Interesting. I have sat on a Venture and an Eluder, and the fit and finish did not stand out to me as good or bad. What I took away was how heavy it was to get off the side stand and how swept back the handlebars are. I can't imagine feeling confident riding either one, but I would love to try one out. Also, and I know it is hard to tell on videos, but they look really slow when watching test riders accelerate in the test ride groups with other bikes.

I did a quick search on Cycle Trader for Ventures last night, and they are almost giving away leftover '18s for $20k.