George - I really enjoy your intelligence , your posted sentences , which are kind , persuasive and written in pure , eloquent English . I also learn from you and for benefits of my technical skills too. I might never reach your level , but trying is the best , what I can do . The answer to your questions is difficult , because not many responders participate in our debate . Looks , like after reading some ranted and vulgar posts , they are afraid to be categorized and judged by few "self proclaimed leaders of debate" , who destroying the beauty of differently provided forms of thinking. If you really want to know , who believe , or who doesn't of "whatever" it might be , let's open new thread , where one can anonymously vote for multiple issues , related to "peace and war" . Similarly to "what ages" , or "types of chosen exhaust systems" , etc. It will be fair and extremely educational . We all are different with various mind set up , but we need to accept each other , no matter what the presentations of our world's view is . I'll be the first , who will vote for unconditional peace and tolerance between people ( incl. family members ), countries , races , faith and believes . I did the same for provocative , but very smart question posted by BigBird . You can recall the thunderstorms and fire , which still didn't change my "awareness" to the evident and cultural threats of many , who still mandate taking "patriotic responsibilities" with guns , which presumedly is giving them some assurance of "safety" . So , let's ask some of our Moderators , or PoopScooper to set suitable composition of the questions from above .