2021 Road Glide vs. '13 F6B

[F6Dave]

That's the non-answer I was expecting!

You claimed the Milwaukee 8 engine 'was never meant to meet EPA standards'. That's big news! Surely it would have leaked out and be well known 5 years after the rollout. Did you just make that up to keep this conversation lively?

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True, because Harley is always open and honest with their customers. Like the throttle lag I had in my 2010 Street Glide that I actually took the dealer, which has since gone out of business (Miracle Mile), to court, and won, because they wouldn't admit there was a problem .Finally, I found a dealer in Pennsylvania who pinpointed the problem, software glitch. Or the deceleration death wobble on my buddies Ultra that the dealer denied repeatedly, despite him having video of it. Harley doesn't care as they know, no matter what there are gullible diner pirates out there who will never switch, even if they have to move the cats farther back so you don't literally fry your balls off. Just look at the teardown of these motors, some after 500 miles.

That's quite a post! It's sure to enhance your expert reputation. Your credibility slipped a bit a few months back when you told us Stellantis could upgrade a Jeep dashboard to leather for 50 cents.

[taxfree4]

I seem to remeber you saying the M8 would never meet EPA standards, now you are saying it does. You also said your buddies the "Harley technicians" were running tuners. With tuners they are able to change the fuel mapping and ignition timing and afterwards they are complaining about head temperatures.

You are right the facts don't care what anyone does full or part time and I haven't seen you present any facts, just your opinions which are contrary to the facts.

Let me refresh your selective memory the exact quote was "The Milwaukee 8 was a racing motor, never designed to deal with EPA restrictions, they'll never fix it." I would think that with your cut and paste talent you could have done that. Anyway, the fact is they're using it for racing, the fact is the motor you said is a racing motor they aren't. The mere fact they have to only a production motor with no additional enhancements tells me that Harley, not you, has enough confidence in that motor to race with it. The fact that it has to run at these extremely hot temperatures just to meet the EPA Standards, forget retuning AFTER you own it, they wanted to pull temps in trying to diagnose the problems that were occuring, we're talking out of the factory meeting the EPA requirements. Contrary to what fact, you have just cut and pasted specs, so what, my 5 year old grandson can do that

[taxfree4]

That's quite a post! It's sure to enhance your expert reputation. Your credibility slipped a bit a few months back when you told us Stellantis could upgrade a Jeep dashboard to leather for 50 cents.

You're another cheerleader that doesn't read posts, that wasn't the statement. Jeep, the manufacturer, would not go for the extra money to upgrade all dashboards to leather. The nuns were right it does ruin your eyes.

[taxfree4]

That's quite a post! It's sure to enhance your expert reputation. Your credibility slipped a bit a few months back when you told us Stellantis could upgrade a Jeep dashboard to leather for 50 cents.

Weren't you the guy with the bogus air filter test to bolster you being too cheap to go for the K&N.

[taxfree4]

He is the curator of this place, dude. He knows a thing or two about a thing or two, Harley related.

https://www.buddystubbshd.com/museum

That's not an endorsement but it explains his ability to cut and paste...lots of idle time

[Phantom]

Sometimes, you just have to laugh

[F6Dave]

You're another cheerleader that doesn't read posts, that wasn't the statement. Jeep, the manufacturer, would not go for the extra money to upgrade all dashboards to leather. The nuns were right it does ruin your eyes.

Your words:

in order to go from the standard dashboard to a leather dashboard on that vehicle it would have cost the manufacturer 50 cents more per vehicle...

Do you actually believe all the stuff you post? I'm genuinely curious.

And you might want to rethink the name calling. It doesn't prove any points, and I doubt it's winning you any friends.

[taxfree4]

Your words:


Do you actually believe all the stuff you post? I'm genuinely curious.

And you might want to rethink the name calling. It doesn't prove any points, and I doubt it's winning you any friends.

I'll take that as a yes you're the guy. Instead of surfing for porn you could find out for yourself or you can ask your librarian friend you're cheerleading for, or contact Fiat the parent company and unlike your bogus air filter posting it is a fact. As far as making friends, I have all the friends I need/want, however, searching forums to find friends...creepy, but I understand as your picture says a lot, you're all alone in that parking lot, do you need a friend. Guaranteed you green screened it.

[jmdaniel]

That's not an endorsement but it explains his ability to cut and paste...lots of idle time

Actually, it is an endorsement. I first met Dwight at the Cortez B rally, and have been riding with him annually ever since. He's a friend of mine, a damn good rider, and leads groups of other riders all over the western US. At least, when he's not busy as curator of the Harley museum at the oldest Harley dealership in Phoenix, or running their rental program. The only thing that annoys me about him is his encyclopedic memory of all the roads in CO, UT, NM, AZ, and other places. When he starts a conversation with, "Well, Jeff, certainly you know that you go down 121, and take a left on 35, for just a short bit, then look for the sign for that old hotel that burned down in the 70s; take a right just past that...", I just reply, "Sounds good, I'll be right behind you." That memory, as it pertains to Harley info, isn't cut and paste.

As far as you, there is a phrase used in Texas when coming across the human version of a bothersome gnat:

Bless Your Heart

Have a good one! Still running two different sets of foot pegs on your B at the same time? Still using the remnant of a plastic bucket for a side cover?

[Az Wingrider]

Sometimes, you just have to laugh

This has been a very entertaining thread. The allegation that the best selling motorcycle in the United States does not meet EPA regulations is very mind blowing. One of the perks of my job at the museum and the dealership is that when I get the urge to enjoy the Harley Experience I take one of the bikes from our rental fleet for a few days. I enjoy riding the new Harleys, they are good quality bikes and fun to ride, just not my cup of tea. I always enjoy returning to my "B". Harley Davidson has done something no other motorcycle manufacturer has been able to do. They not only sell a motorcycle, they have marketed a lifestyle.

Our museum not only has Harley Davidsons. We have 141 motorcycles from 35 different manufacturers and 17 different countries. All of our motorcycles, some of which are over 100 years old, run. we are open 7 days a week and I invite any of you reading this to stop in anytime you are in Phoenix. I am not there everyday but if you let me know you are coming I will attempt to be there.

I am usually only in rentals one day a week. We have a large fleet of late model Harleys and Arizona has some really great riding areas. If you are in the area without a bike give it a thought. Pete who is now our rentals manager is a great guy and will take good care of you if I am not there.

Thank you jmdaniel for the kind words, you are a good friend and the many miles we have ridden together have always been very enjoyable.

Just a couple of last comments. I do reply with a quote occasionally but I don't remember doing any cut and pasting on this forum. Also whenever I am at the museum or the dealership my 93,000 mile F6B is parked behind the building near the employee entrance.