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    So all in all cutting to the chase. Sorry, for being long and drawn out but these experiences may help someone else. I have gone through the learning curve. There really is not much out there on audio upgrades to GLs except some J&M speakers.

    I chose to put the amp in the left saddlebag. The amp is small in size and does not take up any usable space. I think I am going to make a cover for it to hide the wires, but this is what I have right now. Please excuse the mess underneath as this photo was taken before I had cleaned up.

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    The location in the saddle bag allows me to tinker if I choose. Another guy has mounted the same amplifier in the fairing. So that is another option. This is how I did it. The amplifier comes with two ways to mount it. I chose to mount is with the supplied Velcro. It works and you have to really pry on the amp to remove it. I ran 10 awg stranded wire for the positive and negative wiring directly from the battery with a 30 amp inline fuse. As mentioned earlier, I ran speaker wires in protected split loom
    up to the front. The sound is much improved over the factory system. Everything works as intended.

    Now for the closing act:

    From the beginning, I panned to add a subwoofer or two to the saddlebags. I had different ideas of what and or how I wanted to do this. One plan was to add two 8" drivers inside each bag, with the drivers firing towards the rear wheel. This , I'm sure, would be very effective. It would've required some fiberglass work, which I don't have any real experience with, but was willing to try. Sat and watched many a tutorial on the subject. Another option was to decrease the size of the driver to use a 6.5" subwoofer. There are some really surprising speakers in this size range. In this size, I could have simply cut out a reinforcing baffle to secure in the proposed mounting locations. The idea is the same as with the 8" subs , but the 6.5 " size would allow them to be mounted without the fiberglass work.

    Then I thought of this.
    http://www.jlaudio.com/cp106lg-w3v3-...-systems-93300

    The idea of putting speaker in the inward side of the bags and essentially using the saddlebags as an enclosure would work, but ultimately would probably have required an additional amplifier . Using an enclosure designed for the specific characteristics of a particular driver, generally yields a more efficient use of power.
    So I ordered the micro sub. The thing is really small. It does take up a substantial amount of space in the left saddlebag because of the mentioned enclosure. There's maybe room left for a set of rain gear and set of gloves etc.... However, the sub is removed in about the same time it takes you to open up the saddlebag. With Banana plug speaker connections, you really simply just unplug the two speaker leads (pos and neg) and pull the box out. If I need the space for luggage, I can just leave it at home.

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    As of right now, I put a strip of Velcro that sticks to the carpet of the sub. This keeps the sub in place when cornering and such. A road trip yesterday confirmed this works. I may change that.

    The other part to the sub install was that those saddle bags are sealed for the most part. There has to be a way ,obviously to vent the bags for the bass to get out. cooldude After all, It's all about that bass, 'bout that bass right? 2funny
    I chose to drill in two places. I drilled many small holes in basically a circle pattern. I put one area facing the rear wheel and the other area is towards the front of the bags near where the battery sits.
    I used a product called Frogzskins to cover the holes. These come in many shapes and sizes and are designed for air intakes on snowmobiles and personal watercraft. The product is also used for speaker covers on some after market speaker options for Harley Saddle bags. That's how I first learned of the product when I was researching options for my Valkyrie.


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    Continued again.

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    The end result is
    Very happy and that little sub really kicks out some tremendous amount of bass. Hard to believe it's only a 6.5 " sub driver.
    I powered it with the rear channels of the new amp bridged for over 175 watts RMS to the sub.
    Very happy. I hope if anyone is interested in accomplishing similar results, that this experience will be helpful.

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    nuff said

    All of it above requires time , dedication , determination , some knowledge and additional investment . It's fine , if brings satisfaction , or even pride to it . Apparently that's the result of personal choice , but due to complicated process might not see to many , who wants to copy such a idea ( or maybe so ? ).

    For close interaction with sound , long time ago I decided to empower my helmets with much easier to install headphones , which gives me few other options , like switching radio to the phone , or initiate connection to passenger behind me . It allowes me to feel "private", without annoying bystanders , adjust the volume to ever changing surroundings or traffic disturbance .

    At present and to each of my helmets , I installed quality brand Sena SMH5 system , simple device able to connect me with : radio , mobil phone , GPS Navigation , MP3 player , iPod , USB Flash Drive and intercom . It doesn't take any space in my saddlebags , no needs to bastardize integrity of motorcycle and first of all - it provides not deformed on the way , crispy and premium sound .

    In final courtesy to many , I can avoid rude comments of those who do not speak other ( than English ) languages , those who do not understand sophisticated lyrics in the music , or even hate up-heard tunes. That's my understanding of "respect", which we always expect from others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limoles View Post
    All of it above requires time , dedication , determination , some knowledge and additional investment . It's fine , if brings satisfaction , or even pride to it . Apparently that's the result of personal choice , but due to complicated process might not see to many , who wants to copy such a idea ( or maybe so ? ).

    For close interaction with sound , long time ago I decided to empower my helmets with much easier to install headphones , which gives me few other options , like switching radio to the phone , or initiate connection to passenger behind me . It allowes me to feel "private", without annoying bystanders , adjust the volume to ever changing surroundings or traffic disturbance .

