I respectfully disagree, the height and position of the handle bars effect the overall control of the bike, minor adjustments are noticeable. So I would believe large changes would be very noticeable and beyond a certain amount would very negatively effect the handling. Just my .02Originally Posted by Steve 0080
True, but pushing on handle bars is still pushing on handle bars...
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Yes...but the ease of difficulty or relative ease, coupled with the angle of attack of the arms doing the pushing makes for vastly different mechanics.
We've all been in the situation where we couldn't get "enough leverage" to break torque on a bolt due to the angle between our forearm and the socket wrench.
Yes, pushing handlebars doesn't (shouldn't) require that much torque, but with apes or even low drag bars, the force applied is still at an angle to the desired movement of the handlebars and requires practice and muscle group repetition to master effectively.
And Steve, with your most excellent physique so prominently displayed elsewhere in these hallowed pages, you are probably exempt.....
Cheers.
Steve
Not to change the subject, but look at the photo montage of the scooter turning left in the wik. link I referenced in my earlier post. Notice what the front wheel does in initiating a left turn. This is the very reason that if you get too close to a curb, you can't get away from it, and you will crash. The front wheel has to actually turn towards the curb momentarily, to initiate motorcycle "lean" to get away from it. Maybe at slow speed you can weight transfer away from it, but if you are moving faster, prepare to crash.
Most of the time when I demo the box. I don't counterweight. Instead I use rear brake under power. Try it if you haven't. I use this technique in my real world riding.
I use that technique "real-world" also, but I'm also teaching the students to NOT use their brake whilst in a turn. One of my rider coaches was doing this in the box and when his brake lights came on, the students were all "Oh, oh, he is braking in a turn!"
Ensuing discussions of the physics of "power-on" rear wheel braking were not fruitful.
I do make a point of using the brake under power while demo-ing the clutch control lanes, usually accompanied by the story of using this technique to go slow enough AND be stable during the "Slow-speed-suspended-hot-dog-eating-contest."
Slow and controlled will get it every time.
Cheers,
Steve
HELL YES!!! That's what I been looking for!! Hook me up with some info!! I had apes on my previous bike and swore that I'd always have them...if you haven't ridden with them, they are AWESOME!!! Loved mine and couldn't believe there wasn't something similar for my wing! Those are the only thing I miss about my old bikes and would make my wing PERFECT! So how'd ya do it? Thanks!!
alright, enough suspense already!! How'd ya do it? Yes, I'm impatient...
I think it looks pretty cool. Well done
I think it's in the same category as mopeds and fat chicks
But right on, dude!
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