Googling? Dude, you have no idea what Dwight does for a part time job, when he's not riding his B.Originally Posted by taxfree4
Googling? Dude, you have no idea what Dwight does for a part time job, when he's not riding his B.
What does that matter, the facts don't care what anyone does part or full time and it doesn't need anyone to believe them to be true. These guys I ride with actually test, work and repair these motors in the real world, and this problem is industry wide, no secret, they run super hot because they have to meet the EPA Standards. Harley doesn't care like they've never cared.Googling? Dude, you have no idea what Dwight does for a part time job, when he's not riding his B.
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I seem to remeber you saying the M8 would never meet EPA standards, now you are saying it does. You also said your buddies the "Harley technicians" were running tuners. With tuners they are able to change the fuel mapping and ignition timing and afterwards they are complaining about head temperatures.
You are right the facts don't care what anyone does full or part time and I haven't seen you present any facts, just your opinions which are contrary to the facts.
Let me refresh your selective memory the exact quote was "The Milwaukee 8 was a racing motor, never designed to deal with EPA restrictions, they'll never fix it." I would think that with your cut and paste talent you could have done that. Anyway, the fact is they're using it for racing, the fact is the motor you said is a racing motor they aren't. The mere fact they have to only a production motor with no additional enhancements tells me that Harley, not you, has enough confidence in that motor to race with it. The fact that it has to run at these extremely hot temperatures just to meet the EPA Standards, forget retuning AFTER you own it, they wanted to pull temps in trying to diagnose the problems that were occuring, we're talking out of the factory meeting the EPA requirements. Contrary to what fact, you have just cut and pasted specs, so what, my 5 year old grandson can do that
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He is the curator of this place, dude. He knows a thing or two about a thing or two, Harley related.
https://www.buddystubbshd.com/museum
That's not an endorsement but it explains his ability to cut and paste...lots of idle time
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Sometimes, you just have to laugh
Successful people build each other up. They motivate, inspire and push each other. Unsuccessful people just hate, blame and complain.
This has been a very entertaining thread. The allegation that the best selling motorcycle in the United States does not meet EPA regulations is very mind blowing. One of the perks of my job at the museum and the dealership is that when I get the urge to enjoy the Harley Experience I take one of the bikes from our rental fleet for a few days. I enjoy riding the new Harleys, they are good quality bikes and fun to ride, just not my cup of tea. I always enjoy returning to my "B". Harley Davidson has done something no other motorcycle manufacturer has been able to do. They not only sell a motorcycle, they have marketed a lifestyle.Sometimes, you just have to laugh
Our museum not only has Harley Davidsons. We have 141 motorcycles from 35 different manufacturers and 17 different countries. All of our motorcycles, some of which are over 100 years old, run. we are open 7 days a week and I invite any of you reading this to stop in anytime you are in Phoenix. I am not there everyday but if you let me know you are coming I will attempt to be there.
I am usually only in rentals one day a week. We have a large fleet of late model Harleys and Arizona has some really great riding areas. If you are in the area without a bike give it a thought. Pete who is now our rentals manager is a great guy and will take good care of you if I am not there.
Thank you jmdaniel for the kind words, you are a good friend and the many miles we have ridden together have always been very enjoyable.
Just a couple of last comments. I do reply with a quote occasionally but I don't remember doing any cut and pasting on this forum. Also whenever I am at the museum or the dealership my 93,000 mile F6B is parked behind the building near the employee entrance.
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Again reading comprehension is a problem my statement was not that it doesn't meet EPA Standards but that iy was never meant to meet those standards which is the reason it has to run so extremely hot and doing the damage it was and still is doing to the interior parts of the motor. Just look at the teardowns of this motor, some after only 500 miles. "They'll never fix it" as I've said
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