    At present and to each of my helmets , I installed quality brand Sena SMH5 system , simple device able to connect me with : radio , mobil phone , GPS Navigation , MP3 player , iPod , USB Flash Drive and intercom . It doesn't take any space in my saddlebags , no needs to bastardize integrity of motorcycle and first of all - it provides not deformed on the way , crispy and premium sound .

    In final courtesy to many , I can avoid rude comments of those who do not speak other ( than English ) languages , those who do not understand sophisticated lyrics in the music , or even hate up-heard tunes. That's my understanding of "respect", which we always expect from others.
    Uh, OK
    To each their own
    Everyone has their opinion.
    I have helmet speakers/ intercom bluetooth . My wife and I both have G9 headsets. Headset/helmet speakers do not not sound near as good. Maybe a good set of ear buds. I mean a good set will sound pretty nice, but I hate having that wire hooking me up. But even a good set of ear buds will not give the aural sensations that accompany the sound waves from kick drums and snare hits on a good system.
    The space in the bags. Well, that might be a real concern for some. It's in only one bag. Unless I am traveling somewhere for a couple days or more, I've got plenty of storage. That's why I went with the micro sub that is removed as quickly as it takes me to open the saddlebag.
    As far as bystanders, I have a volume control. And these bikes do have an auto volume control.
    As far as bastardizing? That was your word right? I sure hope you have not added or changed anything on your bike.
    Was it necessary to do any of the above? No It could be argued very well that these bikes are not necessary. Everything on this forum is superfluous.
    With all respect, everyone has their own opinion, but yours comes across a little condescending. The post was shared because I have answered many PMs and have also been in correspondence through e-mails regarding interests. This post endeavored to chronicle some of the paths I went through in accomplishing the goal. Is it for everyone? I'm sure it is not.

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    Hey Jimmy,

    Thanks for the post! I am sure others with similar interests will find the information useful.
    Regardless of what others may think keep it up.

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkelley View Post
    Hey Jimmy,

    Thanks for the post! I am sure others with similar interests will find the information useful.
    Regardless of what others may think keep it up.

    Jim
    Thanks. That was my intention. If someone wants to look at similar upgrades, maybe this info can help in that pursuit. I really don't need anyone to list why they wouldn't do it. Constructive criticism or ideas sure.

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    Jimmytee--I wanted to add my thanks and appreciation for the info you've provided so far. I find it very interesting. At any rate, it's obvious how much time you've spent exploring this and attempting to share it so again, thanks !
    Ken (Hornblower)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmytee View Post
    Uh, OK
    To each their own
    Everyone has their opinion.
    I have helmet speakers/ intercom bluetooth . My wife and I both have G9 headsets. Headset/helmet speakers do not not sound near as good. Maybe a good set of ear buds. I mean a good set will sound pretty nice, but I hate having that wire hooking me up. But even a good set of ear buds will not give the aural sensations that accompany the sound waves from kick drums and snare hits on a good system.
    The space in the bags. Well, that might be a real concern for some. It's in only one bag. Unless I am traveling somewhere for a couple days or more, I've got plenty of storage. That's why I went with the micro sub that is removed as quickly as it takes me to open the saddlebag.
    As far as bystanders, I have a volume control. And these bikes do have an auto volume control.
    As far as bastardizing? That was your word right? I sure hope you have not added or changed anything on your bike.
    Was it necessary to do any of the above? No It could be argued very well that these bikes are not necessary. Everything on this forum is superfluous.
    With all respect, everyone has their own opinion, but yours comes across a little condescending. The post was shared because I have answered many PMs and have also been in correspondence through e-mails regarding interests. This post endeavored to chronicle some of the paths I went through in accomplishing the goal. Is it for everyone? I'm sure it is not.
    I have somewhat of the same setup.

    Kicker - Hideaway 8" in the saddle bag,
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kicker-h...&skuId=3526208
    I drilled a piece of wood to the inside if the bag and velcro the sub to the wood. I used the kit that came with the sub.


    Kicker - CS44 4" on top of the bags with a Rockford Fosgate Power T400x2,
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kicker-c...&skuId=9065274

    I also used the Frogzskins Square, 6" x 6". I opened the back part of the bags. under the tail lights.

    Stock front speakers.

    **Pictures coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ TONY G View Post
    I have somewhat of the same setup.

    Kicker - Hideaway 8" in the saddle bag,
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kicker-h...&skuId=3526208
    I drilled a piece of wood to the inside if the bag and velcro the sub to the wood. I used the kit that came with the sub.


    Kicker - CS44 4" on top of the bags with a Rockford Fosgate Power T400x2,
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/kicker-c...&skuId=9065274

    I also used the Frogzskins Square, 6" x 6". I opened the back part of the bags. under the tail lights.

    Stock front speakers.

    **Pictures coming soon.
    So you gonna show us some pics? Would like to see what you did.

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    Great Work, Jimmy! Always impressive for me to see what is possible, if you've got the skills!
    Always a good and safe ride,
    Karim

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