I think I want a F6B, convince me.

[srt8-in-largo]

Interesting posts on those links. Doesn't sound like a well thought out or a well made system.

Keyfobs use EXACTLY the same wireless transmission technology as TPMS in your tires. The batteries in those things can EASILY be made to last 5 to 10 years; I didn't read too deeply but if these guys are having dead batteries after only a year or two... that's just not cool.

[racer]

And it is typically not an issue if you set a PIN and remember it correctly if the FOB dies.

But if you don't...

[chipmaker]

So you will blame the bike for a stupid rider? Like I said, BS, my PIN is set...

And quoting a 6 year old post, too funny...

[Brian D]

Interesting posts on those links. Doesn't sound like a well thought out or a well made system.

Keyfobs use EXACTLY the same wireless transmission technology as TPMS in your tires. The batteries in those things can EASILY be made to last 5 to 10 years; I didn't read too deeply but if these guys are having dead batteries after only a year or two... that's just not cool.

Those batteries are made to last BUT so I've been told that if those fobs hang around your cell phone they can pre mature die. My Camry has push button start with a wireless fob and so does my wife's altima. I have had to change the batteries a few times

[BuzzzPhotos]

Does the flat 6 generate a lot of heat. On hot days with the Harley you not only get the heat from the day but the engine heat rises up making it twice as bad.

I wore shorts yesterday but the pavement wasn't hot. The most heat comes up from blacktop or cement. Would take a miracle design change to get me back on a Harley.

[tozco]

Shorts on a motorcycle?

[flat6bagger]

Shorts on a motorcycle?

I was wondering about that same exact thing.
I don't even do that when I am riding in our small town.

Doug

[ths61]

I was wondering about that same exact thing.
I don't even do that when I am riding in our small town.

Doug

I was up at 3 Rivers for a few day trip when I saw a guy roll up on a wing wearing shorts, t-shirt and flip flops. Might as well been riding barefoot. For some reason, ground beef came to mind.

[opas ride]

I wore shorts yesterday but the pavement wasn't hot. The most heat comes up from blacktop or cement. Would take a miracle design change to get me back on a Harley.

Your just asking for a good case of pavement rash my friend riding a large motorcycle with shorts on....A few years back I got stung by a bee right in my crotch riding with shorts, and as I am allergic to bee-stings, I almost did not make it home...If you want to hear some other negative reasons, ask those that work in Emergency rooms in hospitals...My son-in-law, who also rides, is a Supervisor in an Emergency room in Oklahoma and he will be more than willing to share his horror stories with you....Please be careful and ride safe.....

[srt8-in-largo]

Those batteries are made to last BUT so I've been told that if those fobs hang around your cell phone they can pre mature die. My Camry has push button start with a wireless fob and so does my wife's altima. I have had to change the batteries a few times

Idk about that Brian; you'd have to explain that one to me.

The batteries are what they are from the battery vendor. The problem as I see it with key fobs or TPMS sensors that don't last long is either they cheaped out and are using low mAhr batteries, or they designed the form factor too small to use the *slightly* larger high mAhr batteries. The 25 mm coin cells can now be had in 1,000 mAhr versions; look up the part number on your battery and find the spec for it. If Toyota or Nissan are using lesser batteries, they didn't do you any favors.

Battery rating is only half of the equation; power draw of the circuit is the other half. These circuits spend most of their time in sleep mode in which case the current draw should be well down into the single digit microAmp range for an IC using modern technology. A 1,000 mAhr battery could drive this usage continually for literally 20 or 30 years. The big power draw occurs during signal transmission where current draw can jump to 50 to 200 milliAmp, again depending on the technology of the IC's.

So, for the battery in a fob to get drained prematurely, it must be transmitting quite frequently. The transmissions can ONLY occur in one of three ways: 1) the software is programmed to transmit at a fixed interval; as in the case of TPMS sensors, 2) a standard 125 kHz low frequency comm device has been incorporated and it received a transmission instruction from a diagnostic tool; as in the case of what shops use to test TPMS, or 3) a button is pressed; as in the case of most key fobs.

There's nothing a cell phone can do to cause a key fob to transmit, other than pressing against a button in your pocket. Cell phones transmit in the GHz range and there's no POSSIBLE way to interfere with the 125 kHz circuit... and even if it did, there are safeguards in the software to minimize interference; certain signal patterns have to be recognized before a device will accept an instruction as valid, otherwise the signal and instruction are ignored.