Agreed. I'm pretty sure that we've seen enough posts with the word Liar. If we can't express another point of view or an opinion without making it personal, then maybe the winning value of this forum has been lost. It seems that the forum has deteriorated to mostly off-topic discussions regarding politics and disparaging others/ groups that are different rather focusing on the bikes. It was nice that this forum was not like Facebook, but that got lost somewhere. My best to all, and good bye.