Ive never paid retail for any bike I have bought and I have owned a ton of them. The only prices I have seen so far are the online prices for the 2018 Wing. There isnt a dealer in my area that has any of the standard models in stock to see what they are priced at. My statement was made based on what prices I have seen on cycle trader. There was also no insinuation that you paid 23k for your Wing. I only mentioned I would not pay that. Al