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    Quote Originally Posted by Limoles View Post

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    There is only way to reverse this situation - we need more responsible LEADERS , who will serve us , not themselves .
    Did I say we have a sick, twisted, and broken system? Here's a good example...

    We do in fact have GOOD, HONEST, and SMART people with enough integrity and altruism to make this a better country. But elected offices have become so COVETED by the powers seeking to maintain political control that, if you don't agree or kowtow to them, they will DESTROY you. This keeps the people who can actually fix problems on the sidelines, and the only fools running for office are the fools that we see there today.

    Further, journalism has become a mockery of what it once was and instead of simply reporting events factually as they occur, they now interject themselves into stories and add bias, untruths, and inaccuracies... they have become tools of the political machine and make it easy for good people to be fearful of running for office.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigbird View Post
    I have a cousin who lives in California, Santa Monica to be exact. He was born a US citizen. Every time I talk to him, he goes on a tirade about the ineptness and disconnection of local, state, and federal gov't from the citizenry who elected them.

    You can't please all of the people all of the time, but I can say the vast majority of our laws make sense and are well thought out. When I think of the inconsistencies with your legal and penal system, it's no wonder that your prisons are overflowing from some bizarre sentences for some really petty crimes.

    I have to comment on two issues that really separate your country from ours. They involve rights and freedoms. One, as I've beaten to death, is the handgun thing. In reality, an outright ban on handguns is pie in the sky. I don't think the citizenry or legal system would let it happen. It's part of your heritage and makeup.

    The other is your freedom and rights on the road. It is totally bizarre to me in that some parts of the US you can actually consume alcoholic beverages while driving, as long as you are not at or over predefined blood-alcohol limits. If that doesn't encourage impaired driving, then allowing distracted driving (mobile phone use) certainly does. In Canada, it is illegal to consume alcoholic beverages while driving, and illegal to talk and or text with handheld devices while driving. Hands free devices are allowed.
    How your citizenry can let those abuses of common sense continue to happen totally blows me away.
    I see one cause of your legal and penal systems being so messed up being election of those officials. To me it's weird that a sheriff or police chief or warden would be elected by the masses. What the hell do you or I know about the requirements of law enforcement, unless you are an expert in that field? Electing those officials only opens up the system to corruption. Our police chiefs are hired through processes similar to private corporations; interviews, background checks, references, with some public input from non partisan citizen board members. The experts look after those responsibilities, not the masses. They are all accountable.

    Canada is certainly not perfect and certainly not a better country than the US. It is only different.
    For the most part, states are free to govern themselves... and this is both a blessing and a curse. Many people have crossed state lines without understanding the carry laws of that state... and have been arrested, convicted, and sentenced to long prison terms for doing nothing more than what is perfectly legal in their home state. This is happening to decent law-abiding people. This is the unwise and ineffective creation of too many gun laws. We need coherency and consistency but that can only happen with a Federal law... and having these fools in office create far-reaching, sweeping new laws scares the bejeebers outta me.

    I don't have an answer to all the problems... except to say that supporting and encouraging the fools currently running the madhouse is not it.

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    Yes indeed - It is a battle between right and wrong . For that reason, we desperately need to be active and stand on principles of our Constitution . Otherwise, we abdicate power to those whose ideas are entirely destructive.

    What about voting for INDEPENDENT candidates ? Are we afraid of NEEDED REFORMS ? Only WE can brake habitual and senseless tradition , which uphold rusted and corrupted system .

    At least give them chances ! I don't buy argument - "It will never happened" . IT MUST HAPPENED !

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    CNN is simple propagandistic social engineering in it's most blatant, exploitive and fear mongering form. I wouldn't quote their hysteria whipping, disempowering tripe for anything even if it's pseudo news. Arms are not the problem, a culture of extreme violence inflamed by media interests is. I hate to even reply to posts like this since I'm here to forget about the garbage that passes for contemporary society at least for a few minutes, but well this got my goat since it's precisely the sort of sensationalism that justifies eviscerating the Constitution. While I prefer to think of myself as a left wing, socialist, commie Democrat, even I have my limits beyond which my gullibility is exhausted and the anti gun movement with its covert agenda of obliterating the right to bear arms has more to do with disarming America than rendering it a safer more civilized society.
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    CNN lost me when they kept Fareed Zakaria after he was busted for plagiarism.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Brian Williams becomes a CNN "analyst" now.

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    Bad, Bad CONCEALED PERMIT HOLDER !!!! Stopping that guy from committing mass murder .....

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ng-in-chicago/

    On Friday, an Uber driver with a concealed carry permit thwarted an attempted mass shooting by pulling his own weapon and shooting a gunman who had opened fire in Chicago’s Logan Square.

    Illinois Assistant State’s Attorney Barry Quinn verified that the driver “had a concealed-carry permit and acted in the defense of himself and others.”

    According to the Chicago Tribune, the driver was watching “a group of people” walk in front of his car on North Milwaukee Avenue just before midnight when 22-year-old Everardo Custodio allegedly “began firing into the crowd.” The Uber driver pulled his own gun and “fired six shots at Custodio,” wounding him in “the shin, thigh, and lower back.”

    The attempted mass shooting ended with no one other Custodio injured.

    The Chicago Sun Times reported that the Uber driver had dropped off a passenger minutes before Custodio allegedly began shooting. The Times contacted Uber about the incident and they simply said “the company requires all its drivers to abide by local, state and federal laws pertaining to transporting firearms in vehicles.”

    Breitbart News previously reported on a March 22 incident in which a concealed carry permit holder entered a Philadelphia barbershop to stop an attempted mass shooting in progress.

    In that inciden,t a 40-year-old man began randomly firing at patrons inside the barbershop and was stopped when the concealed carry permit holder heard gunfire, ran into the shop, and shot the would-be mass shooter in the chest, killing him. No one else was harmed.

    Follow AWR Hawkins on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.

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