F6B VS New Golding DCT in a race

[Joflewbyu2]

It probably comes down to rider against rider. The difference in weight is minimal - 787 to 842 manual to F6B or 800 to 842 DCT to F6B. And remember there is a 7 lb difference between the fuel tank capacity 5.5 gal vs 6.6 gal. So 48 lbs manual to F6B or 35 lbs DCT to F6B. Plus there is more rotational drag on the new wing from a larger tire that weighs more. Dyno # are coming out a tad less on the new model than the F6Bs. Either way the are both quick and if your concern is which is quicker than you are looking at the wrong bike. Love my F6B, but once they straighten out the front end design issues I might consider getting one.

[Verismo]

It probably comes down to rider against rider.

I'd bet money against this, at least up to the speed limiter of the new wing. Even if the engines were identical in output, there's no outshifting that DCT. The rider might matter on a 2018 manual, though. That would be an interesting race, and might come closer to highlighting the power differences. Although to be honest, I'm only interested out of slight curiosity. Who doesn't enjoy a good drag race. But like most of you, I absolutely love my B, and definitely didn't buy it to ride a quarter mile at a time, lol.

Jason

[DarkKnt]

I'd bet money against this, at least up to the speed limiter of the new wing. Even if the engines were identical in output, there's no outshifting that DCT. The rider might matter on a 2018 manual, though. That would be an interesting race, and might come closer to highlighting the power differences. Although to be honest, I'm only interested out of slight curiosity. Who doesn't enjoy a good drag race. But like most of you, I absolutely love my B, and definitely didn't buy it to ride a quarter mile at a time, lol.

Jason

With a 0 - 60 time there is only one shift involved. Whats more important is how the bike launches. Our bikes are very easy to launch hard. You can dump the clutch with a mitt full of throttle, not worry too much about lofting the wheel, and get the rear hooked up very nicely. I don't think the DCT allows that, and would pay the price in the first 100 feet. Somebody get out there and defend our honour!!! If given the chance, I'll report back....

[Verismo]

With a 0 - 60 time there is only one shift involved. Whats more important is how the bike launches. Our bikes are very easy to launch hard. You can dump the clutch with a mitt full of throttle, not worry too much about lofting the wheel, and get the rear hooked up very nicely. I don't think the DCT allows that, and would pay the price in the first 100 feet. Somebody get out there and defend our honour!!! If given the chance, I'll report back....

Lol, I honestly hope you're right. It's kind of a win, win, from my perspective. If the B loses, it bodes well for the new Wing, which I happen to really like, and if it wins, our eventual resale value goes up. But as far as honor? Lol, if mine were tied to a quarter mile I wouldn't have bought a B. Lots of options out there for that. For me, the B does just about everything I could ever ask of it so beautifully that I just can't bring myself to care what out-accelerates it. But to each their own. I look forward to watching the run.

Jason

[53driver]

I've ridden the DCT twice now.
Of the 4 modes, anything besides Sport is just silly.

One important thing to remember, and this is pure physics:
The DCT is just that - TWO clutches.
Are two quicker than one? Yes, there is a milli-second between when Clutch 1 transfers duties to Clutch 2, but that's it. Literally a fraction of a second with no loss of power to the rear wheel
I'm really good at shifting Isleen very quickly, but I'm not sure I can shift as fast I witnessed on a DCT.
Where the F6B will succeed, IMHO, is that the DCT, even in sport mode, didn't wind up to the rev limiter in 1st & 2d gears as fast as the F6B. Computer controlled I suppose.
SO yes, two riders, then switching bikes.

I'm waiting.......

[F6Dave]

I've ridden the DCT twice now.
Of the 4 modes, anything besides Sport is just silly.

One important thing to remember, and this is pure physics:
The DCT is just that - TWO clutches.
Are two quicker than one? Yes, there is a milli-second between when Clutch 1 transfers duties to Clutch 2, but that's it. Literally a fraction of a second with no loss of power to the rear wheel
I'm really good at shifting Isleen very quickly, but I'm not sure I can shift as fast I witnessed on a DCT.
Where the F6B will succeed, IMHO, is that the DCT, even in sport mode, didn't wind up to the rev limiter in 1st & 2d gears as fast as the F6B. Computer controlled I suppose.
SO yes, two riders, then switching bikes.

I'm waiting.......

Is there a manual mode? If so, you could probably hold it in gear a bit longer. From the HP charts I've seen, the 4 valve 1833 has a significant power advantage over the 1832 at higher revs, so manually shifting could take advantage of that.

I'm not sure everyone realizes how much a dual clutch transmission differs from a typical auto with planetary gears and a torque converter. The DCT is really more like a pair of manual gearboxes, one with even and the other with odd numbered gears. The clutches let the engine swap between the two trannys, with the next ratio pre-selected by the computer. There's none of the power loss of a typical 'slush-box', and the shifts are essentially instantaneous. The design's been around for decades, but never saw widespread use until Formula One cars starting using it.

[Cooter]

The biggest difference will be from rider to rider. You will never know when a good clutch man shifts the B. It's just that fast. Barely discernable to the ear. The throttle is only blipped and the clutch isn't pulled all the way. The shift like that is as smooth as butter.

[Cooter]

I've ridden the DCT twice now.
Of the 4 modes, anything besides Sport is just silly.

One important thing to remember, and this is pure physics:
The DCT is just that - TWO clutches.
Are two quicker than one? Yes, there is a milli-second between when Clutch 1 transfers duties to Clutch 2, but that's it. Literally a fraction of a second with no loss of power to the rear wheel
I'm really good at shifting Isleen very quickly, but I'm not sure I can shift as fast I witnessed on a DCT.
Where the F6B will succeed, IMHO, is that the DCT, even in sport mode, didn't wind up to the rev limiter in 1st & 2d gears as fast as the F6B. Computer controlled I suppose.
SO yes, two riders, then switching bikes.

I'm waiting.......

You go buy one or borrow one 53 and I'll meet you halfway between Ohio and Florida.

[53driver]

You go buy one or borrow one 53 and I'll meet you halfway between Ohio and Florida.

I'll need a few thousand miles to get "comfortable" on her, but if the "Office of Management & Budget" ever approves a new Wing, I'll be there!
Cheers,
Steve