They also have a lightly used manual. I can see this new Goldwing not appealing to the traditional goldwing crowd. Both traded in their 2018's for 2017's. Seperate deals, totally unrelated. I have not ridden one yet, but sitting on them reminds me more of an ST than a Goldwing. The luggage being quite a bit smaller could be a factor. I am almost more tempted in a lightly used 2015-2017 than the new one myself...if I were to make a move. I love the F6B so much, I'm just not sure I want to do anything at all. It's always fun to go look, though.