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    Quote Originally Posted by olegoat345 View Post
    Trump makes the USA looks like fools...………………………………………..he's also good at making Trump look like a fool ……………………… Putin ate him for breakfast, he's Putin's puppy.
    let the name calling begin
    Look like? We are fools. At least we pulled our heads out of our asses long enough to deny Monica Lewinsky's boyfriend's criminal wife the presidency. If Trump does nothing else during the next eight years while in the Whitehouse he should go down as one of the greatest ever just for that feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegoat345 View Post
    Trump makes the USA looks like fools.You watch too much TV..………………………………………..he's also good at making Trump look like a fool …Your opinion counts, I beg to differ. His style is his and getting things done,…………………… Putin ate him for breakfast, he's Putin's puppy. I don't think he is anyone's BITCH
    let the name calling begin
    They key on every word and movement, He keeps it up and the talking heads look foolish. I make up my own mind.
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    I too make up my own mind & I vote both sides of the aisle..... I've never said anything nice about Hilary...………………. At that time, I think the American people chose between the lesser of 2 evils. Thousands voted for Trump, in protest, because the DNC screwed Bernie. I'm sure Hilary was aware of that happening & did nothing to stop it. As far as extra martial affairs, both Mr. Trump & Mr. Clinton have had their share. Trump does like sexy beautiful women. Clinton was know for his affairs long before he ran for any office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegoat345 View Post
    I too make up my own mind & I vote both sides of the aisle..... I've never said anything nice about Hilary...………………. At that time, I think the American people chose between the lesser of 2 evils. Thousands voted for Trump, in protest, because the DNC screwed Bernie. I'm sure Hilary was aware of that happening & did nothing to stop it. As far as extra martial affairs, both Mr. Trump & Mr. Clinton have had their share. Trump does like sexy beautiful women. Clinton was know for his affairs long before he ran for any office.
    Lessor of two evils? Give me one, non made up reason Trumps evil. I'll give you 20 reasons why Clinto the Commie Carpetbagger is. Protest because Bernie got screwed? LOL. Another Commie hypocrite who Clinton herself cheated out of the nomination with the help of the FIB,CYA, and 99% of all media. Yes Trump likes beautiful women just as much as any heterosexual male but he wasn't raping them like that POS from Arkansas. Voting both sides of the aisle is a myth just like "If you like your Dr you can keep your Dr" and "I did not have sexual realations with Miss Lewinsky". There's a reason the Democraps keep getting their asses handed to them at every level and it ain't trump.

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    I know Trump is a very polarizing guy, but facts are facts and tenxxx has it right! Politicians are NOT for the people, Trump is a business man who goes after what makes the most sense, and do it as efficiently as possible.

    The press SUCKS! They are trying to get him impeached, but reality is that will never happen. In this time of hypocrisy, I hope some of the liberals/democrats out there stop and think about what being an American is about. Think about the world without this country? We have innovated many things that have made the rest of the world more prosperous, and America isn't about going out and taking land from our might...or wouldn't we own Kuwait?

    Honestly, when you look at every abject failure socialism has brought, including an estimated 200 MILLION deaths due to socialist, why shouldn't the one economic system that has worked every time it has tried...why isn't this the reality being taught in schools, and brought to the world? I am talking Capitalism! It makes the delivering of goods and services the most efficient, and provides the greatest opportunity for EVERYONE, regardless of race, religion, gender, etc! It isn't perfect, but in 2,500 years of socialism...you know, the utopia of it being Venezuela...you know, the place that has NO TOILET PAPER, yet the Democrats think this is great government?????

    Freedom is the key, whether it is the right to own a gun to health care, you should have the right to decide who you want to see, what you want to own, and how you want to live. Once you have that, the country just works. Ask yourself the question - is there any biological difference from anyone that lives in India, China, Australia, Germany? NO. What is the difference? Freedom and Capitalism - made the greatest country in the world, a superpower and THE economic engine of the world!

    You can't refute facts, try it and I will clean your clock but make sure you have FACTS and not fantasy because I will destroy it with truth and logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryDavid View Post
    Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
    I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
    Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?
    You surely realize that depends on the caliber or gauge, type of bullet, velocity the round is loaded to, type of walls, whether the projectile hits a stud or just drywall and many other variables? A 556/223 small game round is designed to expand reliably in critters as small as crows and prairie dogs and can't be depended on to humanly kill deer because it lacks sufficient penetration to reach the vitals. The same thing with the 22/250, 220 swift, 204 Ruger and most other .22 caliber hunting rounds. You can buy special purpose loads in these calibers made for reliably penetrating and killing deer size game but you have to look for them.

    The most frequently used and owned firearms here are chambered in .22LR. A HP .22LR will barely pass through a few layers of plywood or drywall and isn't going to pass through your house unless it's made of tin foil. On the other hand, 9mm, 45ACP, .556 and .308 caliber FMJ bullets will pass through multiple thicknesses of drywall and are what is mostly used in the military due to non-expanding bullets being deemed more humane.

