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[TerryDavid]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

[jm21ddd15]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

Well, mate, I live alone, and no dog! Enter my place, uninvited, and you will be shot!

[Pumper]

Bingo and amen...Non-gun toting countries have no idea.

I traveled AU many years and had great debates with the folks down under regarding guns...some pretty strange thoughts came out of those conversations.

[Ewreck]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

What unit were you in? Attachment 5436
Is this what you guys are using for home protection down under?
Luckily I use multiple bullets and laugh along with you.

[tenxxx]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

Well you have just educated them.
Thank you for your service.

[Jhox]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

Actually, if using the proper ammunition and gun (say a .40 caliber), the round won't even go through the bad guy much less anyone or anyting else. But the bad guy will be stopped.

[LA Weld]

Actually, if using the proper ammunition and gun (say a .40 caliber), the round won't even go through the bad guy much less anyone or anyting else. But the bad guy will be stopped.

A Taurus Judge with 3" 410 - 00 buck shot - Nice for the uninvited night guest, and neighbor friendly

[Frye]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel hrough every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

You surely realize that depends on the caliber or gauge, type of bullet, velocity the round is loaded to, type of walls, whether the projectile hits a stud or just drywall and many other variables? A 556/223 small game round is designed to expand reliably in critters as small as crows and prairie dogs and can't be depended on to humanly kill deer because it lacks sufficient penetration to reach the vitals. The same thing with the 22/250, 220 swift, 204 Ruger and most other .22 caliber hunting rounds. You can buy special purpose loads in these calibers made for reliably penetrating and killing deer size game but you have to look for them.

The most frequently used and owned firearms here are chambered in .22LR. A HP .22LR will barely pass through a few layers of plywood or drywall and isn't going to pass through your house unless it's made of tin foil. On the other hand, 9mm, 45ACP, .556 and .308 caliber FMJ bullets will pass through multiple thicknesses of drywall and are what is mostly used in the military due to non-expanding bullets being deemed more humane.

However, few knowledgeable homeowners would use these bullets for home defense because they lack the stopping power of expanding bullets and because of the over penetration issue. When considering shotguns, slugs and buckshot can indeed penetrate multiple walls but probably not brick walls. My favored home defense shotgun load is #6 small game shot which will be devastating at close range but has little over-penetration danger. My favored self-defense handgun rounds all have large hollow-points for the same reasons.

Military experience is primarily with military weapons and ammo and doesn't always reflect the wide range of ballistic choices available in the civilian world. The difference in penetration between an M16 shooting FMJ ammo in 3 round bursts and a civilian semi-auto AR shooting rapidly expanding bullets in the same caliber is huge. An AR in a big game caliber such as the .458 socom or .450 Bushmaster is made for power and penetration and will take down a moose or your brick wall but is seldom used for home-defense, although, for those who live in the country it would be an option.

Although I have no military training I am a gunsmith and have some small knowledge of firearms and ballistics.

[Ewreck]

You surely realize that depends on the caliber or gauge, type of bullet, velocity the round is loaded to, type of walls, whether the projectile hits a stud or just drywall and many other variables? A 556/223 small game round is designed to expand reliably in critters as small as crows and prairie dogs and can't be depended on to humanly kill deer because it lacks sufficient penetration to reach the vitals. The same thing with the 22/250, 220 swift, 204 Ruger and most other .22 caliber hunting rounds. You can buy special purpose loads in these calibers made for reliably penetrating and killing deer size game but you have to look for them.

The most frequently used and owned firearms here are chambered in .22LR. A HP .22LR will barely pass through a few layers of plywood or drywall and isn't going to pass through your house unless it's made of tin foil. On the other hand, 9mm, 45ACP, .556 and .308 caliber FMJ bullets will pass through multiple thicknesses of drywall and are what is mostly used in the military due to non-expanding bullets being deemed more humane.

However, few knowledgeable homeowners would use these bullets for home defense because they lack the stopping power of expanding bullets and because of the over penetration issue. When considering shotguns, slugs and buckshot can indeed penetrate multiple walls but probably not brick walls. My favored home defense shotgun load is #6 small game shot which will be devastating at close range but has little over-penetration danger. My favored self-defense handgun rounds all have large hollow-points for the same reasons.

Military experience is primarily with military weapons and ammo and doesn't always reflect the wide range of ballistic choices available in the civilian world. The difference in penetration between an M16 shooting FMJ ammo in 3 round bursts and a civilian semi-auto AR shooting rapidly expanding bullets in the same caliber is huge. An AR in a big game caliber such as the .458 socom or .450 Bushmaster is made for power and penetration and will take down a moose or your brick wall but is seldom used for home-defense, although, for those who live in the country it would be an option.

Although I have no military training I am a gunsmith and have some small knowledge of firearms and ballistics.

Great post. Great info for people on the fence about defending your home with a firearm.

[Navvet]

Happen to know a little bit about guns as I was with a world known military Training unit that trained soldiers from all over the world?
I always laugh when I hear people that say they have a gun for home protection
Don't think they know that a single bullet will travel through every wall in the house including exiting through the external brick wall after killing their wife? their children and maybe even their dog?

While your thinking may serve you well in other countries, the founding fathers had specific ideas when they wrote the constitution for this shining experiment we call the United States of America.

The short little statement contained in the 2nd amendment has had volumes written about it, including by the framers of our constitution. If you take the time to look up the Federalist Papers, specifically #46 and #29 and read them, you would quickly realize the 2nd amendment does not refer to home defense, hunting, or even sporting purposes. No, Hamilton and Madison make it abundantly clear that bearing arms is "the (God given) right of the people" who would ... protect us from national tyranny.

This is what makes us free citizens vs subjects of a government.



Extrapolating further, one could make the argument that law abiding citizens should be allowed weapons equal to the military's ... But that is a discussion for another day.



As always, my apologies to any I may have offended.