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    It's funny, for the lower cg and all my, F6B still feels more awkward to me than my old 90 Ultra. The Ultra has some stuff missing so it's not quite as heavy, but closee. I'm much better it slow tight places with the HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatnbeat View Post
    It's funny, for the lower cg and all my, F6B still feels more awkward to me than my old 90 Ultra. The Ultra has some stuff missing so it's not quite as heavy, but closee. I'm much better it slow tight places with the HD.
    Slow, tight maneuvering requires more weight to be forward on the front tire - and HDs have a significant edge there.
    The motor and gas tank are pretty much forward of the frame midpoint - hence why all the motocop cone drills are done on Harleys. Look at their seat too - pushed over the gas tank in most cases.

    For the F6B - next time you are in a close quarters scenario - try leaning forward at the waist without putting extra pressure on the handgrips. I think you'll like what you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatnbeat View Post
    It's funny, for the lower cg and all my, F6B still feels more awkward to me than my old 90 Ultra. The Ultra has some stuff missing so it's not quite as heavy, but closee. I'm much better it slow tight places with the HD.
    I also wonder if the slightly unorthodox throttle response just off idle has something to do with that. Most of the time, warming the bike up solves the issue, but it still feels a tiny bit jumpy or disconnected sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verismo View Post
    I also wonder if the slightly unorthodox throttle response just off idle has something to do with that. Most of the time, warming the bike up solves the issue, but it still feels a tiny bit jumpy or disconnected sometimes.

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    Second gear is your friend on the F6B or any 1800 Wing. I short shift first gear into second for tight or close quarters maneuvers. A whole lot less jumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer View Post
    Second gear is your friend on the F6B or any 1800 Wing. I short shift first gear into second for tight or close quarters maneuvers. A whole lot less jumpy.
    Depending on the day/situation, I do that, too. I had a '14 Valk before the B, and with the weight loss and the same transmission, its 1st gear was good for about 3 feet. I used second a lot, but wasn't crazy about it. The B feels far more natural to me, but still feels a little twitchy just off idle sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verismo View Post
    Depending on the day/situation, I do that, too. I had a '14 Valk before the B, and with the weight loss and the same transmission, its 1st gear was good for about 3 feet. I used second a lot, but wasn't crazy about it. The B feels far more natural to me, but still feels a little twitchy just off idle sometimes.

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    These motors are so powerful....I've found that any slack in the throttle cabling is an issue for me. So? I remove 99.9996% of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 53driver View Post
    These motors are so powerful....I've found that any slack in the throttle cabling is an issue for me. So? I remove 99.9996% of it.
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    Absolutely 100% correct...That is one of my first responses when I hear a complaint about how "twitchy" the throttle is just off idle. I know what Honda sayes the throttle free play spec is, But I don't agree. I have found on almost all EFI engines you need to remove all the throttle cable slack to get a smooth throttle response as well as stopping another bad habit a lot of us have..... blipping the throttle on downshifting which just confuses the ECU. Just think about it, here you are slowing down and you blip the throttle which in effect is telling the ECU that you are accelerating...do you blip the throttle when you downshift a manual shift cage?......No and neither should you blip throttle when downshifting a EFI MC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGLRY View Post
    Absolutely 100% correct...That is one of my first responses when I hear a complaint about how "twitchy" the throttle is just off idle. I know what Honda sayes the throttle free play spec is, But I don't agree. I have found on almost all EFI engines you need to remove all the throttle cable slack to get a smooth throttle response as well as stopping another bad habit a lot of us have..... blipping the throttle on downshifting which just confuses the ECU. Just think about it, here you are slowing down and you blip the throttle which in effect is telling the ECU that you are accelerating...do you blip the throttle when you downshift a manual shift cage?......No and neither should you blip throttle when downshifting a EFI MC.
    Interesting concept. I always match rpm to road speed when downshifting, car or bike. I don't understand why it would make a difference that the engine is fuel injected? Why is the ECU "confused"? You need to raise the rpm, so you use the throttle (the "blip").

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53driver View Post
    These motors are so powerful....I've found that any slack in the throttle cabling is an issue for me. So? I remove 99.9996% of it.
    Cheers,
    Steve
    +1 on tight cable, very little slack.
    Annoy's the hell out of me riding someone else's bike with a lot of slack.
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