Follow up, I went into Spokane to Cycle Gear last weekend and tried on a few, boy, that European fit sure is tough to find the right fit for my broad shoulders. I am now thinking 3xl for some of the options out there. They didn't have too many in stock for me to try out, but I am torn between the iCon Mesh AF or the Cortech option, since I have the heavier all season Cortech and it is solid quality.