    However, few knowledgeable homeowners would use these bullets for home defense because they lack the stopping power of expanding bullets and because of the over penetration issue. When considering shotguns, slugs and buckshot can indeed penetrate multiple walls but probably not brick walls. My favored home defense shotgun load is #6 small game shot which will be devastating at close range but has little over-penetration danger. My favored self-defense handgun rounds all have large hollow-points for the same reasons.

    Military experience is primarily with military weapons and ammo and doesn't always reflect the wide range of ballistic choices available in the civilian world. The difference in penetration between an M16 shooting FMJ ammo in 3 round bursts and a civilian semi-auto AR shooting rapidly expanding bullets in the same caliber is huge. An AR in a big game caliber such as the .458 socom or .450 Bushmaster is made for power and penetration and will take down a moose or your brick wall but is seldom used for home-defense, although, for those who live in the country it would be an option.

    Although I have no military training I am a gunsmith and have some small knowledge of firearms and ballistics.
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    Back to the main subject here::

    Here is a good read for everybody. I learned this in jr high.
    Its the first thing stricken from history when socialists liberals took over the education system.
    They got a foot in the door with the school lunch program. You take gov. money, you do what the gov. says.

    http://libertyunderfire.org/2011/11/1430/

    socialism was tried here and failed with a death tole that almost whipped out the pilgrims.
    And the same thing is happening in the US today.

    And don't tell me the proper type of socialism was never tried.
    There will N E V E R be any type of it that will work. Not mater where it tried.
    Last edited by tenxxx; 07-18-2018 at 10:55 PM.
    ITS ALL GOOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frye View Post
    You surely realize that depends on the caliber or gauge, type of bullet, velocity the round is loaded to, type of walls, whether the projectile hits a stud or just drywall and many other variables? A 556/223 small game round is designed to expand reliably in critters as small as crows and prairie dogs and can't be depended on to humanly kill deer because it lacks sufficient penetration to reach the vitals. The same thing with the 22/250, 220 swift, 204 Ruger and most other .22 caliber hunting rounds. You can buy special purpose loads in these calibers made for reliably penetrating and killing deer size game but you have to look for them.

    The most frequently used and owned firearms here are chambered in .22LR. A HP .22LR will barely pass through a few layers of plywood or drywall and isn't going to pass through your house unless it's made of tin foil. On the other hand, 9mm, 45ACP, .556 and .308 caliber FMJ bullets will pass through multiple thicknesses of drywall and are what is mostly used in the military due to non-expanding bullets being deemed more humane.

    However, few knowledgeable homeowners would use these bullets for home defense because they lack the stopping power of expanding bullets and because of the over penetration issue. When considering shotguns, slugs and buckshot can indeed penetrate multiple walls but probably not brick walls. My favored home defense shotgun load is #6 small game shot which will be devastating at close range but has little over-penetration danger. My favored self-defense handgun rounds all have large hollow-points for the same reasons.

    Military experience is primarily with military weapons and ammo and doesn't always reflect the wide range of ballistic choices available in the civilian world. The difference in penetration between an M16 shooting FMJ ammo in 3 round bursts and a civilian semi-auto AR shooting rapidly expanding bullets in the same caliber is huge. An AR in a big game caliber such as the .458 socom or .450 Bushmaster is made for power and penetration and will take down a moose or your brick wall but is seldom used for home-defense, although, for those who live in the country it would be an option.

    Although I have no military training I am a gunsmith and have some small knowledge of firearms and ballistics.
    Great post. Great info for people on the fence about defending your home with a firearm.

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    Went the nasty name calling starts, aka "I don't have any facts, so I'll call them names." I'm done with this thread. Trump & the Russians have got our country so divided, that we can no longer talk to one another as gentlemen. I refuse to get in a name calling, pissing contest over a difference of opinion...……………….. and that's all it is, a difference of opinion...… Ewreck, you or nobody else has any idea how I vote...…….. well, maybe the Russians do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegoat345 View Post
    Went the nasty name calling starts, aka "I don't have any facts, so I'll call them names." I'm done with this thread. Trump & the Russians have got our country so divided, that we can no longer talk to one another as gentlemen. I refuse to get in a name calling, pissing contest over a difference of opinion...……………….. and that's all it is, a difference of opinion...… Ewreck, you or nobody else has any idea how I vote...…….. well, maybe the Russians do.
    Who's called you a name and refute one thing I've posted in this whole thread. We're divided because a large portion of this country wants to destroy its existence and turn it into something it was never intended to be. Russia is just a lame excuse for people who like to pick low hanging fruit. ALL countries spy, collude, disrupt and worse, us included. Your admiration for Canada, negative comments towards firearms,President Trump,and your own disclosure on this thread that you vote "both sides of the aisle" gives me a pretty good idea exactly how you vote. I'd still buy you I beer as its gonna be a rough ride for a lot of people until 2024.

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