does not make any sense. It does nothing for highway fuel mileage and is just more work. I had a 6 speed and was relieved when I went to the F6B's 5 speed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the gear ratios for the manual are different than the DCT - cover the same range, but one fewer gear. The DCT and manual version of the CTX700 have the same gears, but the sprocket ratios are different. The reason is the DCT can shift really quickly, so you can keep the engine in the "sweet spot" easier with fast shift (or, in the case of the new wing - more gears). That gives fuel economy gains as well as performance gains - at the same time.

[doubleh]

Nope. Just flick the switch to drive (or sport) from Neutral and you're good to go! Just like shifting a car from park or neutral into drive. Then it is totally automatic. Flick back to neutral before turning the bike off - just like putting a car into park. That's all you need! The DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) takes care of everything else for you.

Thank you again for explaining the DCT, I appreciate!